NBs excluded from Crown Store ?

SeaGtGruff

The Crown Store operates by player account, not by individual characters, so it is inaccurate to suggest that a given character class is "excluded" from the Crown Store for this or any other reason.

I think the glow looks cool on my Nightblade's Ashlander Battle Axe, although I have no preference as to whether it's there all the time or only when Grim Focus is fully charged.

wazzz56

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

wazzz56 wrote: »

I have 9 nbs.....the perma glow is not a big deal imho.......certainly not as big of a deal as some people are making it.

Do any of your nightblades use 20€ weapon packs from the crownstore which they can't use anymore because the permanent glow covers the purchased weapon effect? And do you engage in content where a minimum requirement for damage is set and the spell grim focus is a must have for nightblades?

Zos is forcing me to decide wether or not I want to see my 20€ fall into the abyss or become unable to engage into the content. It's "Eat up, customer" and be happy about a glitched out weapon effect which serves no purpose unlike its predecessor.

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yes, most of them use some sort of cosmetic on their weapons, including ones I have paid for. And yes I engage in content where grim/spectral is required (which is pretty much any thing with a nb imho, because it is their best skill again imo) It does not bother me, I just don't notice it tbh. But I do get that different things are more important to different people...but like I said..In my opinion, it is not a big deal....

the1andonlyskwex

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Nothing is preventing you from using those weapons except you.

Nope, pretty sure it's Zos preventing me from using them. My eyes are still working. That's not what it looked like when I purchased it for real money.

I don't think this screenshot is helping your case. The original effect you claim is gone is obviously still there and visible.

emilyhyoyeon

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Nothing is preventing you from using those weapons except you.

Nope, pretty sure it's Zos preventing me from using them. My eyes are still working. That's not what it looked like when I purchased it for real money.

I don't think this screenshot is helping your case. The original effect you claim is gone is obviously still there and visible.

You're joking right?

Dr_Con

i don't want my sorc to have lightning! or my DK to have fire! or my warden to have ice! or my necro to be covered in bones! 1/10 game is bad refund plz

omnidoh

I like the glow and also like that it's permanent.
I'd buy MORE cosmetic weapons if they were also permanent, but they're not.

Don't like it? Unequip the skill or don't buy the cosmetic.
Simple.

Jazraena

wazzz56 wrote: »

Jazraena wrote: »

wazzz56 wrote: »

I have 9 nbs.....the perma glow is not a big deal imho.......certainly not as big of a deal as some people are making it.

Are you claiming that the permanent glow does not invalidate cosmetics like the Undaunted Arms Packs?

People can like or dislike the glow. But enforcing a cosmetic on an entire class and making an entire class unable to use a specific set of crown store cosmetics isn't something you can have much of a different opinion on. At best, it's not something that bothers you.

The rest of us is bothered. You not caring does not change that. Stop defending them.

Literally state that it is my opinion in the comment..and I did not defend anybody...much like you are allowed to be upset about it, I am equally allowed to be ok with it...is what it is

Yes. You do. You literally state it not being as big of a deal as others are making it. You are explicitly passing judgement on those of us not liking it.

You are also completely missing the point. Whether it doesn't bother you is immaterial. It bothers others. Your comment is equivalent to me going to an IT store to complain that my new PC is missing the power supply and you going 'It's not a big deal, mine had one'.

It's cool that you're happy. We're not. And the fact that you don't see the principal problem here just because this time around it's not something that bothers you, personally, is worrisome.

omnidoh wrote: »

I like the glow and also like that it's permanent.
I'd buy MORE cosmetic weapons if they were also permanent, but they're not.

Don't like it? Unequip the skill or don't buy the cosmetic.
Simple.

Except, of course, we already bought the cosmetic and the skill is absolutely elementary for nightblades.
Simple.

If you like the glow the way for ZOS is to introduce a corresponding cosmetic. I like the Ebonsteel Motif, but if an entire class would be forced to wear it 24/7 when a specific, important skill is equipped I'd be right there demanding it to be removed regardless. How incredibly selfish does one have to be to not see the problem here?

NoticeMeArkay

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Nothing is preventing you from using those weapons except you.

Nope, pretty sure it's Zos preventing me from using them. My eyes are still working. That's not what it looked like when I purchased it for real money.

I don't think this screenshot is helping your case. The original effect you claim is gone is obviously still there and visible.

I didn't claim it's gone. I said it doesn't look like it did when I bougth it due to the added permanent glow.
See, right there. Right above my screenshot.

NoticeMeArkay

Dr_Con wrote: »

i don't want my sorc to have lightning! or my DK to have fire! or my warden to have ice! or my necro to be covered in bones! 1/10 game is bad refund plz

Blowing it out of proportion entirely.

Why don't you use your attention to this thread instead by serving counter arguments that back up your, and I'm just gonna have to assume at this point as you didn't add anything but shallow mockery to the discussion yet, affinity of the permanent glow?

spartaxoxo

At the very least, it should only glow in combat or when the proc is ready. One of the reasons to purchase those weapons is the glow.

And while we're at it, speed shouldn't override custom sneaks in the various personalities.

Jazraena

spartaxoxo wrote: »

At the very least, it should only glow in combat or when the proc is ready. One of the reasons to purchase those weapons is the glow.

I am, to this day, marvelling at the idea that this is intended.

Like, glowing effects typically should be there to provide either immersion or information, preferably both. Leaving aside that one misses a lot anyway in the ESO lightshow, what is this red glow supposed to do?

Not immersion, not a permanent glow on a Nightblade of all things.

Information? About what? That I have a skill slotted? I don't need to be reminded of that.

Now, glowing when the proc is ready? That'd be at least somewhat useful.

Soraka

Jazraena wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Wow you would have hated it when Sorc had skills that changed their appearance, like when our eyes glowed purple and Bound Armor was actually armor....

I did, in fact, hate it.

It was also changed. And toggleable.

I will always chime in and vote for toggles. All the toggles!

SeaGtGruff

Although I don't care whether the glow is permanent or not, it is interesting-- and kind of ironic-- to see people suggest that the glow is lore-breaking with respect to the whole "invisible/stealthy" Nightblade thing, yet people are also posting pictures of weapons with other permanent glows and electrical effects but no one is suggesting that those other glows and flashy effects are lore-breaking with respect to the whole "invisible/stealthy" Nightblade thing. It's interesting how we the players are willing to overlook or forgive certain things which might not make much sense for one reason or other because those things seem cool to us, yet we adamantly refuse to overlook or forgive other things which are just as silly, questionable, or "not entirely kosher according to The Lore."

As for the glow itself, on the one hand I think it looks cool on my Ashlander battle axe because of its positioning, but on the other hand I'm not too crazy about the way it looks on my bow. Go figure. I'm not saying I hate it on my bow; I just don't think it looks as cool as it does on my Ashlander battle axe. I haven't tried equipping other types and styles of weapons to see what it looks like on them.

NoticeMeArkay

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Although I don't care whether the glow is permanent or not, it is interesting-- and kind of ironic-- to see people suggest that the glow is lore-breaking with respect to the whole "invisible/stealthy" Nightblade thing, yet people are also posting pictures of weapons with other permanent glows and electrical effects but no one is suggesting that those other glows and flashy effects are lore-breaking [...]

Not a single person in this thread, that posted a screenshot for reference, said the effect is lorebreaking. Also please don't refer to my "electrical effect" in an attempt to change the narrative and especially not to distort my initial points and arguments given.

How shameless.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

It's interesting how we the players are willing to overlook or forgive certain things which might not make much sense for one reason or other because those things seem cool to us, yet we adamantly refuse to overlook or forgive other things which are just as silly, questionable, or "not entirely kosher according to The Lore."

The only interesting, no...irritating not interesting, thing here is the amount of energy you put into trying to humble people who wish not to spend money on something that is rendered unusable. Because of a permanent effect that doesn't add anything positive to the gameplay. Neither to combat, nor to the previously granted freedom given to players when it came to customization. Also, just a little sidenote: A prominent red glow, which the character is unable to hide unless he willingly "disarms" himself by unslotting a skill, if you really want to move the discussion to that level of detail, is just as irrational as your arguments given.

"They wield magic and use it to enhance their mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They move swiftly and with haste by darkness and use spells to benefit their circumstances. Nightblades thrive on conflict and misfortune, spell and shadow are their friends. "
(Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nightblades)

Once my nightblade puts her bow away, that pesky electrical effect I paid money for disappears with it. In other words, she can be stealthy if she wants to in quick fashion. - The red glow is permanent and stays no matter what she does with her weapon. How inconvenient for somebody who thrives on secrecy.
Apart from that, allow me to share a common saying in the roleplayer community with you:
"Don't trash talk a characters design if you don't understand the story behind it."

And in case you insist on red being the one true color which the people of tamriel identify our dear nightblades by...it is not.
It's blue.

"Nightblade's Indigo is a hue named after the nightblades."
(Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nightblades#cite_note-NBDye-17)

SeaGtGruff

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Although I don't care whether the glow is permanent or not, it is interesting-- and kind of ironic-- to see people suggest that the glow is lore-breaking with respect to the whole "invisible/stealthy" Nightblade thing, yet people are also posting pictures of weapons with other permanent glows and electrical effects but no one is suggesting that those other glows and flashy effects are lore-breaking [...]

Not a single person in this thread, that posted a screenshot for reference, said the effect is lorebreaking. Also please don't refer to my "electrical effect" in an attempt to change the narrative and especially not to distort my initial points and arguments given.

How shameless.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

It's interesting how we the players are willing to overlook or forgive certain things which might not make much sense for one reason or other because those things seem cool to us, yet we adamantly refuse to overlook or forgive other things which are just as silly, questionable, or "not entirely kosher according to The Lore."

The only interesting, no...irritating not interesting, thing here is the amount of energy you put into trying to humble people who wish not to spend money on something that is rendered unusable. Because of a permanent effect that doesn't add anything positive to the gameplay. Neither to combat, nor to the previously granted freedom given to players when it came to customization. Also, just a little sidenote: A prominent red glow, which the character is unable to hide unless he willingly "disarms" himself by unslotting a skill, if you really want to move the discussion to that level of detail, is just as irrational as your arguments given.

"They wield magic and use it to enhance their mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They move swiftly and with haste by darkness and use spells to benefit their circumstances. Nightblades thrive on conflict and misfortune, spell and shadow are their friends. "
(Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nightblades)

Once my nightblade puts her bow away, that pesky electrical effect I paid money for disappears with it. In other words, she can be stealthy if she wants to in quick fashion. - The red glow is permanent and stays no matter what she does with her weapon. How inconvenient for somebody who thrives on secrecy.
Apart from that, allow me to share a common saying in the roleplayer community with you:
"Don't trash talk a characters design if you don't understand the story behind it."

And in case you insist on red being the one true color which the people of tamriel identify our dear nightblades by...it is not.
It's blue.

"Nightblade's Indigo is a hue named after the nightblades."
(Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nightblades#cite_note-NBDye-17)

I never said anything about anyone in this thread. I was referring to what people have implied in other threads when they have posted pictures of their Nightblades with the Grim Focus permaglow and suggested that it was contrary to Nightblades being able to sneak around without being seen. Perhaps you do not see any irony and humor in the way that we as individuals are willing to accept certain apparent inconsistencies for whatever reason yet get all bent out of shape over other things, but I do. And being able to laugh at ourselves and our idiosyncracies is healthy. Try it on for size; it might help you feel better.

FantasticFreddie

Its a single skill. Just..... unslot it.

Like... if you are looking at your toon specifically for the appearance, you probably aren't in combat or about to be. Take off the skill, take your pictures, decorate your house, roleplay, whatever, and then put the skill back on before go time. At best, it's a mild inconvenience.

HappyTheCamper

Imagine if you bought a new car, but also got an upgraded package for it that comes highly recommended.

Now imagine the dealership takes you outside and dumps a giant can of red paint on the hood of the car. The package you upgraded to did not say anything about this, it’s totally new and totally a surprise.

“Why are you doing that?” you might ask.

Their response, “Oh you chose to have the new package, so we want your car to reflect that with a cool new red look. Its also there to remind you that you got the package!”

“But I know I got the new package, I don’t need reminded with obnoxious red extras. Did anyone ask for this?”

“Nope! We just decided to start doing it randomly.”

Analogy over. Again, at the VERY least don’t make the red glow permanent when the weapon is stowed or put away. I don’t hate it entirely, but it looks terrible out of combat. Have it apply only in combat. You can’t even properly use the outfit station with it!

noblecron

I love the perm glow. Feels magey

Norith_Gilheart_Flail

I like the glow also

FantasticFreddie

HappyTheCamper wrote: »

Imagine if you bought a new car, but also got an upgraded package for it that comes highly recommended.

Now imagine the dealership takes you outside and dumps a giant can of red paint on the hood of the car. The package you upgraded to did not say anything about this, it’s totally new and totally a surprise.

“Why are you doing that?” you might ask.

Their response, “Oh you chose to have the new package, so we want your car to reflect that with a cool new red look. Its also there to remind you that you got the package!”

“But I know I got the new package, I don’t need reminded with obnoxious red extras. Did anyone ask for this?”

“Nope! We just decided to start doing it randomly.”

Analogy over. Again, at the VERY least don’t make the red glow permanent when the weapon is stowed or put away. I don’t hate it entirely, but it looks terrible out of combat. Have it apply only in combat. You can’t even properly use the outfit station with it!

Take the skill off before using the outfit station.

Jazraena

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Its a single skill. Just..... unslot it.

Like... if you are looking at your toon specifically for the appearance, you probably aren't in combat or about to be. Take off the skill, take your pictures, decorate your house, roleplay, whatever, and then put the skill back on before go time. At best, it's a mild inconvenience.

"Just don't slot the skill."

Just no. No, I'm not going to continually unslot and reslot a skill everytime I'm not fighting things for three minutes.

Seriously, just drop out of the discussion at that point.

noblecron wrote: »

I love the perm glow. Feels magey

Zavijah_Arventi wrote: »

I like the glow also

Immaterial. This isn't about liking or disliking the glow.

emilyhyoyeon

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Although I don't care whether the glow is permanent or not, it is interesting-- and kind of ironic-- to see people suggest that the glow is lore-breaking with respect to the whole "invisible/stealthy" Nightblade thing, yet people are also posting pictures of weapons with other permanent glows and electrical effects but no one is suggesting that those other glows and flashy effects are lore-breaking [...]

Not a single person in this thread, that posted a screenshot for reference, said the effect is lorebreaking. Also please don't refer to my "electrical effect" in an attempt to change the narrative and especially not to distort my initial points and arguments given.

How shameless.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

It's interesting how we the players are willing to overlook or forgive certain things which might not make much sense for one reason or other because those things seem cool to us, yet we adamantly refuse to overlook or forgive other things which are just as silly, questionable, or "not entirely kosher according to The Lore."

The only interesting, no...irritating not interesting, thing here is the amount of energy you put into trying to humble people who wish not to spend money on something that is rendered unusable. Because of a permanent effect that doesn't add anything positive to the gameplay. Neither to combat, nor to the previously granted freedom given to players when it came to customization. Also, just a little sidenote: A prominent red glow, which the character is unable to hide unless he willingly "disarms" himself by unslotting a skill, if you really want to move the discussion to that level of detail, is just as irrational as your arguments given.

"They wield magic and use it to enhance their mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They move swiftly and with haste by darkness and use spells to benefit their circumstances. Nightblades thrive on conflict and misfortune, spell and shadow are their friends. "
(Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nightblades)

Once my nightblade puts her bow away, that pesky electrical effect I paid money for disappears with it. In other words, she can be stealthy if she wants to in quick fashion. - The red glow is permanent and stays no matter what she does with her weapon. How inconvenient for somebody who thrives on secrecy.
Apart from that, allow me to share a common saying in the roleplayer community with you:
"Don't trash talk a characters design if you don't understand the story behind it."

And in case you insist on red being the one true color which the people of tamriel identify our dear nightblades by...it is not.
It's blue.

"Nightblade's Indigo is a hue named after the nightblades."
(Source: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nightblades#cite_note-NBDye-17)

I never said anything about anyone in this thread. I was referring to what people have implied in other threads when they have posted pictures of their Nightblades with the Grim Focus permaglow and suggested that it was contrary to Nightblades being able to sneak around without being seen.

Because it does look ridiculous with the stealth aspect.

In the setting's context, you'd think a stealthy mage assassin wouldn't have spell that visually turns him into a street lamp at all times. It's funny.

Aztrias

terrible design imho
I'm not a fan of permanent glowing effects outside combat

NoticeMeArkay

Guess I'm supposed to unslot the skill everytime I'm searching for antiquities if I wanna enjoy the original feature interface I paid for with Greymoor. Fantastic

No, no. That's not a bug. Nothing bothersome to see here.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Dr_Con wrote: »

i don't want my sorc to have lightning!

Funny you say that, when sorc's buff Bound Armour also became permanent, but their visual effect was removed. Also, they are mages who uses destruction magic, which comes in many shapes, the lightning is quite restricting. When are we going to summon more types of daedra as this daedra summoning class, instead of shallow purple and lightning theme.

Dr_Con wrote: »

or my DK to have fire!

Which has no permanent visual. Less so one involving fire. Also, DK's main description is that they are masters-at-arms who use the ancient Akaviri martial arts tradition of battle-spirit, and wield fearsome magic that pounds, shatters and physically alters the world around them. No talk about fire.

Dr_Con wrote: »

or my warden to have ice!

Funniest one so far, because the ice theme skills is the weirdest and out of place one. The nature themed warden, a guardian of Y'ffre and the green, aka nature galore, got some random ice spells.

Dr_Con wrote: »

or my necro to be covered in bones! 1/10 game is bad refund plz

So you're fan of the spoopy and childish Halloween look? I'd prefer my necromancer to either be discreet about their illegal activties, or actually be more imposing than dress in tacky bones.

Ravensilver

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Its a single skill. Just..... unslot it.

Like... if you are looking at your toon specifically for the appearance, you probably aren't in combat or about to be. Take off the skill, take your pictures, decorate your house, roleplay, whatever, and then put the skill back on before go time. At best, it's a mild inconvenience.

It is not a mild inconvenience. When I spend the evening playing, I'm all over the place: questing, dailies, delves, harvesting etc. The skill is needed for all those activities. Unfortunately, the permanent intense red glow also gives me a screaming headache. So I can choose between a migrane and not playing the character the way she is *supposed* to be played!

That is definitely more than an 'inconvenience'. >.<

Lozeenge

this is op's fifth thread about this topic and all except one have devolved into back-and-forth over people's preferences on cosmetics and those who are clearly downplaying people's genuine complaints because of class bias or even just to troll. i'd plea to stop, but it probably won't mean anything to you.

despite being contacted about this multiple times, the devs' silence suggests that this will not be changed anytime soon due to either technical constraints or it actually is what they intended how the skill should work. for all we know this is the new templar animation rework in which they have also given us the silent treatment. we won't know until they tell. pumping out threads like these every week is not going to make things go faster.

if you're going to be so vocal about this the least you can do is keep it contained in the original thread. it'll continue getting bumped with or without you, anyway.

ZOS_Hadeostry

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic, as it's related to the crown store.

Thank you for your understanding

AstroST

So ZOS as always is hell bent on not communicating with their customers, I think I will just take this as an answer and just move on.

My answer was to not, for the first time, buy the new chapter, even on sale.

Have fun all, I'll probably go playing some flashy korean game.

Puddycat

People really need to develop some empathy. Just for one second put yourself in someone elses shoes!

I personally like the glow, it fits well with my style and also the weapon i was using. I also like that it's permanent and wish more weapon styles had the effect showing when sheathed.

HOWEVER.....i can totally understand why some people are pissed! It doesn't fit their style! And it doesn't look ok with the weapon style they had equipped (which they bought with real money).

The only people that would object to the fact that they are not ok with that, are selfish. Pure and simple!