Balance Changes

Cloudrest

I don't even really know what more there is to say at this point other than 'wow'. Dragonknight has been dominating the PvE and PvP meta for over a year now and has been highlighted as an outlying pain point by many players throughout many threads on the forums now-- and they get buffed again and receive one of the most overpowered sets that I've seen in recent years. Corrosive Armour is already an endemic problem in Cyrodiil and is extremely overtuned; now there's a set to ensure that DK's have even higher uptime on it than they already do. Meanwhile, ZOS destroys the class identity and viability of Necromancer and keeps Templar underbuffed and unviable whilst speaking of "intentional weaknesses".

Okay, where's the intentional weakness(es) of Dragonknight? They've got burst that's on-par with Nightblade, free sustain from Combustion + Battle Roar to the point where regen isn't really needed, insane pressure, some of the best healing and survivability through Coagulating Blood + innate tankiness, and then an all-in-one ultimate in the form of Corrosive Armor that provides infinite penetration to ramp their damage and crazy survivability through capped incoming damage. Why does it do both, even? Make it one or the other ZOS, and let's try to tone down the class instead of buffing it even more. I'm tired of this current meta, and many other players are, too.






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CameraBeardThePirate

[snip] It's a shame too, because I was looking forward to the Endless Archive but have lost pretty much all excitement I had for it after reading the rest of the notes.

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TechMaybeHic

They just need more time to bake...

Rhaegar75

How about polar wind wardens that require an army to take down?

grzes848909

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

They just need more time to bake...

so what were they doing from update 35 to 40 ?

Cloudrest

grzes848909 wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

They just need more time to bake...

so what were they doing from update 35 to 40 ?

Making me and a lot of other people stop playing/uninstall entirely.

VixxVexx

14% healing and major crit on the backbar. What are they even thinking?
inb4 30k coag crits.

Arthtur

I dont agree that DK is the stronget in PvE. DK lost this title already. That spot belongs to Arcanist now. DK is just good in PvE,.Its still better than other classes but thats the problem with the other classes not DK.
In PvP well... Corrosive. Thats all.

Cloudrest

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

How about polar wind wardens that require an army to take down?

As if Dragonknights don't? Polar Wind is also an issue, but it doesn't mean Dragonknight's don't need a heavy nerf. Whenever I'm 1vXing, DK's and Wardens seem almost impossible to kill-- even on a bursty nightblade that should theoretically kill them in two game-ticks if they misplay.

I've hopped on a Acuity/Trickery Dragonknight and I was facetanking 10+ players in a keep by myself with zero issues, able to turn around and oneshot anyone through a deep breath + whip combo whilst in corrosive. [snip]

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MashmalloMan

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

They just need more time to bake...

How much time? I "quit" with update 35, I've been patiently waiting for a big reason to come back. I check every patch and they barely adjust the classes that need changes even when they do, then claim they need more time to watch the changes they made.

For context, hybridization changes were largely implemented at the beginning of 2021, it will be 3+ years before that effort is fully realized. Probably more at this rate.

Why is weapon and spell damage still separated? Why is crit still separate? Why don't pots and poisons offer both weapon and spell damage buffs, but skills do? Why do we have a weapon damage and spell damage mundus stone? Why do the 4 original classes still have separate, but shared minor group buffs making 2/4 redundant.

That's what I call half-baked. Maybe they should finish what they started?

I'll probably come back to play the new patch for a week to get the sets, then dip at this rate unfortunately. I want more than anything to play this as my main game again, but they're priorities aren't aligned with what the players find important. I'd argue the classes we play are tier 1, the base of our ESO pyramid of play.

Twohothardware

Arthtur wrote: »

I dont agree that DK is the stronget in PvE. DK lost this title already. That spot belongs to Arcanist now. DK is just good in PvE,.Its still better than other classes but thats the problem with the other classes not DK.
In PvP well... Corrosive. Thats all.

Yeah in PvE Arcanist is performing well above DK and in PvP DK is not even close to Nightblade in terms of the damage buffing passives. Everyone is complaining about one skill, an ultimate, Corrosive Armor. An ultimate that isn't used in PvE which is why the devs probably don't see the potential issues with this set because PvP is rarely a major factor in balance changes.

Corrosive armor needs an adjustment and this set is probably fine.

TechMaybeHic

grzes848909 wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

They just need more time to bake...

so what were they doing from update 35 to 40 ?

Mixing the batter

BugsyTheGod

Dk has been overpowered for at least 2 years now, I don't understand how much more data they need to see. Over half of cyrodiil is a dk spamming corrosive with acuity or running master dw with vate ice staff. I dont even think I've seen a necromancer in pvp since harmony nerf, and most plars are tank healers spamming beam in the back of a zerg. One of the most boring and unskilled metas we have ever had and they refuse to do any balance changes zzz.

Alchimiste1

So let me get this straight. Zos thought it was a good idea to give Dks Oakensoul level ult gen again, to give them 14% more healing on their backbar, crit chance on the backbar, and extra spell damage from molten stacks for more healing on the backbar?

Yeah good luck killing Dks lol.
Who is the lead combat developer again? we need a QA with them.

Jierdanit

It is ridiculous that there are barely any balance changes in the Patch Notes when people have been complaining about the meta for at least 3 patches now.

And even more ridiculous that the only actual balance changes are buffs to the already strongest class in the game.

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Cloudrest

relevant;

Panderbander

Cloudrest wrote: »

relevant;

Werewolf buried beneath the necro.

MetallicMonk wrote: »

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This is amazing.

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BetweenMidgets

What about Gibbering Shelter affecting 12 people instead of just 6, without any adjustment to the amount it shields?

Just LOL. Guess sales need a bit of a boost.

PISTOLETVKREDIT

Cloudrest wrote: »

relevant;

where is sorc?

TechMaybeHic

Noticed they have even just "dummy icons" in place of new buffs to hit PTS. The devs just don't have the manpower to do much when they appear to be barely keeping up with the recently lightened content cadence.

IncultaWolf

Panderbander wrote: »

Cloudrest wrote: »

relevant;

Werewolf buried beneath the necro.

MetallicMonk wrote: »

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This is amazing.

Werewolf would definitely be buried under the necro, at least necromancer can abuse the undeath passive

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IncultaWolf

PISTOLETVKREDIT wrote: »

Cloudrest wrote: »

relevant;

where is sorc?

Abusing masters dw/vateshran

Lags

Cloudrest wrote: »

relevant;

This is perfect. I just dont understand how a team doing balance can look all the classes, look how they perform in pvp and pve, and come to the conclusion that anything other than necro needs help.

Like you cant just go down a to-do list slowly and wait years to fix things. If something is doing way better now, like dk for example, but maybe could use some QOL improvements at some point, then leave it alone for now until you sort out the classes with way more problems.

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Four_Fingers

Always be careful what you wish for with ZOS, now everybody will get nerfed somehow along with DK.

Dragonredux

PISTOLETVKREDIT wrote: »

where is sorc?

Who?

Remathilis

PISTOLETVKREDIT wrote: »

Cloudrest wrote: »

relevant;

where is sorc?

The fact the meme creator couldn't even be bothered to remember it's a class tells you all you need to know.

MashmalloMan

Cloudrest wrote: »

relevant;

Best part of this meme is Sorc is forgotten. 🤣

MashmalloMan

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Noticed they have even just "dummy icons" in place of new buffs to hit PTS. The devs just don't have the manpower to do much when they appear to be barely keeping up with the recently lightened content cadence.

I was thinking the same thing, in the patch notes, almost every single class set listed notable and minor bugs that you would think could be fixed within a week or 2 at most.

Did they make these sets the week before the live stream? I know content is usually in developement for 1-2 years before it ever releases, but sets are mostly just coding attached to a loot table, FX they've used for in game enemies and a style the modeling team could of had in the backlog for years..

I wouldn't be surprised if they're realistically 1 month old at this point based on the bugs and design of some of them.

sneakymitchell

Cloudrest wrote: »

sneakymitchell wrote: »

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Hey man just keep jabbing all Templars do. Don’t be mad when Dk tries to be unquie with lava whips than the same morph used for years

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Cloudrest

sneakymitchell wrote: »

Cloudrest wrote: »

sneakymitchell wrote: »

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Hey man just keep jabbing all Templars do. Don’t be mad when Dk tries to be unquie with lava whips than the same morph used for years

DK definitely has a diverse, complex, hard-to-pick-up playstyle that requires foresight and game knowledge to master-- I totally agree with you! I rarely see them in Cyrodiil compared to those dang overpowered Templars spamming jabs beam.

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Toxic_Hemlock

It might be nice if the changes were done and sets added by someone who mains said class...

It seems to me that 99% of the devs main DKs at his point...

But then again so will all of us soon too!