PTS Update 40 - Bug Reports for Jewelry Crafting Rebalance

ZOS_GinaBruno

Please report any issues you run into while testing the Jewelry Crafting changes. In general, we prefer you to use /bug in-game but if you’d rather submit a report here, please give us as much information as possible, including screenshots and/or video if applicable. Thank you!

ganzaeso

This process might be creating exceptionally long loads. Is anyone else getting in? I have all addons disabled and it is still loading.

DoofusMax

Checked in on my stash of Jewelry Master Writs and found that they are now asking for "Ancient" platings (Terne, Iridium, Zircon, and Chromium). Unless there is something stashed somewhere that I am overlooking, there are no Ancient platings anywhere in my inventory (personal, bank, or craft bag) and regular platings are what drops from refining and daily writ rewards. This makes existing Jewelry Master Writs impossible to complete since the materials don't exist. You'll generate fewer headaches and ruffled feathers if you either change those requirements back to regular platings or make those mats available somehow.

VaxtinTheWolf

Ancient materials are what the current/old materials are now. Probably some ID shifting going on somewhere. I think they renamed the old, and made new plating ID to convert everything into.

I do not have PTS installed, this is just outside guesses and observations.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

ganzaeso wrote: »

This process might be creating exceptionally long loads. Is anyone else getting in? I have all addons disabled and it is still loading.

I got in.

I don’t know if it counts as a bug, but I noticed the Jewelry Trait Stones still have a grain (‘Pulverized’) form.

ganzaeso

DoofusMax wrote: »

Checked in on my stash of Jewelry Master Writs and found that they are now asking for "Ancient" platings (Terne, Iridium, Zircon, and Chromium). Unless there is something stashed somewhere that I am overlooking, there are no Ancient platings anywhere in my inventory (personal, bank, or craft bag) and regular platings are what drops from refining and daily writ rewards. This makes existing Jewelry Master Writs impossible to complete since the materials don't exist. You'll generate fewer headaches and ruffled feathers if you either change those requirements back to regular platings or make those mats available somehow.

I just completed an old legendary jewelry writ on PTS using converted materials. It may be an addon you are running referencing the old item id, the author will have to change that. Probably writ worthy.

What date are the conversion characters from? I wanted to verify accuracy between PTS and live but can not due to not knowing what date the character is from. I suspect the 12th of Sept, but can not be fore sure.

DoofusMax

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

Ancient materials are what the current/old materials are now. Probably some ID shifting going on somewhere. I think they renamed the old, and made new plating ID to convert everything into.

Checked that. All of my existing platings converted at 10:1 and grains converted at 1:1 (no upgrade grains left anywhere), so everything is plain platings now. My suspicion is that the "ancient" tag was supposed to apply to stuff in odd locations like storage boxes, mail attachments, and maybe unsold stuff at guild traders. My best guess on this one is an "ooops!" when someone was coding the conversion and the materials requirements in existing writs kind of went sideways. I didn't get any Jewelry writs off my dailies on PTS, so can't say what the U40 writs are doing, but the pre-U40 ones are problematic.

(EDIT: we can cancel all of that - it was a problem with WritWorthy).

DoofusMax

[quote="ganzaeso;c-7960361"What date are the conversion characters from? I wanted to verify accuracy between PTS and live but can not due to not knowing what date the character is from. I suspect the 12th of Sept, but can not be fore sure.[/quote]

I'll need to disable WritWorthy to check, but yeah, that could very easily be what's happening. Thanks for the suggestion. (EDIT: checked and it was, indeed, a WritWorthy problem. Once disabled, everything worked just fine.)

The characters were from earlier today (9/18) or late yesterday (9/17). The account capture happened while some of my stuff on the live server was being purchased. I had "here's your gold" mails waiting for a couple of items, but not for a couple of others, and the difference between those was a matter of an hour or two.

LonePirate

I completed a regular, daily jewelry crafting writ and the reward box for the writ contained 10 Zircon platings. That seems a bit excessive if jewelry crafting is to resemble the other crafting disciplines. I would have expected a single Zircon plating for the reward.

Also, where is the Jewelry Hireling passive skill? That should have been added with this rebalance.

wolfie1.0.

are Pulverized trait materials going to get the same treatment? or will those continue to be 10:1?

ganzaeso

Looks like Epic Jewelry writs are being balanced to the old Blue Jewelry Writ Values

ganzaeso

Looks like new legendary Jewelry Writs will fall more in line with Legendary Clothier writs.

lillybit

Is it intended that refining and deconning still only drop fragments of trait mats? I refined 2k of dust and got 20+ chrome platings but only enough pulverised mats to make a single zinc (11 zinc, 8 cobolt and 5 antimony). People will effectively only be able to use JC for reconstructing where you don't need a trait stone if this isn't looked at, it's going to be a massive pain point still

Maitsukas

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

are Pulverized trait materials going to get the same treatment? or will those continue to be 10:1?

The conversion applies strictly to Platings and Grains. The Pulverized Traits continue to drop from various sources, like refining the Dusts.

wolfie1.0.

Maitsukas wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

are Pulverized trait materials going to get the same treatment? or will those continue to be 10:1?

The conversion applies strictly to Platings and Grains. The Pulverized Traits continue to drop from various sources, like refining the Dusts.

Thus creating the same pain points as improvement items and not bringing them in line with other crafted gear...

Be nice if they got the same treatment. Guess I will be stuck with 5 pulverized gliding wax for a while now.

Sordidfairytale

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Maitsukas wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

are Pulverized trait materials going to get the same treatment? or will those continue to be 10:1?

The conversion applies strictly to Platings and Grains. The Pulverized Traits continue to drop from various sources, like refining the Dusts.

Thus creating the same pain points as improvement items and not bringing them in line with other crafted gear...

Be nice if they got the same treatment. Guess I will be stuck with 5 pulverized gliding wax for a while now.

Yes, this is an excellent point. Increase the quantity these trait materials drop, or do away with the need to refine them as well.

lillybit

Just realised jewelry master writs will be even less viable after the change because the traits are a bigger barrier than platings. With purple being similar values to current blues, and gold half that amount of current purples, I don't really see them being worth doing for any except the original 3 traits - maybe

Currently I do all purple and gold but blue I only do in arcane, robust and healthy so new purples will be the same. I'm really not sure if 100 vouchers is enough to justify the rare trait stones for gold, so they could end up being junked too.

This could be a big blow to people collecting vouchers, especially new guild hall builders. Gutted.

Rageypoo

ganzaeso wrote: »

Looks like new legendary Jewelry Writs will fall more in line with Legendary Clothier writs.

@ZOS_GinaBruno could you let us know if the older writ books will change in the total writs as well, or will they remain the same?

majulook

ganzaeso wrote: »

Looks like new legendary Jewelry Writs will fall more in line with Legendary Clothier writs.

ganzaeso wrote: »

Looks like Epic Jewelry writs are being balanced to the old Blue Jewelry Writ Values

With Traits are still dropping as Pulverized. Both not worth crafting rewards are to small for the use of the Traits.

lillybit

Rageypoo wrote: »

ganzaeso wrote: »

Looks like new legendary Jewelry Writs will fall more in line with Legendary Clothier writs.

@ZOS_GinaBruno could you let us know if the older writ books will change in the total writs as well, or will they remain the same?

It already said in the patch notes that old writs will be unchanged. Several people have confirmed that too.

From patch notes:
"Existing crafting writs will be unchanged but new ones will use this rebalanced formula."

tmbrinks

lillybit wrote: »

Just realised jewelry master writs will be even less viable after the change because the traits are a bigger barrier than platings. With purple being similar values to current blues, and gold half that amount of current purples, I don't really see them being worth doing for any except the original 3 traits - maybe

Currently I do all purple and gold but blue I only do in arcane, robust and healthy so new purples will be the same. I'm really not sure if 100 vouchers is enough to justify the rare trait stones for gold, so they could end up being junked too.

This could be a big blow to people collecting vouchers, especially new guild hall builders. Gutted.

I would be genuinely surprised if this is the case.

I don't feel trait stones were ever the issue with jewlery, once they removed swift, as that had a voucher cost, but they did that almost immediately.

Just from doing writs, surveys, and deconstructing base trait jewelry, I have literally thousands (tens of thousands of some) of full materials of the trait materials that are "pulverized" (3 base traits and titanium), the exception is aurbic amber, but that's the 5th most common as it drops from psijic nodes, I only have hundreds, the rest only drop in full versions, the only way to get pulverized is to deconstruct jewelry in that trait. So, there is literally no change... and the ones you get pulverized drop in far higher quantities.

I personally don't really see this changing anything... certainly not a "big blow". That said, change it, or don't. Those 4 pulverized trait materials are already rock bottom priced, you can't even sell the base game ones. Aurbic amber is in the middle, but farmable. And the others have no change in sourcing, and only rarely even exist in a pulverized form

Depending on where chromium ends up landing in price, gold jewelry writs might still not be worth doing for the chromium alone, they were already 4-5x more expensive in material costs to do over the value you could sell master writ voucher items for, much like other master writs, like gold clothing, hakeijo enchanting, and perfect roe provisioning has long been a loss in value for years. You'd be better off just selling the materials, buying other master writs and doing those.

lillybit

tmbrinks wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Just realised jewelry master writs will be even less viable after the change because the traits are a bigger barrier than platings. With purple being similar values to current blues, and gold half that amount of current purples, I don't really see them being worth doing for any except the original 3 traits - maybe

Currently I do all purple and gold but blue I only do in arcane, robust and healthy so new purples will be the same. I'm really not sure if 100 vouchers is enough to justify the rare trait stones for gold, so they could end up being junked too.

This could be a big blow to people collecting vouchers, especially new guild hall builders. Gutted.

I would be genuinely surprised if this is the case.

I don't feel trait stones were ever the issue with jewlery, once they removed swift, as that had a voucher cost, but they did that almost immediately.

Just from doing writs, surveys, and deconstructing base trait jewelry, I have literally thousands (tens of thousands of some) of full materials of the trait materials that are "pulverized" (3 base traits and titanium), the exception is aurbic amber, but that's the 5th most common as it drops from psijic nodes, I only have hundreds, the rest only drop in full versions, the only way to get pulverized is to deconstruct jewelry in that trait. So, there is literally no change... and the ones you get pulverized drop in far higher quantities.

I personally don't really see this changing anything... certainly not a "big blow". That said, change it, or don't. Those 4 pulverized trait materials are already rock bottom priced, you can't even sell the base game ones. Aurbic amber is in the middle, but farmable. And the others have no change in sourcing, and only rarely even exist in a pulverized form

Depending on where chromium ends up landing in price, gold jewelry writs might still not be worth doing for the chromium alone, they were already 4-5x more expensive in material costs to do over the value you could sell master writ voucher items for, much like other master writs, like gold clothing, hakeijo enchanting, and perfect roe provisioning has long been a loss in value for years. You'd be better off just selling the materials, buying other master writs and doing those.

Different platforms, different rules I guess. Although I have a PC account it's just really for checking out PTS and I play on Playstation, and that's my perspective as a PS player. I do max level writs on all 20 characters, decon everything, and tho I have a big backlog of surveys I've done hundreds in the last couple of weeks and I definitely do not have 'literally thousands' of trait mats. I don't even have hundreds.

Prices for trait mats here are very variable from trader to trader, but you can look at up to 10k each. (Amber is currently not to be found for under 20k but tbf I don't buy them often enough to know if that's normal because I usually trash blue infused writs). That's not justifiable for under 30 vouchers even if I have plenty of purple plates, when I can do a gold clothing one that costs me nothing and gets me more vouchers.

We reached the same conclusion from different directions tho; for whatever reason jewelry writs won't be worth doing after the change.

karthrag_inak

This one wonders if the rare and delightful prize of a full chromium plating he would sometimes receive from daily crafting writs will still be replicated (i.e. 10 platings).

lillybit

karthrag_inak wrote: »

This one wonders if the rare and delightful prize of a full chromium plating he would sometimes receive from daily crafting writs will still be replicated (i.e. 10 platings).

At the moment it seems to be. There's still the same gaurenteed drop, it's just changed to platings.

Tatanko

lillybit wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

This one wonders if the rare and delightful prize of a full chromium plating he would sometimes receive from daily crafting writs will still be replicated (i.e. 10 platings).

At the moment it seems to be. There's still the same gaurenteed drop, it's just changed to platings.

That doesn't guarantee we'll get a 10 plating drop. Unless someone has seen it happen, I'm inclined to believe it won't.

Why not? Because getting a whole plating was itself a means to push back against the grains-to-platings system that is unique to jewelry. If the goal of this rebalance is to make jewelry similar to the other equipment crafts, dropping 10 platings would be unlike every other craft -- there we potentially get 2, not 10. I see it being the same for jewelry moving forward.

Sachsen71

So if we have blue jewelry writs after the update, will they just... not work?

freespirit

Sachsen71 wrote: »

So if we have blue jewelry writs after the update, will they just... not work?

No the ones you have already will still work, after the update blue writs will no longer drop. 🙂

lillybit

Tatanko wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

This one wonders if the rare and delightful prize of a full chromium plating he would sometimes receive from daily crafting writs will still be replicated (i.e. 10 platings).

At the moment it seems to be. There's still the same gaurenteed drop, it's just changed to platings.

That doesn't guarantee we'll get a 10 plating drop. Unless someone has seen it happen, I'm inclined to believe it won't.

Why not? Because getting a whole plating was itself a means to push back against the grains-to-platings system that is unique to jewelry. If the goal of this rebalance is to make jewelry similar to the other equipment crafts, dropping 10 platings would be unlike every other craft -- there we potentially get 2, not 10. I see it being the same for jewelry moving forward.

Someone has seen it, it's in this thread. They got 10 zircon from a writ reward. I wasn't just pulling the answer out of the air

Edit to add source:

LonePirate wrote: »

I completed a regular, daily jewelry crafting writ and the reward box for the writ contained 10 Zircon platings. That seems a bit excessive if jewelry crafting is to resemble the other crafting disciplines. I would have expected a single Zircon plating for the reward.

Also, where is the Jewelry Hireling passive skill? That should have been added with this rebalance.

acastanza_ESO

During the reveal stream it was mentioned that Golden Vendor prices would be adjusted to reflect the devaluation of gold jewelry. It appears that this has not happened yet. I just wanted to confirm that this is still on the radar for U40, yes? @ZOS_GinaBruno?

Golden Vendor on PTS right now:



Identical Golden Vendor on Live right now:

acastanza_ESO

In another thread XSTRONG pointed out that the Tel Var merchants that sell gold jewelry will also need to have their Tel Var cost rebalanced.

tomofhyrule

Furnishing Crafting sketches are also not rebalanced.

Furnishings which originally required 1 plating to make now require 10 to make. While this matches the previous amount, it seems odd to use that much - there is no other discipline where 10 gold mats are required to make a single furnishing.

Also the trait mats still having grains feels like an oversight as well.