Necro is a forgotten class

Urvoth

The class has needed major reworks ever since being added in 2019 yet the only two major things that have been significantly improved in the last 4 years are the stam scythe and blastbones jumping to a target. It's strange to see such a barren class get mostly ignored patch after patch while other classes with complete, synergistic kits get consistent buffs or beneficial reworks. When necro has even been mentioned in patch notes, it has almost always been unnecessary nerfs, like the already mediocre skeleton mage getting doubly nerfed by having its damage halved and duration increased by 4s as part of the dot rework. It's not a dot, the aoe portion is tiny, it doesn't get buffed by the necro dot passives or sets like deadly strike, and you aren't even able to chose who the skeleton targets.

Of course while other classes are getting strong and interesting class sets in the new update, necro's class set only gives two already easily available, generic defensive buffs (which necro doesn't even need since their defensive kit has never been the problem) and the ability to have the tethers actually work like normal skills that other classes already have access to. Never mind that the siphons have such a tiny radius that they're never going to hit anything after being casted on yourself unless you're right on top of an enemy. Casting mortal coil on yourself is nice but not worth sacrificing a 5 piece set for just to have one skill work consistently like other class' hots.

VinnyGambini

Not a necro player myself, but yea I do not seem them often.

ketsparrowhawk

They need easy access to the basic named buffs that you need for every build. Sorcery, prophecy, etc. So they're not having to waste build investments just trying to reach a baseline. I'd like to see Maj damage buff on the Skeletal Mage and Maj crit buff on one of the tethers. Add Evasion to the totem. Lots of possibilities. Would also love for the Scythe to have execute scaling.

CameraBeardThePirate

Can't even use the tethers on your self corpse. Check the "known issues" section of the notes.

Don't even have hopes that they'll fix that before live, so the only interesting part of the set is worthless.

ketsparrowhawk

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Can't even use the tethers on your self corpse. Check the "known issues" section of the notes.

Don't even have hopes that they'll fix that before live, so the only interesting part of the set is worthless.

The whole set seems worthless. It incentivizes you to slot Bone Tyrant abilities, one of which (totem) gives you Minor Protection. You probably get Minor Resolve from vigor. So 2/3 of the 5pc bonus is completely nullified. And for me personally I am swimming in corpses already. Don't really see the usefulness of the self corpse thing. Very dull 2-4pc bonuses. Just all around a wet blanket of a set.

IncultaWolf

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Can't even use the tethers on your self corpse. Check the "known issues" section of the notes.

Don't even have hopes that they'll fix that before live, so the only interesting part of the set is worthless.

The whole set seems worthless. It incentivizes you to slot Bone Tyrant abilities, one of which (totem) gives you Minor Protection. You probably get Minor Resolve from vigor. So 2/3 of the 5pc bonus is completely nullified. And for me personally I am swimming in corpses already. Don't really see the usefulness of the self corpse thing. Very dull 2-4pc bonuses. Just all around a wet blanket of a set.

Yeah it's a joke, especially the minor protection from the set, like..do they even look at necromancer abilites? Bone totem already gives that buff.

boi_anachronism_

Thats the thing. Most of this is either in its class kit or easily available. Damn why couldnt they give em a set that buffs dps. They need it desperately. They are completely relegated to support.. its really a shame because the class has so much potential..

CameraBeardThePirate

IncultaWolf wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Can't even use the tethers on your self corpse. Check the "known issues" section of the notes.

Don't even have hopes that they'll fix that before live, so the only interesting part of the set is worthless.

The whole set seems worthless. It incentivizes you to slot Bone Tyrant abilities, one of which (totem) gives you Minor Protection. You probably get Minor Resolve from vigor. So 2/3 of the 5pc bonus is completely nullified. And for me personally I am swimming in corpses already. Don't really see the usefulness of the self corpse thing. Very dull 2-4pc bonuses. Just all around a wet blanket of a set.

Yeah it's a joke, especially the minor protection from the set, like..do they even look at necromancer abilites? Bone totem already gives that buff.

Or, you know, that Temporal Guard ulti that plenty of people slot for the Minor Protection.

Panderbander

They should just throw necromancer a bone this patch.

...

I'll see myself out.

ketsparrowhawk

IncultaWolf wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Can't even use the tethers on your self corpse. Check the "known issues" section of the notes.

Don't even have hopes that they'll fix that before live, so the only interesting part of the set is worthless.

The whole set seems worthless. It incentivizes you to slot Bone Tyrant abilities, one of which (totem) gives you Minor Protection. You probably get Minor Resolve from vigor. So 2/3 of the 5pc bonus is completely nullified. And for me personally I am swimming in corpses already. Don't really see the usefulness of the self corpse thing. Very dull 2-4pc bonuses. Just all around a wet blanket of a set.

Yeah it's a joke, especially the minor protection from the set, like..do they even look at necromancer abilites? Bone totem already gives that buff.

AND the set even encourages you to slot the totem. It's bad enough it's a buff that necro already has access to.. but it's on an ability the set wants you to use.

LukosCreyden

I've retired my necro.
Absolutely terrible class.
Weak, worthless skills, clunky and buggy.
Even the new class set for it is rubbish.
Also, STILL NO MAJOR SORCERY / BRUTALITY LMAO

boi_anachronism_

LukosCreyden wrote: »

I've retired my necro.
Absolutely terrible class.
Weak, worthless skills, clunky and buggy.
Even the new class set for it is rubbish.
Also, STILL NO MAJOR SORCERY / BRUTALITY LMAO

Only reason to run it right now is trial comp pretty much:

- EC/MA/MK support dps

Or

- OT for sax/colossus

Makes a pretty decent healer in some comps.

OtarTheMad

I fear that ZOS will take only part of the necro feedback and give it major brutality/sorcery and call it a day. The bad part with that is great we have that buff but the offensive skills still suck and aren’t worth slotting so we gained nothing.

IncultaWolf

LukosCreyden wrote: »

I've retired my necro.
Absolutely terrible class.
Weak, worthless skills, clunky and buggy.
Even the new class set for it is rubbish.
Also, STILL NO MAJOR SORCERY / BRUTALITY LMAO

Don't worry, most of the player base has as well. I can play pvp for several hours, multiple days in a row, and I'll be lucky if I see 1 necromancer, meanwhile I see hundreds of dragonknights running around in perma corrosive one shotting everything

IncultaWolf

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I fear that ZOS will take only part of the necro feedback and give it major brutality/sorcery and call it a day. The bad part with that is great we have that buff but the offensive skills still suck and aren’t worth slotting so we gained nothing.

They need more than major brutality/sorcery. The skeletal minion needs a damage buff, with an effect attached to it, even something as simple as minor berserk would make it worth slotting. Bone totem needs to be fixed to stun on the first tick. The damage tethers need to just be completely reworked. Grave grasp..I don't even know where to start with this meme of an ability, it needs a LOT of help. Make the empowering grasp morph buff pets while slotted, because trying to hit your pets with this skill is very tedious and most times you will waste resources trying to.

Blood sacrifice, the other morph of the burst heal render flesh, I have never once seen this ability used since necromancer was released, probably could use a rework as well. Also graveyard is still bugged where if you cast it away from yourself, you can't use the self synergy.

OtarTheMad

IncultaWolf wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I fear that ZOS will take only part of the necro feedback and give it major brutality/sorcery and call it a day. The bad part with that is great we have that buff but the offensive skills still suck and aren’t worth slotting so we gained nothing.

They need more than major brutality/sorcery. The skeletal minion needs a damage buff, with an effect attached to it, even something as simple as minor berserk would make it worth slotting. Bone totem needs to be fixed to stun on the first tick. The damage tethers need to just be completely reworked. Grave grasp..I don't even know where to start with this meme of an ability, it needs a LOT of help. Make the empowering grasp morph buff pets while slotted, because trying to hit your pets with this skill is very tedious and most times you will waste resources trying to.

Blood sacrifice, the other morph of the burst heal render flesh, I have never once seen this ability used since necromancer was released, probably could use a rework as well. Also graveyard is still bugged where if you cast it away from yourself, you can't use the self synergy.

Yeah it’s really crazy how much help Necro needs. I would rather ZOS focus on fixing/adjusting the current abilities and make them better and smoother.

Urvoth

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I fear that ZOS will take only part of the necro feedback and give it major brutality/sorcery and call it a day. The bad part with that is great we have that buff but the offensive skills still suck and aren’t worth slotting so we gained nothing.

That’s what I’m concerned about as well if necro gets any updates. It needs a complete overall of most of the kit and having basic buffs is only a starting point.

OldStygian

Skill lines need to be completely redone. Off the top of my head

Gravelord ultimate should be an undead pet - skeleton to zombie/skele-mage-lich. Walk into town with it you get KOS.
Bone Tyrant ultimate should be a lich form that lasts as long as you keep it on with +/- to various stats and bonuses. Again KOS to guards
I hate the graphics for wonky tomb stones appearing all over the place, blast bones is stupid, the colossus is dumb. Give them the pull into the ground like Canonreeve Oraneth Necrotic Circle, Necrotic Stab, Defiled Ground with Soul Rupture etc
Get rid of the temporary summons. Have more siphons and debuffs

OolongSnakeTea

Yeah Necro needs a rework- cool stuff like 'when blast bones blows up, get brutality' or somethign to help it play into its corpse needs. or have tethers proc something as you drain it for power.

Major_Soulless

I do feel sorry for necro I’m amazed they got nothing for u40 apparently even their class set is crap

LukosCreyden

I am so disappointed.
I was ridiculously excited when necro was announced.
It SHOULD be my main. I want it to be my main, but the class is so bad that playing it just feels like griefing. It is an awful class and for some reason, it is being continually ignored.

It sucks so much that I am playing the game far less. Those crown crates with the necromancer throne and the lich crystals memento? I would've sunk a goodly amount of money to get my hands on those but nope, why bother? I don't feel like punishing myself by playing necro just because it is thematically and aesthetically cool.

I am a stam sorc main now. Its fine.

Snarly1206

Totally agree. We also don't even have access to major sorcery? like, really? just pathetic. I love necro, only reason i even play, and yet, feels very neglected and forgotten.

Snarly1206

LukosCreyden wrote: »

I've retired my necro.
Absolutely terrible class.
Weak, worthless skills, clunky and buggy.
Even the new class set for it is rubbish.
Also, STILL NO MAJOR SORCERY / BRUTALITY LMAO

yea really . . .

IncultaWolf

This class had so much potential, people are bringing up wanting a skeletal summon for the grave lord tree ultimate, and that's actually what it was at one point. It would be awesome if they made one of the class sets change the ultimate from the flesh atronach back to the skeletal dragon. I know it's possible, because cryptcanon vestments mythic replaces your ultimate with a new one. These class sets are so..plain and non-creative. There are so many cool ideas I could throw out for each class, like this might have been a opportunity to finally give dragonknights that stamina/poison whip that was requested for years.

Anyways, here's a thread I made about the necromancer that includes the video of the skeletal dragon ultimate that was scrapped

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/640514/pre-release-beta-necromancer-abilities-scrapped-ultimate

OtarTheMad

IncultaWolf wrote: »

This class had so much potential, people are bringing up wanting a skeletal summon for the grave lord tree ultimate, and that's actually what it was at one point. It would be awesome if they made one of the class sets change the ultimate from the flesh atronach back to the skeletal dragon. I know it's possible, because cryptcanon vestments mythic replaces your ultimate with a new one. These class sets are so..plain and non-creative. There are so many cool ideas I could throw out for each class, like this might have been a opportunity to finally give dragonknights that stamina/poison whip that was requested for years.

Anyways, here's a thread I made about the necromancer that includes the video of the skeletal dragon ultimate that was scrapped

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/640514/pre-release-beta-necromancer-abilities-scrapped-ultimate

So many things were different about the necro class but changed. Like the beta abilities but also scythe had heal absorption on it which was removed and biggest of all for me is Blastbones actually worked in Elsweyr’s time in PTS. It was changed and nerfed when it hit live due to misinformation which broke it.

IncultaWolf

OtarTheMad wrote: »

IncultaWolf wrote: »

This class had so much potential, people are bringing up wanting a skeletal summon for the grave lord tree ultimate, and that's actually what it was at one point. It would be awesome if they made one of the class sets change the ultimate from the flesh atronach back to the skeletal dragon. I know it's possible, because cryptcanon vestments mythic replaces your ultimate with a new one. These class sets are so..plain and non-creative. There are so many cool ideas I could throw out for each class, like this might have been a opportunity to finally give dragonknights that stamina/poison whip that was requested for years.

Anyways, here's a thread I made about the necromancer that includes the video of the skeletal dragon ultimate that was scrapped

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/640514/pre-release-beta-necromancer-abilities-scrapped-ultimate

So many things were different about the necro class but changed. Like the beta abilities but also scythe had heal absorption on it which was removed and biggest of all for me is Blastbones actually worked in Elsweyr’s time in PTS. It was changed and nerfed when it hit live due to misinformation which broke it.

Imagine if the skeletal minion had the heal absorption attached to its attacks, would be something unique the class has, and make it worth slotting in pvp. I REALLY want to use the skeletal archer/arcanist so I FEEL like a necromancer, but it's just soo bad and not worth giving up a bar slot.

Urvoth

IncultaWolf wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

IncultaWolf wrote: »

This class had so much potential, people are bringing up wanting a skeletal summon for the grave lord tree ultimate, and that's actually what it was at one point. It would be awesome if they made one of the class sets change the ultimate from the flesh atronach back to the skeletal dragon. I know it's possible, because cryptcanon vestments mythic replaces your ultimate with a new one. These class sets are so..plain and non-creative. There are so many cool ideas I could throw out for each class, like this might have been a opportunity to finally give dragonknights that stamina/poison whip that was requested for years.

Anyways, here's a thread I made about the necromancer that includes the video of the skeletal dragon ultimate that was scrapped

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/640514/pre-release-beta-necromancer-abilities-scrapped-ultimate

So many things were different about the necro class but changed. Like the beta abilities but also scythe had heal absorption on it which was removed and biggest of all for me is Blastbones actually worked in Elsweyr’s time in PTS. It was changed and nerfed when it hit live due to misinformation which broke it.

Imagine if the skeletal minion had the heal absorption attached to its attacks, would be something unique the class has, and make it worth slotting in pvp. I REALLY want to use the skeletal archer/arcanist so I FEEL like a necromancer, but it's just soo bad and not worth giving up a bar slot.

The damage on it got completely gutted in the dot rework patch as well even though it's not a sticky dot and only went up 4s in duration compared to other dots going up 10s

madmidwestmark

In theory, I'd love to play necro, but absolutely hate the playstyle of it in game. The tethers aren't fun. Blastbones are inconsistent. The ults are good, though. The new set for them isn't good

CameraBeardThePirate

Urvoth wrote: »

IncultaWolf wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

IncultaWolf wrote: »

This class had so much potential, people are bringing up wanting a skeletal summon for the grave lord tree ultimate, and that's actually what it was at one point. It would be awesome if they made one of the class sets change the ultimate from the flesh atronach back to the skeletal dragon. I know it's possible, because cryptcanon vestments mythic replaces your ultimate with a new one. These class sets are so..plain and non-creative. There are so many cool ideas I could throw out for each class, like this might have been a opportunity to finally give dragonknights that stamina/poison whip that was requested for years.

Anyways, here's a thread I made about the necromancer that includes the video of the skeletal dragon ultimate that was scrapped

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/640514/pre-release-beta-necromancer-abilities-scrapped-ultimate

So many things were different about the necro class but changed. Like the beta abilities but also scythe had heal absorption on it which was removed and biggest of all for me is Blastbones actually worked in Elsweyr’s time in PTS. It was changed and nerfed when it hit live due to misinformation which broke it.

Imagine if the skeletal minion had the heal absorption attached to its attacks, would be something unique the class has, and make it worth slotting in pvp. I REALLY want to use the skeletal archer/arcanist so I FEEL like a necromancer, but it's just soo bad and not worth giving up a bar slot.

The damage on it got completely gutted in the dot rework patch as well even though it's not a sticky dot and only went up 4s in duration compared to other dots going up 10s

And honestly the duration increase was a pseudo-nerf at the end of the day because it takes longer to make a corpse now.

Lags

il say the same thing i did in my thread about it. It needs the tethers to stop breaking on LOS, more corpse generation, and access to buffs especially brutality/sorcery tied into a viable skill.

It also needs things like better damage skills, because blast bones is very clunky and not at all comparable to a skill like the magicka morph of sub assault. The skull could use more damage too, its nothing compared to something like whip. And the morph of boneyard that gives fracture needs to be like caltrops and have it apply for some time after someone leaves the aoe.

Theres many more but these are my suggestions.

Urvoth

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

IncultaWolf wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

IncultaWolf wrote: »

This class had so much potential, people are bringing up wanting a skeletal summon for the grave lord tree ultimate, and that's actually what it was at one point. It would be awesome if they made one of the class sets change the ultimate from the flesh atronach back to the skeletal dragon. I know it's possible, because cryptcanon vestments mythic replaces your ultimate with a new one. These class sets are so..plain and non-creative. There are so many cool ideas I could throw out for each class, like this might have been a opportunity to finally give dragonknights that stamina/poison whip that was requested for years.

Anyways, here's a thread I made about the necromancer that includes the video of the skeletal dragon ultimate that was scrapped

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/640514/pre-release-beta-necromancer-abilities-scrapped-ultimate

So many things were different about the necro class but changed. Like the beta abilities but also scythe had heal absorption on it which was removed and biggest of all for me is Blastbones actually worked in Elsweyr’s time in PTS. It was changed and nerfed when it hit live due to misinformation which broke it.

Imagine if the skeletal minion had the heal absorption attached to its attacks, would be something unique the class has, and make it worth slotting in pvp. I REALLY want to use the skeletal archer/arcanist so I FEEL like a necromancer, but it's just soo bad and not worth giving up a bar slot.

The damage on it got completely gutted in the dot rework patch as well even though it's not a sticky dot and only went up 4s in duration compared to other dots going up 10s

And honestly the duration increase was a pseudo-nerf at the end of the day because it takes longer to make a corpse now.

Yeah, it was double nerfed. 10s dots that went to 20s had their damage nerfed less than the already mediocre skeleton that you couldn’t even choose the target for.