ZOS: How is this fair?

gariondavey

In discord today we were discussing how long it has felt since the last deathmatch weekend.
Sep 2022 - capture the relic
Oct 2022 - chaosball
Nov 2022 - crazy king
Dec 2022 - deathmatch
Jan 2023 - domination
Feb 2023 - capture the relic
Mar 2023 - chaosball
Apr 2023 - crazy king
May 2023 - NO DEATHMATCH WEEKEND
Jun 2023 - domination
Jul 2023 - capture the relic
Aug 2023 - chaosball
Sep 2023 - crazy king
Oct 2023 - deathmatch, if pattern holds and it isn't cancelled for some reason

Deathmatch weekend is what many of us bg players look forward to. We can't choose our own game mode (even in group queue this would be a godsend) and we can't form a 12 man lobby (new group finder doesn't offer this).

Why was deathmatch weekend not moved into June 2023? Why would the most popular game mode (by all historical data, this is undeniably the truth) be passed over?

The first deathmatch weekend in Dec 2022 was listed at a day shorter than the previous 3 bg weekends, but I made a thread about it and tagged Kevin , Gina, Matt, and Rich, and then it was made 1 day longer again through Kevin's efforts.
(Source: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/623565/dm-weekend-concerns/p1?new=1 )

Please give us an additional weekend of deathmatch in this 5 battleground weekend cycle.
Option 1) It could shift the domination weekend of Nov 2023 ahead into Dec 2023
Option 2) it could come after the domination weekend of Nov 2023, making deathmatch weekend in Dec 2023 before the cycle restarts in Jan 2024
Option 3) alternate deathmatch weekends with other mode weekends. E.g. Oct 2023 is deathmatch, Nov 2023 is domination, Dec 2023 is deathmatch, Jan 2023 is capture the relic
Option 4) add a separate group deathmatch queue. Random group battleground does not have deathmatch as one of the possible game modes.

Option 4 would be the absolute bees knees/cats pyjamas. It would be absolutely incredible if you would implement this.

Option 1 or 2 in the meantime would be fair to players as we missed out on our preferred mode.

Please work your magic @ZOS_Kevin
Tagging @zos_gina @zos_mattfiror @zos_richlambert as well like last time.

Thanks.

IncultaWolf

I prefer deathmatch over the other game modes. It would be nice if we could choose to queue for objective/flag based games or deathmatch, it would satisfy a lot of battleground players, and make things much easier for those of us who do premade groups.

WoppaBoem

They don't like us, meta is stagnant, development is stopped, new servers was the excuse for a long time now they don't even bother to address any concerns anymore. Pvp is dying everyday a little more...

CGPsaint

I get what you're saying and can certainly sympathize, but on the other hand... 95% of people treat every match as though it's deathmatch, so maybe that's why they're doubling down on pushing the objective based weekends. *shrugs*

Erickson9610

It's funny that Cyrodiil, Imperial City, and Battlegrounds all involve capturing and holding some kind of objective — keeps, scrolls, districts, relics, chaosballs, flags... I wish more PvP modes involved just plain Deathmatch, like Dueling does.

I want more opportunities to play Deathmatch Battlegrounds.

Soarora

Honestly, just make every battleground weekend DM weekend. Who is doing capture the relic over and over and over again? People who need the achievements, sure but… is it fun? I enjoy all game modes but I don’t want to do any of them repeatedly. Might as well let DM people have their time to shine.

Urvoth

CGPsaint wrote: »

I get what you're saying and can certainly sympathize, but on the other hand... 95% of people treat every match as though it's deathmatch, so maybe that's why they're doubling down on pushing the objective based weekends. *shrugs*

If they gave DM its own queue like we used to have, that wouldn't happen

ZOS_Hadeostry

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic, as it's about Deathmatch Weekend event.

Thank you for your understanding

gariondavey

ZOS_Hadeostry wrote: »

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic, as it's about Deathmatch Weekend event.

Thank you for your understanding

@ZOS_Hadeostry nobody goes to that section of the forum. Please move my thread back to general.

Amottica

gariondavey wrote: »

ZOS_Hadeostry wrote: »

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic, as it's about Deathmatch Weekend event.

Thank you for your understanding

@ZOS_Hadeostry nobody goes to that section of the forum. Please move my thread back to general.

Huzzah, I found it.



The May weekend did not happen because it was midyear/whitestrak'es mayhem so we can expect death match to happen next month unless they are doing another mayhem I have not looked at the special events schedule.

LunaFlora

Urvoth wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

I get what you're saying and can certainly sympathize, but on the other hand... 95% of people treat every match as though it's deathmatch, so maybe that's why they're doubling down on pushing the objective based weekends. *shrugs*

If they gave DM its own queue like we used to have, that wouldn't happen

and then we'd once again only get deathmatch.
what we need is a separate queue for all modes

LunaFlora

Soarora wrote: »

Honestly, just make every battleground weekend DM weekend. Who is doing capture the relic over and over and over again? People who need the achievements, sure but… is it fun? I enjoy all game modes but I don’t want to do any of them repeatedly. Might as well let DM people have their time to shine.

i like the non deathmatch modes more. i definitely don't want to do deathmatch repeatedly it's only killing people and nothing else

CameraBeardThePirate

Great job censoring this post by moving it to the least visited section of the forums (when it could've easily gone to one of the PvP forums considering those are where the official posts regarding BG weekends live).

gariondavey

LunaFlora wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

CGPsaint wrote: »

I get what you're saying and can certainly sympathize, but on the other hand... 95% of people treat every match as though it's deathmatch, so maybe that's why they're doubling down on pushing the objective based weekends. *shrugs*

If they gave DM its own queue like we used to have, that wouldn't happen

and then we'd once again only get deathmatch.
what we need is a separate queue for all modes

Did you miss the part we suggest a dm only queue and a random queue that as no dm option?

gariondavey

ZOS_Hadeostry wrote: »

Greetings,

After further review we have decided to move this thread to a category we think is more appropriate for this topic, as it's about Deathmatch Weekend event.

Thank you for your understanding

@ZOS_Icy @ZOS_Volpe @ZOS_Kraken

Can one of you mods please move this thread back to general or to the pvp forum.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Amottica wrote: »

The May weekend did not happen because it was midyear/whitestrak'es mayhem so we can expect death match to happen next month unless they are doing another mayhem I have not looked at the special events schedule.

I believe the next one is the Telvanni Peninsula event and after that should be Witches Festival.

gariondavey wrote: »

Can one of you mods please move this thread back to general or to the pvp forum.

People still look for threads by forum? The ‘Recent’ heading is your friend! That’s how I got here.

Dr_Con

I never thought anyone would map out all the BG events and complain about about one of them.

As Amottica said, Whitestrakes was happening during when it would have been, adding unnecessary multipliers. They should have had Deathmatch in the following month, but it seems to have been discarded.

gariondavey

Dr_Con wrote: »

I never thought anyone would map out all the BG events and complain about about one of them.

As Amottica said, Whitestrakes was happening during when it would have been, adding unnecessary multipliers. They should have had Deathmatch in the following month, but it seems to have been discarded.

Many players play this game FOR bgs. If you don't, that's fine. I'm not going to diminish the importance of trials or housing or whatever you are into that I'm not.

But you are correct that deathmatch should have been the next month. The history of zos removing the dm queue (instead of having random queue not include dm), and them making the 1st dm event 4 days instead of 5 until I drew attention to it, is what makes this situation really unfair.

ZOS_Kevin

So if memory serves, the reason there was no deathmatch in May was because we had WhiteStrake's Mayhem live. However, we will pass this on as general feedback, the want to have more Deathmatch in the rotation. We'll also ask about the rotation and see if there is any clarity we can provide. Probably won't have an answer until Monday.

gariondavey

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

So if memory serves, the reason there was no deathmatch in May was because we had WhiteStrake's Mayhem live. However, we will pass this on as general feedback, the want to have more Deathmatch in the rotation. We'll also ask about the rotation and see if there is any clarity we can provide. Probably won't have an answer until Monday.

Thank you, @ZOS_Kevin!

React

It's a shame that these weekends are still only "25% bonus AP", too. When you consider that the reason we are getting these in the first place is to make up for the fact that there will be "No pvp content until the code rewrite is finished", especially when you take into account the 4+ years of no content prior to the code rewrite beginning, these are woefully inadequate and frankly a laughable excuse for a PVP event.

25% bonus AP amounts to a potential earning of what, maybe 15-20k additional AP per hour of BGs played, assuming you can even get multiple queues in an hour? Seems like a joke honestly, like the developers trying to show us exactly how little they care about this side of the game.

Necrotech_Master

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's funny that Cyrodiil, Imperial City, and Battlegrounds all involve capturing and holding some kind of objective — keeps, scrolls, districts, relics, chaosballs, flags... I wish more PvP modes involved just plain Deathmatch, like Dueling does.

I want more opportunities to play Deathmatch Battlegrounds.

IC surface actually used to be a pretty much straight deathmatch until they restricted respawning to only owned districts

StaticWave

Non-DM modes would actually be fun if people didn’t intentionally avoid fights and use specific builds to end the match as quickly as possible.

Imagine sitting in a 15 minute queue as a high MMR player, finally getting a match, only to run into a dedicated relic runner or a team with 3 healers and a tank for Chaos Ball. Match ends in 5 minutes with basically no fun out of it.

Yes, people could have chased down the relic runner or focus on the Chaos Ball holder, but that doesn’t make the game anymore fun lol.

CameraBeardThePirate

StaticWave wrote: »

Non-DM modes would actually be fun if people didn’t intentionally avoid fights and use specific builds to end the match as quickly as possible.

Imagine sitting in a 15 minute queue as a high MMR player, finally getting a match, only to run into a dedicated relic runner or a team with 3 healers and a tank for Chaos Ball. Match ends in 5 minutes with basically no fun out of it.

Yes, people could have chased down the relic runner or focus on the Chaos Ball holder, but that doesn’t make the game anymore fun lol.

Can't blame players for trying to win.

The real issue is that the game modes are poorly designed. None of the modes encourage fighting, except for maybe chaosball. Even then, the ball should have an unpurgeable snare so that you can't just cheese the game with a max speed build.

Urvoth

The objective modes might actually be fun if they were 2-team. The 3 team format is what makes objective modes unplayable.

fall0athboy

Soarora wrote: »

Honestly, just make every battleground weekend DM weekend. Who is doing capture the relic over and over and over again? People who need the achievements, sure but… is it fun? I enjoy all game modes but I don’t want to do any of them repeatedly. Might as well let DM people have their time to shine.

I mean, call me crazy, but I absolutely love Capture the Relic.

StaticWave wrote: »

Non-DM modes would actually be fun if people didn’t intentionally avoid fights and use specific builds to end the match as quickly as possible.

Imagine sitting in a 15 minute queue as a high MMR player, finally getting a match, only to run into a dedicated relic runner or a team with 3 healers and a tank for Chaos Ball. Match ends in 5 minutes with basically no fun out of it.

Yes, people could have chased down the relic runner or focus on the Chaos Ball holder, but that doesn’t make the game anymore fun lol.

Are you complaining that people play the objective?

boi_anachronism_

fall0athboy wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Honestly, just make every battleground weekend DM weekend. Who is doing capture the relic over and over and over again? People who need the achievements, sure but… is it fun? I enjoy all game modes but I don’t want to do any of them repeatedly. Might as well let DM people have their time to shine.

I mean, call me crazy, but I absolutely love Capture the Relic.

StaticWave wrote: »

Non-DM modes would actually be fun if people didn’t intentionally avoid fights and use specific builds to end the match as quickly as possible.

Imagine sitting in a 15 minute queue as a high MMR player, finally getting a match, only to run into a dedicated relic runner or a team with 3 healers and a tank for Chaos Ball. Match ends in 5 minutes with basically no fun out of it.

Yes, people could have chased down the relic runner or focus on the Chaos Ball holder, but that doesn’t make the game anymore fun lol.

Are you complaining that people play the objective?

I mean honestly it drives me nuts when pl dont. I want my 100k ex for the day lol

Katzenzunge

StaticWave wrote: »

Non-DM modes would actually be fun if people didn’t intentionally avoid fights and use specific builds to end the match as quickly as possible.

Imagine being unhappy with people playing the objective instead of [snip] killing each other in a BG that actually has an objective.

[edited for baiting]

Jierdanit

Besessenes wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Non-DM modes would actually be fun if people didn’t intentionally avoid fights and use specific builds to end the match as quickly as possible.

Imagine being unhappy with people playing the objective instead of [snip] killing each other in a BG that actually has an objective.

Because going to empty flags or relics and avoiding fights requires that much thinking?

[snip]
[edited to remove quote & for baiting]

Freilauftomate

They could make some kind of "mario kart capture the relic mount race" mini game next. Where you can ride your camels and guars and throw mudcrabs at each other...

I often wonder why they decided to drop the battleground system. It's still unfinished, just like Cyrodiil and imperial city. Did the devs quit back then, or what happened?

gariondavey

@ZOS_Kevin, was there any update yesterday (you mentioned about Monday)?