I play as a Bosmer Sorceror, so racials aren't really a factor for me so far. Although once I hit 15 that one that's automatically opened up (the improve faster with this skill line one) may make me use bows as my off hand weapon.
jhaak714_ESO wrote: »Um =/
So they're the same but one elf goes all primal.... and thus is less magically inclined... which has been the main portrayal of the dunmer as I've seen in past games.
Also, most of the Telvani mages are power gaming and breaking all kinds of rules (necromancy to extend their lives and all sorts of broken crap). Those guys just don't play by the rules.
jhaak714_ESO wrote: »TBH i'd suggest rerolling to a dunmer dragon knight and focus on the fire based spells...
rather than argue for changing racials to conform to your idea of a super power wizard. Especially since Sorc is almost entirely untyped magic or lightning damage based with it's spells.
To the OP:
I too have that little voice in the back of my head, but I chose to ignore it and I suggest you do too. Play what makes you happy, I've got a Bosmer Templar Healer running around. Make your own choice you don't have to be inside the box
The_Sadist wrote: »To the OP:
I too have that little voice in the back of my head, but I chose to ignore it and I suggest you do too. Play what makes you happy, I've got a Bosmer Templar Healer running around. Make your own choice you don't have to be inside the box
I can ignore it for the most part, it's just seeing the hordes of Altmer Sorcerers with their superior racials makes me sad, if I had Bretons racials I'd be incredibly happy but alas that's not the case!
I'll soldier on for sure, I'm just hoping someone from the company sees my suggestions / frustrations and perhaps takes an idea on board, wishful thinking I know.
One-Winged wrote: »Man, you complain about people who choose Altmer Sorcerers, because of their "superior racial" (for mages only that is) and yet you want the race you picked to be on par with them... Let me tell you, you can't have the "best suited" race for your gameplay be the same as the "more-appealing-to-you" race, in this case. Every race has it's own situational advantages. There are even other lots of passives to take in account such as class lines, armor and guilds.... and yet you think Altmer sorcerers are "superior" for their racials...
If this troubles you so much and you truly want to be the overpowered-imba mage, then I suggest you roll the race you fell more adequate to your playstyle. But coming here and asking to get the race you want have the same advantages as another race is preposterous.
Kyubi_3002b16_ESO wrote: »Khajiit spellcaster... so take a guess DERP o_O
Well im a nightblade spellcaster but still do i look like i care about my racials XD
The_Sadist wrote: »For the most part each race is indeed relatively unique in terms of racials.. The issue is some races obviously outshine others in this department.
The_Sadist wrote: »Sure there are a lot of passives, class lines, armour and guilds.. which are available to everyone, unlike racials (strictly if you select a class, you're limited to their racials)
The_Sadist wrote: »I could do that and I might but for the time being I'm happy to sit back and complain about it.. because who knows? Things might change.
I can come here and say what I please as long as it's not offensive. I have people agreeing with me and some disagreeing, claiming in prior games the Dunmer were a balanced medium in terms of melee / mage combat and that both Breton and Altmer should have these superior mage passives if only for lore sake.
darkangelraivyn wrote: »You all do realize that Dunmer were cursed Chimer not Altmer...Altmer were not the ones cursed. So technically your arguments are a tiny bit invalid. Make sure your facts are straight before you start blasting racials. It's true that Dunmer were not purely magicka-based. I always saw them as hybridized battlemages with a minor basis in magicka. It's how I always played them anyway.
darkangelraivyn wrote: »Besides...racials are meant to help you specialize more if you choose to, not force you to do one thing very good. It adds flavor but you can ignore it to make things challenging. And if I could have clarification on something I saw that makes me worry about my choice, not that I would change it...If I make a Dunmer Dragonknight, does that mean I do not get bonus to the fire abilities from Ardent Flame from racials?
The_Sadist wrote: »I made a thread about Dunmer v Altmer in relation to the Sorcerer class on a different forum and while I’m enjoying my Dunmer and plan on sticking with him the little voice in the back of my head is going crazy.
Why are the racials so different?
Altmer are the ‘purer’ elves, Dunmer were cursed and had their appearance changed and the Breton are half elves.. Surely the Breton should get the more hybrid end of the stick. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not asking for nerfs, but I think a buff may be in order.
Currently everyone and their mums are rolling Altmer when it comes to Sorcerer.. I’ve seen a few people like myself who went a different route for personal enjoyment but are still bothered due to these bloody racials. The fact the majority are flocking to a particular race due to their racials alone is sort of evidence within itself (yes I know some people went due to lore etc etc)
I don’t know what I’m asking for, the 9% v 10% magicka bonus is fine, the high fire damage increase v the moderate shock/fire/frost increase is also fine, being a fire specialist is rad EDIT: I found out that the high fire damage is only for spells and not a general damage increase, so in this sense we're extremely inferior given how our racial doesn't have an impact on staff spells… My issue is this, Altmer get the 9% bonuses to regeneration while in combat, Breton get reduced costs and Dunmer get… some extra stamina? That’s awesome for some but for the most case irrelevant. That 9% regeneration eats away at me.. even if it’s only like an extra 30 magicka or something.
Like I said, I don’t know what I’m trying to say here, just a little bit frustrated and it seemed sort of relevant.
One-Winged wrote: »And why's that an issue? We do both agree that races have situational advantages, such as Bretons and Altmer being more caster-oriented. But did you see any Altmer or Breton melee complaining that they lack the Stamina regen of Redguards or the Robust of the Orcs?
One-Winged wrote: »We both agree that some races are superior in a certain department as others. The difference is that you think this plays a major role to the point that a race "outshines" another race, because of it and I just think that it's a slight improvement and makes no overall impact.
One-Winged wrote: »I meant that, because in order to receive the benefits of a racial, you need to invest skill points in it. In order to be able to invest skill points in it, you need to level that skill line. This also applies to the racial skill line, where until level 20, for example, you will only be able to invest around 3 skill points in it. This is because you gain experience towards the racial skill along with your character's level. Therefore, racial skills won't even play a major role until late in the game and you will find useful (if not the only available option at the moment) to invest skill points in other skill lines.
One-Winged wrote: »Of course. Noone's taking your privilege of voicing your opinion. And you will for sure find people who think the same as you, as you will find people like me disagreeing with you.
As a side note, in my opinion Dunmer is balanced to be either melee/mage in this game, likely like in previous ES titles.
The_Sadist wrote: »Why is that an issue indeed, it isn't in all honesty, it's very much just personal bias and I suppose frustration. I agree, I don't see Altmer or Breton complaining, typically because those two classes are caster-oriented so people don't select them when going for a more melee based class.
Yes and no, there are a select few races which are good for a caster class, a more melee type class and for ranged DPS, the remaining lot are overlooked or ignored because they aren't really on par racial wise. Why go an Argonian anything when there's something better? But ultimately the racials are minimal.. I'm just a little bit of a perfectionist.
The_Sadist wrote: »The way you worded it wasn't exactly pleasant, I had to restrain myself from posting facetious.
I'm all for debate, that's why I'm here!
They are indeed quite balanced, they could use an adjustment (looking at you flame talent) but they do seem 'okay'. Like I said, just a Sorcerer who spent too much time getting into house Telvanni lore back in the day.
Haha, yea I rolled a Dunmer Sorc as well. To tell you the truth I disagree with a buff. I knew what I was rolling when I created the character. and now I have a Deadric sorcerer in medium armour with duel wield skill points. Its encouraged me to rethink the way I played the typical mage characters in WoW ect. and I am super excited about the way my character is turning out.
That being said, in 30 levels I may discover that I have made the most broken character ever haha, but I am enjoying it for now.
Orc Sorcerer, checking in.
Corpsecall wrote: »Nord is best. Best is Nord.
One-Winged wrote: »I was looking meanwhile to know how Spell Power works, in general (since we were discussing how the Flame Talent worked) and it turns out that the attribute points spent in Magicka play a role on the Spell Power output.
For more info, look this.
One-Winged wrote: »As I previously said, I'm an Altmer tank DK, but that's just an example. You see, people select races for many reasons. Some do it, because they want the race to match their class more adequately, while others do it for lore reasons. In this sense, "better" or "worse" are just comparative terms depending from which perspective you look at it.
I think you look at it, in order to get the most benefits out of every resource you might have. Indeed a perfectionist, as you say. Having said that, you might have chosen the wrong race then . Unless you can balance your feelings towards the lore behind the class to equal the inner voice saying that your race is not competent enough against others (which is not true, anyway), that is.
One-Winged wrote: »Although I'm a bit of a clown myself, I didn't mean to sound offensive in any way, lol. Language barriers, my friend, language barriers.
I'm not quite sure what the Flame talent ignores, but I agree that the Flame talent should apply to anything fire related, such as weapon enchantments and skills, and spells, etc. It would be much more appealing. If it does ignore anything, then I give you all the rights to complaint about it and I will support your cause.
The_Sadist wrote: »I made a thread about Dunmer v Altmer in relation to the Sorcerer class on a different forum and while I’m enjoying my Dunmer and plan on sticking with him the little voice in the back of my head is going crazy.
Why are the racials so different?
Altmer are the ‘purer’ elves, Dunmer were cursed and had their appearance changed and the Breton are half elves.. Surely the Breton should get the more hybrid end of the stick. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not asking for nerfs, but I think a buff may be in order.
Currently everyone and their mums are rolling Altmer when it comes to Sorcerer.. I’ve seen a few people like myself who went a different route for personal enjoyment but are still bothered due to these bloody racials. The fact the majority are flocking to a particular race due to their racials alone is sort of evidence within itself (yes I know some people went due to lore etc etc)
I don’t know what I’m asking for, the 9% v 10% magicka bonus is fine, the high fire damage increase v the moderate shock/fire/frost increase is also fine, being a fire specialist is rad EDIT: I found out that the high fire damage is only for spells and not a general damage increase, so in this sense we're extremely inferior given how our racial doesn't have an impact on staff spells… My issue is this, Altmer get the 9% bonuses to regeneration while in combat, Breton get reduced costs and Dunmer get… some extra stamina? That’s awesome for some but for the most case irrelevant. That 9% regeneration eats away at me.. even if it’s only like an extra 30 magicka or something.
Like I said, I don’t know what I’m trying to say here, just a little bit frustrated and it seemed sort of relevant.
The Dunmer are really good for making a Dragonknight because of the fire bonus damage and getting buffs to both magic and stamina.