PTS Update 40 - Bug Reports for Grand Master Crafting Stations

Four_Fingers

BOP tells me they just may show up in the crown store later.

BergisMacBride

Just curious if anyone has tested the current version of the WritWorthy addon with the new stations? Haven’t had time to get on PTS to check them out. I’ve seen nothing on it here and the ESOUI forum has nothing so far.

> 95% of the time I’m using my stations for master writs. I probably won’t get the GM stations if they don’t work with the addon.

Also, the stations should only bind when the first station is uploaded. That way folks could buy them and give them to friends/guildies or sell them to folks who might not want to grind the writs for the 6000 vouchers.

BetweenMidgets

I agree, these should not be BoP....

I also agree these should be Collectibles, and be able to be placed in multiple houses.

Also.. that blacksmithing station.....
It is ENORMOUS. It is lovely, but was there no standardization or thought given to this at all? Good heavens, that department definitely didn't think this through...

TX12001rwb17_ESO

I am disappointed in how large they are, they will not even fit in my crafting room.

Sordidfairytale

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

I agree, these should not be BoP....

I also agree these should be Collectibles, and be able to be placed in multiple houses.

Also.. that blacksmithing station.....
It is ENORMOUS. It is lovely, but was there no standardization or thought given to this at all? Good heavens, that department definitely didn't think this through...

Yes, it would be nice if the Blacksmithing station was the same depth as the other stations. It feels like you're setting pins climbing around that thing.

Also, occassionally when you are in "precision edit" mode and you left click to set the station in place they move slightly. Not a big deal. But at 1500 vouchers, I'd hope they behaved a bit better.

Sordidfairytale

For reference:

Grand Master Woodworking Station
Width: 3.63m
Height: 2.77m
Depth: 2.26m

Grand Master Clothing Station
Width: 3.93m
Height: 2.69m
Depth: 1.67m

Grand Master Jewelry Station
Width: 3.22m
Height: 2.64m
Depth: 1.66m

Grand Master Blacksmithing Station
Width: 4.07m
Height: 2.94m
Depth: 4.59m

The Blacksmithing station reminds me of this guy.

Kelinmiriel

lillybit wrote: »

Hamfast wrote: »

... Gardner House in Wayrest comes to mind as the closest house to a writ turn-in. ...

Snugpod in Grahtwood is just a few steps away from turning in Master Writs, and also has a lot of other location advantages, like being very close to the Undaunted Camp for pledges, the stables for new characters to train mounts, an outlaw refuge (need to watch out a bit for guards if you have a bounty, but it's not hard to evade), and it's not far from respec shrines.

This might also be a really good solution for console players who prefer to go back and forth between guild house and Rolis to do all their master writs. (Personally, I used to just look at what needed to be done for each one and create the things by hand before I started using Writworthy, but I recognize that it doesn't work for everyone to use that method.)

Snugpod can't hold all the extra stuff like Mundus stones, but it should still have enough room for a merchant, banker, ragpicker, and armory station.

Plus it's silly - having a Snugpod guild crafting hall.

Hotdog_23

DoofusMax wrote: »

I'll echo some of the comments already here.

The stations should not be Bind on Pickup. This severely disadvantages guildhall owners who have not completed the Grand Master Crafter achievement and may be relying on donations from their members to stock/equip their guildhalls. Along those same lines, I'm unsure why "Grand Master Crafter" was set as the requirement for purchase. If an achievement of some sort is absolutely necessary, some level of the "Unsurpassed Crafter" achievement would make more sense since writ vouchers are the currency and you get the achievement by earning the currency. I'm of mixed mind on the cost (1500 vouchers vs 250 for a regular attunable). It's pretty much in line with the usual pay-for-convenience reasoning that goes with a lot of stuff, but that's still a lot of Master Writs as the cost of freeing up furnishing slots. I was honestly expecting the cost to be more in line with the cost of a normal attunable station (which we're still going to have to pay for to make the AIO station useful).

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

PC from my understanding has cool add-ons that enable the ability to do lots of writs before turning in. We poor console players have to jump through lots of needless loading screens to do the same thing. Greatly increasing the time doing writs comparably. Please throw use a bone here. I know you want people to use towns, but a little QOL improvement here would mean a lot.

What the PC add-ons are actually doing can already be done on console in that they help with making the writ item(s) ahead of time. All platforms are limited to one active Master Writ in each craft, so those of use who use add-ons for Master Writs end up making a bunch of stuff, then stand in front of Hlaalu and spend a lot of time accepting a writ, turn it in, accept a writ, turn it in, accept a writ, turn it in... until we've exhausted the stuff we've made. Console players can already do the same. Where console comes up a bit short here is that there is greater opportunity for Mr. Fumble Fingers to come visit and you end up with one or more pieces that don't meet the writ's requirements. It's not the loading screens and transitions as much as the possibility of mis-clicking in the making.

To play Devil's Advocate on the assistants proposal, those are Special Collectibles and there is a limit of 5 (10 with ESO Plus) on the largest homes.With five service assistants already out there, non-subscribers either sub or do without one, and asking to have furnishing limits increased to accommodate is akin to flogging a dead horse at this point. It's an interesting idea, but it runs into practical limits.

No, the real issue for console is it is true that we can make many extra writs ahead of time and turn them too. I have done this many times before. The problem is, you need either write down what the writ is or take a picture of each and every writ you want to make. Then make a bunch ahead of time.

Which also eliminates the help of checking the box and the system only showing what is exactly needed for each writ. Since you can only hold one at a time. You must manually select everything needed for each and every writ. Thus, if you don’t want to risk Mr. Fumble Fingers, you go through lots of extra loading screens to prevent mistakes.  Which equals a lot of extra time, needlessly.

With some many different styles in the game that are not in alphabetic order, playing hunt and find takes a lot of time. Plus console has no search feature either to find said style. We are regulated to shifting through over a hundred styles to find the one we need each and every time, which also takes a lot of time that apparently PC does not deal with.

As far as the limit on assistants. I would gladly give up Pirharri the Smuggler for a Master Merchant Assistant in a guild hall or personal home.

While playing today and making potions, a thought popped up that a Master enchantment and Alchemy table that would show each potion and enchantment instead of playing hunt and find the right combinations would also be nice. To make it extremely useful, it would also let use be able to make a favorites list.

King_*** I have also made this same request numerous times before over the past years. Just thought it was an appropriate time to make the request again and hope it is not again ignored.

Stay safe

EF321

I would also like these to be collectible and not traditional furnishing, but I am fine with these being BOP and not tradable and the cost and GMC requirement.

There's been a lot of comments on forums regarding "not enough stuff in game to earn and everything is locked behind crown store", they give opportunity to earn something in-game for once and look at the response.

Kelinmiriel

EF321 wrote: »

I would also like these to be collectible and not traditional furnishing, but I am fine with these being BOP and not tradable and the cost and GMC requirement.

There's been a lot of comments on forums regarding "not enough stuff in game to earn and everything is locked behind crown store", they give opportunity to earn something in-game for once and look at the response.

I haven't seen many people complaining that they can be earned in game. Only that we are forced to earn them on a specific account, and many of us were already prepared for the cost of it to be covered by the guild, not by the GM.

It's going to be a lot harder to backtrack with only a month's notice, and we're all going to want this as soon as it drops.

For those whining about the achievement, remember that we have AwA now - the achievement of Master Crafter is trivial now, especially if your guild is helping you with mats and intricates. Each character can do research on different traits, which only takes six hours max, if they haven't done it before. Every character that learns the basic racial styles, counts toward the 50 styles you have to learn. Base game has multi-craft and mass decon. It's really not that big a deal anymore.

It took me over a year to do all the research, and another year to get all the styles. You could do it now in a day or two.

But the 6k vouchers - that's a pain.

lillybit

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

DoofusMax wrote: »

I'll echo some of the comments already here.

The stations should not be Bind on Pickup. This severely disadvantages guildhall owners who have not completed the Grand Master Crafter achievement and may be relying on donations from their members to stock/equip their guildhalls. Along those same lines, I'm unsure why "Grand Master Crafter" was set as the requirement for purchase. If an achievement of some sort is absolutely necessary, some level of the "Unsurpassed Crafter" achievement would make more sense since writ vouchers are the currency and you get the achievement by earning the currency. I'm of mixed mind on the cost (1500 vouchers vs 250 for a regular attunable). It's pretty much in line with the usual pay-for-convenience reasoning that goes with a lot of stuff, but that's still a lot of Master Writs as the cost of freeing up furnishing slots. I was honestly expecting the cost to be more in line with the cost of a normal attunable station (which we're still going to have to pay for to make the AIO station useful).

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

PC from my understanding has cool add-ons that enable the ability to do lots of writs before turning in. We poor console players have to jump through lots of needless loading screens to do the same thing. Greatly increasing the time doing writs comparably. Please throw use a bone here. I know you want people to use towns, but a little QOL improvement here would mean a lot.

What the PC add-ons are actually doing can already be done on console in that they help with making the writ item(s) ahead of time. All platforms are limited to one active Master Writ in each craft, so those of use who use add-ons for Master Writs end up making a bunch of stuff, then stand in front of Hlaalu and spend a lot of time accepting a writ, turn it in, accept a writ, turn it in, accept a writ, turn it in... until we've exhausted the stuff we've made. Console players can already do the same. Where console comes up a bit short here is that there is greater opportunity for Mr. Fumble Fingers to come visit and you end up with one or more pieces that don't meet the writ's requirements. It's not the loading screens and transitions as much as the possibility of mis-clicking in the making.

To play Devil's Advocate on the assistants proposal, those are Special Collectibles and there is a limit of 5 (10 with ESO Plus) on the largest homes.With five service assistants already out there, non-subscribers either sub or do without one, and asking to have furnishing limits increased to accommodate is akin to flogging a dead horse at this point. It's an interesting idea, but it runs into practical limits.

No, the real issue for console is it is true that we can make many extra writs ahead of time and turn them too. I have done this many times before. The problem is, you need either write down what the writ is or take a picture of each and every writ you want to make. Then make a bunch ahead of time.

Which also eliminates the help of checking the box and the system only showing what is exactly needed for each writ. Since you can only hold one at a time. You must manually select everything needed for each and every writ. Thus, if you don’t want to risk Mr. Fumble Fingers, you go through lots of extra loading screens to prevent mistakes.  Which equals a lot of extra time, needlessly.

With some many different styles in the game that are not in alphabetic order, playing hunt and find takes a lot of time. Plus console has no search feature either to find said style. We are regulated to shifting through over a hundred styles to find the one we need each and every time, which also takes a lot of time that apparently PC does not deal with.

As far as the limit on assistants. I would gladly give up Pirharri the Smuggler for a Master Merchant Assistant in a guild hall or personal home.

While playing today and making potions, a thought popped up that a Master enchantment and Alchemy table that would show each potion and enchantment instead of playing hunt and find the right combinations would also be nice. To make it extremely useful, it would also let use be able to make a favorites list.

King_*** I have also made this same request numerous times before over the past years. Just thought it was an appropriate time to make the request again and hope it is not again ignored.

Stay safe

I always bulk craft on console, I went from jotting them down on the back of an envelope to using a spreadsheet. That lets me do hundreds at a time and I almost never make a mistake. It's a very nice spreadsheet, but it would be great if there was a better option!

WhiteCoatSyndrome

lillybit wrote: »

SHRMark wrote: »

They work well and I can see why they are bind on pickup due to the achievement requirement. Will the crown store versions require the achievement too?

There are no crown store versions, it's vouchers or nothing

Yet. There are no Crown Store versions yet. We all know they’re going to come, sooner or later.

I guess I should wait until the patch drops, then sell all the Writs I don’t have the crafting knowledge for.

ghastley

Since a set costs 6000 vouchers, the guildmaster (or rather, the guildhall owner, as this may not be the sme person) who wants them will have to do enough master writs to buy them that they can't avoid becoming a Grand Master Crafter.

The problem is the BoP setting. I have no problem with only a Grand Master being able to use them , in the sense of adding the attuned tables, but they should not be bound until placed, so guild members can contribute them to the guild, as we currently do with the individua tables.

I would expect the majority of accounts that need the conversion of a sea of individual tables to a master set are guildhall owners. Very few will be solo collectors.

lillybit

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

SHRMark wrote: »

They work well and I can see why they are bind on pickup due to the achievement requirement. Will the crown store versions require the achievement too?

There are no crown store versions, it's vouchers or nothing

Yet. There are no Crown Store versions yet. We all know they’re going to come, sooner or later.

I guess I should wait until the patch drops, then sell all the Writs I don’t have the crafting knowledge for.

Attunables aren't in the crown store either so I dont see why these would be any different.

Capricas_Kirito

[Snip]. So, the bug and it is a game breaker with the UI for all of the Grandmaster stations is the Overlapping UI elements. I had to disable Perfect Pixle so this



is the strait UI, Many of the functions are unusable because of the overlap.

My feedback will be in the feedback thread

[Edited for minor bait]

Dack_Janiels

Capricas_Kirito wrote: »

[Snip]. So, the bug and it is a game breaker with the UI for all of the Grandmaster stations is the Overlapping UI elements. I had to disable Perfect Pixle so this



is the strait UI, Many of the functions are unusable because of the overlap.

My feedback will be in the feedback thread

Post that in picture and description in PerfectPixels addon comments. The dev is probably aware, but it would hurt. https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info2103-PerfectPixel.html#comments

[Edited quote]

Kelinmiriel

It's still a valid question as to whether it's intentional that the sets are BoP or whether that's a bug, which could belong in either thread. But I confess, I spotted this thread about the new stations, and didn't catch that it was for bugs, not feedback. Since I'm often most concerned with ticket events, which frequently don't get a thread at all - it didn't even cross my mind that there might be more than one thread.

Thanks for pointing it out.

Nienna001

I was so excited for this but now and am gutted. I personally think they are far to expensive, I do crafting dalies and master writs when I can, but even still I only have 800 writ vouchers. I can't see a way of getting 5,200 any time soon.

When you add in the cost of actually getting attunable stations to feed it, they 1500 voucher cost for one Master Crafting station seems ludicrous to me. The cost should be in getting the attunable stations, not the Master stations especially since you have to have an achievement to even buy the Master stations anyway, a lot of time and effort has already been put in by many just to get the achievement.

Bind on pickup is horrible too because I can't even buy them from another player now, which for the foreseeable future I couldn't anyway with Crown selling down, but once its up again i could get enough gold to buy a set from another player but with BoP that option is out.

Just feels like a let down and another feature that only serves veteran players and those who make the game their whole life. I really was hoping for something that was a little more accessible for everyone.

It could have been a great QoL addition that also doubled as a cool 'reward' (by making them more affordable) for getting Grand Master Crafter but the implementation of it is terrible, far too expensive and BoP means those who could get gold to buy of other players are still out of luck.

Tannus15

Honestly the bop / achievement lock is a one off problem. If they leave it as is no one will care when update 41 drops

Imo the more important issue is either making them a collectable or unlocking a set be account wide so that they can be placed in multiple houses.

Silaf

Nienna001 wrote: »

. Just feels like a let down and another feature that only serves veteran players and those who make the game their whole life. I really was hoping for something that was a little more accessible for everyone.

Ehm actually veteran players have little to no consideration in this game. Vertical progression is borderline inexistent and all you can purchase are cosmetics inferior to the crown store.

Even the master crafting stations can be used with no effort simply by entering the house of a player that collected them all.


I actually want to ask the opposite: shoulden't a player that invested so much in crafting be rewarded in some why? Why everyone can simply access the stations for free?

tmbrinks

The 6,000 vouchers for the stations are less than 1/10th the cost of the 77,000 you need to get all of the attunables. I think the price is more than fair, and provides a way to reward those who are dedicated to crafting.

Those who only get the attunables for the 4-5 most common sets can have the 16-20 stations in their homes, every house can handle them.

These are for guild halls and houses of those who have completely dedicated themselves to crafting, so it should take some crafting to get them.

Grand Master Crafter achievement is ridiculously easy to get now with account wide achievements... just learn the base game racial motifs (which you can buy for like 150g each on PC/NA, the most expensive server), on like 6 characters (every account get 8 or 9 free slots, you can even learn them and then delete the character right away). It might very well be the title that lost the most meaning with the introduction of AwA, it used to actually mean something.

Only complaint I have is that it would be nice if they were a collectible, much like the storage chests you can buy, to use in other homes, but even that is a 1% complaint while I'm absolutely thrilled with the other 99% of this change as it hit nearly every important aspect that several of us have been asking for for years.

1. Doesn't destroy the value of attunable stations - one of the few valuable things purchasable w/ vouchers.
2. Rewards crafters, uses crafter currency.
3. Reduces clutter in the homes.
4. Will save TONS of time doing master writs.

tldr... I'm absolutely thrilled with these, and the implementation of them is actually considerate of many factors, and is not going to completely destroy the value of crafting master writs, which was my greatest fear when they were first teased these.

Thank you.

wolfie1.0.

Kelinmiriel wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

I would also like these to be collectible and not traditional furnishing, but I am fine with these being BOP and not tradable and the cost and GMC requirement.

There's been a lot of comments on forums regarding "not enough stuff in game to earn and everything is locked behind crown store", they give opportunity to earn something in-game for once and look at the response.

I haven't seen many people complaining that they can be earned in game. Only that we are forced to earn them on a specific account, and many of us were already prepared for the cost of it to be covered by the guild, not by the GM.

It's going to be a lot harder to backtrack with only a month's notice, and we're all going to want this as soon as it drops.

For those whining about the achievement, remember that we have AwA now - the achievement of Master Crafter is trivial now, especially if your guild is helping you with mats and intricates. Each character can do research on different traits, which only takes six hours max, if they haven't done it before. Every character that learns the basic racial styles, counts toward the 50 styles you have to learn. Base game has multi-craft and mass decon. It's really not that big a deal anymore.

It took me over a year to do all the research, and another year to get all the styles. You could do it now in a day or two.

But the 6k vouchers - that's a pain.

my reasoning for complaining about the achievement is that the achievement requirement is the ONLY real reason that these are BoP.

The achievement itself is actually a meaningless one ever since AWA. It is in fact a joke. Which is why it shouldn't be a requirement for obtaining these, and why it shouldn't be a BoP item. so if the achievement is not a high one, and its the ONLY thing barring a Bind on Feed, or being a collectible... then it should just be removed.

loveeso

Grand Master Crafting Stations are a step in the right direction but they desperately need improvement:

• they should not be "bind on pickup" - in many guilds, the burden of furnishing the guild house is shared among senior members of the guild; having them "bind on pickup" makes this impossible and puts even more burden on the already overburdened guild masters; healthy and thriving guilds = healthy and thriving community, more players, and higher retention
• we should be able to lock them to prevent accidental loss - destroying one, especially after you fed almost a hundred attuned stations to it, would be catastrophic
• attunement level (I.e. how many and which set-attuned stations one has fed to their grandmaster stations) should be stored using the grand master station owner’s new account achievement(s), it should not be per station - this will prevent HUGE accidental loss of almost a hundred attuned stations when someone accidentally destroys their grand master station; it would also encourage people to work on more than one house - getting 400 attunable stations PER each house one wants to decorate is unrealistic and off putting
• they should be much cheaper to get - by itself, a grand master station does LESS than a simple attuned station - one must still spend vouchers to get all the attuned stations in order for the grand master station to be useful; why make it even more expensive than it already is for guild masters? Especially if the goal is to ameliorate the negative effects of the historically bad design decision that overly limited space for items in our houses; if the reason for this unreasonably high price is the idea to sell them in the crown store then it would be a dark pattern in game design and as such should be abandoned

Hope this helps, thanks

The above idea comes from the following thread we keep, where everyone is encouraged to share their ideas of new features and improvements:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/640937/eso-kaizen-u40-u41-based-on-the-other-games-you-know-how-would-you-improve-eso#latest

tincanman

lillybit wrote: »

SHRMark wrote: »

They work well and I can see why they are bind on pickup due to the achievement requirement. Will the crown store versions require the achievement too?

There are no crown store versions, it's vouchers or nothing

I expect there will be in due course.

tincanman

tmbrinks wrote: »

...Grand Master Crafter achievement is ridiculously easy to get now with account wide achievements... just learn the base game racial motifs (which you can buy for like 150g each on PC/NA, the most expensive server), on like 6 characters (every account get 8 or 9 free slots, you can even learn them and then delete the character right away). It might very well be the title that lost the most meaning with the introduction of AwA, it used to actually mean something.....

This is worth repeating: post-awa, the whole 'master crafter' achievement is pretty much a joke and a meaningless 'achievement'.

tincanman

BOP would be nice but not a deal-breaker.

A slimline blacksmith station of similar dimensions to the others would be nice.

As a collectible like storage boxes would be fantastic.

Hope the add-ons/api will be updated to work with them.

Overall: pretty awesome and much needed addition.

Thanks.

Veesk

***Updating because the addons now work!

Varana

From me as well, it would be really helpful if these were not bind-on-pickup. At least the non-attuned version you buy from the vendor; I'm fine with them becoming BOP when they have been fed a station.
But them being BOP unnecessarily punishes guilds that don't have a guildmaster who is deep into crafting, and instead have worked together to build their crafting hall. It also would've been nice to have known that when the stations were announced, instead of just now.
Please reconsider this. I can't think of a reason why the stations should be BOP.

xyphrum

I'm missing the option to craft in a certain quality directly. Just as in the transmute station I can select the quality.

Also I'm missing the "quick" improvement button that improves a certain item to the desired quality immediately.
Maybe even let me select multiple pieces and upgrade them all at once.

Crafting a 5 piece gear set and upgrading everything to legendary quality takes way too long currently.

sharkclanb16_ESO

Very sad to see that these stations are Bind on Pickup, it will end 9 years of our guild members kindly donating benches to our guild hall. Like lots of guilds the effort that has gone into getting all the benches has been a huge team effort across all our guilds and members.

Given our guild house owner has been unable to play for a long period and it is them that needs to go and craft the 6000 writs to make the benches (as opposed to placing the benches gifted by members) its looking like we will not be able to add the new benches.

I would urge the devs to reconsider the idea to make them bind on pickup, if the concern is people selling them then make then not sellable in another way.