Templar sustain help

SugaComa

Please make Radiant Aura work as a "when slotted on either bar" and give it a straight percentage increase so it will stack to improve templar's sustain

Tyrant_Tim

It’s getting the either bar treatment next update, and I agree it’s not enough to make the skill worth slotting.

Necrotech_Master

usually my templar sustain is fine between the resource restore from the rune + pots + the cp that restores resources on kill (the cp is more useful for soloing and less useful for group play)

Zodiarkslayer

Templar sustain is fine. I never have a problem. In some fights, I do not even have to pop a potion.

You generally use two or three abilities of the off ressource. And since the best Templar setup is Dualwield frontbar either way, you have a situation where you can finetune how much stamina and magicka you use.

However Stamplar has the disadvantage in content, where when you have to dodge and break free a lot, the stam pool is empty pretty quickly. Especially if they use TwoHander over Bow backbar.

boi_anachronism_

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Templar sustain is fine. I never have a problem. In some fights, I do not even have to pop a potion.

You generally use two or three abilities of the off ressource. And since the best Templar setup is Dualwield frontbar either way, you have a situation where you can finetune how much stamina and magicka you use.

However Stamplar has the disadvantage in content, where when you have to dodge and break free a lot, the stam pool is empty pretty quickly. Especially if they use TwoHander over Bow backbar.

This is pretty content specific. In 4 man it may be more of an issue, in raids where you have 2 healers ive never had an issue.

Billium813

I do have some mag sustain issues on Tank (Having to cast Radiant Ward and Extended Ritual multiple times, plus Living Dark). However, it's usually nothing that 1-2 FC HAs can't solve.

I run Bosmer on my Stamplar, so my stam sustain is usually pretty good. Repentance as well is a hell of a drug in most situations.

disintegr8

I run magplar (DPS and Healer) and stamplar (DPS) without any sustain issues.

Zodiarkslayer

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

This is pretty content specific. In 4 man it may be more of an issue, in raids where you have 2 healers ive never had an issue.

I do not raid anymore. My statement derives from experience in 4 man and SOLO content.

SugaComa

My sustain is fine solo, turns to *** on groups though, where does it say it's getting the two bar treatment next update, I must have missed that ?

Tyrant_Tim

SugaComa wrote: »

My sustain is fine solo, turns to *** on groups though, where does it say it's getting the two bar treatment next update, I must have missed that ?

It’s the first week of U40 PTS…

boi_anachronism_

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

This is pretty content specific. In 4 man it may be more of an issue, in raids where you have 2 healers ive never had an issue.

I do not raid anymore. My statement derives from experience in 4 man and SOLO content.

I cant say i have issues there either tbh. I do all pve content, solo wbs, 4man, and 12man. Id have to have a better idea of your set up to know whats happening. You do got to remember that set ups for solo vs 4man are still a bit different from eachother.

Tyrant_Tim

@boi_anachronism_, it’s been proven time and again, that you need to do potion swaps on Templar mid-parse if you want a good one.

A seasoned veteran of ESO won’t have a massive problem doing that while keeping their rotation, but other classes don’t have that problem, and that’s indicative of a problem with sustain on Templar.

This is why we have two lines for Templar this patch trying to address it, with the change to Glory, StamPlar won’t need to slot Magicka potions in execute now.

Now, Restoring Aura’s change isn’t anywhere near enough to make it competitive to other class support skills that provide those Minor Resources, just look at Refreshing Path, it’s an AoE heal that gives both Mag and Stam recovery with an addition Major Expedition. Night and day difference.

boi_anachronism_

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

@boi_anachronism_, it’s been proven time and again, that you need to do potion swaps on Templar mid-parse if you want a good one.

A seasoned veteran of ESO won’t have a massive problem doing that while keeping their rotation, but other classes don’t have that problem, and that’s indicative of a problem with sustain on Templar.

This is why we have two lines for Templar this patch trying to address it, with the change to Glory, StamPlar won’t need to slot Magicka potions in execute now.

Now, Restoring Aura’s change isn’t anywhere near enough to make it competitive to other class support skills that provide those Minor Resources, just look at Refreshing Path, it’s an AoE heal that gives both Mag and Stam recovery with an addition Major Expedition. Night and day difference.

Your pc i assume. Console doesnt have things like key bind. Swappng pots mid parse is simply not viable. My guildmate posted a 127k parse and they are using mag pots for all of it. Id say thats a pretty good parse for temp. So no you dont need to swap to get a good parse. I'll post it if you like.

Zodiarkslayer

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

@boi_anachronism_, it’s been proven time and again, that you need to do potion swaps on Templar mid-parse if you want a good one.

Reminds me of Game of Thrones:
" ... It is known ... "

I agree on this however.

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

... Now, Restoring Aura’s change isn’t anywhere near enough to make it competitive to other class support skills that provide those Minor Resources ...

The additional gain is what, 200 of the main recovery? 100 of the other?
That's maybe enough for a 20s sticky DoT? But guess what? You just lost the bar slot to equip the ability.

boi_anachronism_

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

@boi_anachronism_, it’s been proven time and again, that you need to do potion swaps on Templar mid-parse if you want a good one.

Reminds me of Game of Thrones:
" ... It is known ... "

I agree on this however.

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

... Now, Restoring Aura’s change isn’t anywhere near enough to make it competitive to other class support skills that provide those Minor Resources ...

The additional gain is what, 200 of the main recovery? 100 of the other?
That's maybe enough for a 20s sticky DoT? But guess what? You just lost the bar slot to equip the ability.

I mean.. a good parse? What are we talking here because top dps is what 133k? As i mentioned swapping isnt a thing for temps on console and 127k is an excellent parse without making use of swapping so i honestly dont see the argument. There is also a stamplar parse, again from one of my guildmates on console at 130k. I can again post if you like. You absolutely can get a fantastic parse without it, we have to be able to sustain without it..Sure it would be nice to have more sustain. The balance is extremely careful. Drop carve one time and its over but the fact remains you can absolutely manage without.

Turtle_Bot

Never had an issue on my stamplar DPS tbh, yes repentance is crazy good sustain and healing.

I could see maybe vAS where there aren't many adds, which limits repentance and the restore on kill CP a bit, but 99% of content has plenty of adds to get value out of those.

SugaComa

For those like me who have arthritis and struggle to get a high DPS so rely on a one bar oakensoul build, making this skill a back bar passive will be of great benefit to us .

Zodiarkslayer

SugaComa wrote: »

For those like me who have arthritis and struggle to get a high DPS so rely on a one bar oakensoul build, making this skill a back bar passive will be of great benefit to us .

Minor Endurance, Intellect and Fortitude are already part of Oakensoul. Using Radiant Aura does absolutely nothing for you.

Besides, I am pretty sure, that after StamSorcs tried that trick with Bound Armaments, the Devs will not allow this kind of exploit for any other class.

SugaComa

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

For those like me who have arthritis and struggle to get a high DPS so rely on a one bar oakensoul build, making this skill a back bar passive will be of great benefit to us .

Minor Endurance, Intellect and Fortitude are already part of Oakensoul. Using Radiant Aura does absolutely nothing for you.

Besides, I am pretty sure, that after StamSorcs tried that trick with Bound Armaments, the Devs will not allow this kind of exploit for any other class.

Yes, true, but I won't to be able to move away from oakensoul so I can have a little bit more varied gameplay, this would allow that to happen so many mythics out there I can't really try because of the reliance on oakensoul

Zama666

ok, a little help here

"Champion the cause of divine glory to apply Minor Endurance, Minor Fortitude, and Minor Intellect to nearby group members for 20 seconds, increasing Health, Magicka, and Stamina Recovery by 15%. While slotted on either bar you gain these effects. "

does that mean it is always on? Or do I have to activate it?
Then it activates for 20 seconds until i click it again - no cost? No cool down?

how do I not know this?

Z

Billium813

Zama666 wrote: »

ok, a little help here

"Champion the cause of divine glory to apply Minor Endurance, Minor Fortitude, and Minor Intellect to nearby group members for 20 seconds, increasing Health, Magicka, and Stamina Recovery by 15%. While slotted on either bar you gain these effects. "

does that mean it is always on? Or do I have to activate it?
Then it activates for 20 seconds until i click it again - no cost? No cool down?

how do I not know this?

Z

Templar

• Restoring Light
  • Restoring Aura: This ability and its morphs’ passive slotted bonuses now persist through bar swap.

As of Update 40, Restoring Aura now is active on all bars. So, while slotted, you have Minor Endurance, Minor Fortitude, and Minor Intellect at all times, regardless of bar swapping. In order to give these buffs to group members, you active it. It has no cost, but Radiant Aura lasts 1 minute.

It's ok. Unfortunately, Warden and Arcanist does this better and these Minor buffs are relatively common. Being free actually ruins the power budget since I'd rather pay some Magicka AND give Minor Courage. Restoring Aura doesn't even work with any of the Restoring Light passives. The Repentance morph is pretty good tho on Stamplar

Zodiarkslayer

You can use it on a MagPlar to replenish your Stam pool.
Especially if you have to run through lengthy dungeons that can be pretty helpful.