I had someone immediately quit when we pugged into normal Black Drake Villa. They're loss, we 3 player'd it pretty smoothly.
Ragnarok0130 wrote: »I had someone immediately quit when we pugged into normal Black Drake Villa. They're loss, we 3 player'd it pretty smoothly.
I'd rather have a fake tank drop as soon as we phase in rather than have them running all over the map in circles with a bow making life difficult for the rest of the group. My tank companion is better than any fake tank that I've met in game.
After a long time, not running dungeons, just to stay away from the madnes. Started to que again in dungeon Finder, as Im leveling a new DD.
My arcanist was at the time I started queing lvl 17. I qued random normal several times. Que time was 5-10 minutes - specific dungeons, very long as we all know.
There is no excuse for fake queing, and this is on consol EU.
I will not mention, what I saw in there. That said. Oh dear cp 2200+. One run went very well, as the group as a whole, where in control of the fight the, whole time..
Something have happen to the overall queality to pugs.
boi_anachronism_ wrote: »After a long time, not running dungeons, just to stay away from the madnes. Started to que again in dungeon Finder, as Im leveling a new DD.
My arcanist was at the time I started queing lvl 17. I qued random normal several times. Que time was 5-10 minutes - specific dungeons, very long as we all know.
There is no excuse for fake queing, and this is on consol EU.
I will not mention, what I saw in there. That said. Oh dear cp 2200+. One run went very well, as the group as a whole, where in control of the fight the, whole time..
Something have happen to the overall queality to pugs.
Ok let me note something here for tanks specifically: there is insane expecions on takes with high cp and yet not a single person will consider that the tank may very well be the first one they have ever made. They may have gone through the entire game to high cp before making one. I was above 1800cp when i made mine. I took off my trifecta title and put a pvp one on bc the expectation is that if you are high cp you must already be an insanely good tank. I had gone through the game up to that point almost solely dd and sometimes as a healer.
boi_anachronism_ wrote: »After a long time, not running dungeons, just to stay away from the madnes. Started to que again in dungeon Finder, as Im leveling a new DD.
My arcanist was at the time I started queing lvl 17. I qued random normal several times. Que time was 5-10 minutes - specific dungeons, very long as we all know.
There is no excuse for fake queing, and this is on consol EU.
I will not mention, what I saw in there. That said. Oh dear cp 2200+. One run went very well, as the group as a whole, where in control of the fight the, whole time..
Something have happen to the overall queality to pugs.
Ok let me note something here for tanks specifically: there is insane expecions on takes with high cp and yet not a single person will consider that the tank may very well be the first one they have ever made. They may have gone through the entire game to high cp before making one. I was above 1800cp when i made mine. I took off my trifecta title and put a pvp one on bc the expectation is that if you are high cp you must already be an insanely good tank. I had gone through the game up to that point almost solely dd and sometimes as a healer.
I do agree. I think it would be a good idea in a pug situation, inform the group Im new at tanking. It sadens me as yesterday, I lost a tank, which don´t happen often as a healer. I had to go backbar and dd, as I was bombarded by adds over the place. That´s when I saw the tank was new - np here it´s ok.
I did go on backbar as the dd´s didn´t take care of the adds - I would be concentrating on the tank. It was a dlc dungeon on norm.
I have three tanks - dk, warden and Arcanisk. The later is round the + 40 level. I a day or so it will be cp 2200+
I don´t know, what will happen, when he goes live. My dd Arcanist is 25 if I remember right, and done some dungeons with her.
From my perspective, the two dd´s and the tank knew eachother - they stayed together, so in that case they should have turned around and engaged the adds, who bombarded us - they didn´t
AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
boi_anachronism_ wrote: »AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
Bro. This attitude is so problematic its not even funny. Im 1800cp and i just built my tank 2 weeks ago. It took forever for me to decide to try it because of exactly this attitude. The expectations on hight cp tanks are mind blowing. Its stressful, especially for trial tanks. You missing one block can wipe the group. Im competent,
i can toss down buffs and debuffs and not die but I dont know every mechanic because guess what? They are different for tanks compared to dps. Its a steep learning curve.
boi_anachronism_ wrote: »AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
Bro. This attitude is so problematic its not even funny. Im 1800cp and i just built my tank 2 weeks ago. It took forever for me to decide to try it because of exactly this attitude. The expectations on hight cp tanks are mind blowing. Its stressful, especially for trial tanks. You missing one block can wipe the group. Im competent,
i can toss down buffs and debuffs and not die but I dont know every mechanic because guess what? They are different for tanks compared to dps. Its a steep learning curve.
100% agree. This is why my tank got no further than a few sets put on a characteras a CP2000+ player. Never queued in the dungeon finder as a tank
boi_anachronism_ wrote: »AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
Bro. This attitude is so problematic its not even funny. Im 1800cp and i just built my tank 2 weeks ago. It took forever for me to decide to try it because of exactly this attitude. The expectations on hight cp tanks are mind blowing. Its stressful, especially for trial tanks. You missing one block can wipe the group. Im competent,
i can toss down buffs and debuffs and not die but I dont know every mechanic because guess what? They are different for tanks compared to dps. Its a steep learning curve.
ForzaRammer wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
Bro. This attitude is so problematic its not even funny. Im 1800cp and i just built my tank 2 weeks ago. It took forever for me to decide to try it because of exactly this attitude. The expectations on hight cp tanks are mind blowing. Its stressful, especially for trial tanks. You missing one block can wipe the group. Im competent,
i can toss down buffs and debuffs and not die but I dont know every mechanic because guess what? They are different for tanks compared to dps. Its a steep learning curve.
And some people love to give “advice”. The most insane “advice” i ever got: LA weave instead of HA.
Basically self sabotage stam sustain for <2k dps.
And the “don’t run ice staff run lightning staff” in the past or “block mit is not important, don’t use def stance (or bracing anchor)”
ForzaRammer wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
Bro. This attitude is so problematic its not even funny. Im 1800cp and i just built my tank 2 weeks ago. It took forever for me to decide to try it because of exactly this attitude. The expectations on hight cp tanks are mind blowing. Its stressful, especially for trial tanks. You missing one block can wipe the group. Im competent,
i can toss down buffs and debuffs and not die but I dont know every mechanic because guess what? They are different for tanks compared to dps. Its a steep learning curve.
And some people love to give “advice”. The most insane “advice” i ever got: LA weave instead of HA.
Basically self sabotage stam sustain for <2k dps.
And the “don’t run ice staff run lightning staff” in the past or “block mit is not important, don’t use def stance (or bracing anchor)”
ForzaRammer wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
Bro. This attitude is so problematic its not even funny. Im 1800cp and i just built my tank 2 weeks ago. It took forever for me to decide to try it because of exactly this attitude. The expectations on hight cp tanks are mind blowing. Its stressful, especially for trial tanks. You missing one block can wipe the group. Im competent,
i can toss down buffs and debuffs and not die but I dont know every mechanic because guess what? They are different for tanks compared to dps. Its a steep learning curve.
And some people love to give “advice”. The most insane “advice” i ever got: LA weave instead of HA.
Basically self sabotage stam sustain for <2k dps.
And the “don’t run ice staff run lightning staff” in the past or “block mit is not important, don’t use def stance (or bracing anchor)”
Ice staff is pretty ok to use on a dd. See it used from time to time, if people haven´t been scared, by other´s, who think they know best, which they don´t.
"hey are you using Ice Staff" ? Yes good observation - did you also see I kill stuff
Use, what´s best for you, and work for you. Have even seen raiders use Ice Staff
boi_anachronism_ wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
Bro. This attitude is so problematic its not even funny. Im 1800cp and i just built my tank 2 weeks ago. It took forever for me to decide to try it because of exactly this attitude. The expectations on hight cp tanks are mind blowing. Its stressful, especially for trial tanks. You missing one block can wipe the group. Im competent,
i can toss down buffs and debuffs and not die but I dont know every mechanic because guess what? They are different for tanks compared to dps. Its a steep learning curve.
And some people love to give “advice”. The most insane “advice” i ever got: LA weave instead of HA.
Basically self sabotage stam sustain for <2k dps.
And the “don’t run ice staff run lightning staff” in the past or “block mit is not important, don’t use def stance (or bracing anchor)”
Ice staff is pretty ok to use on a dd. See it used from time to time, if people haven´t been scared, by other´s, who think they know best, which they don´t.
"hey are you using Ice Staff" ? Yes good observation - did you also see I kill stuff
Use, what´s best for you, and work for you. Have even seen raiders use Ice Staff
Wardens use ice staffs commonly for a multitude of reasons..... derp
boi_anachronism_ wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
Bro. This attitude is so problematic its not even funny. Im 1800cp and i just built my tank 2 weeks ago. It took forever for me to decide to try it because of exactly this attitude. The expectations on hight cp tanks are mind blowing. Its stressful, especially for trial tanks. You missing one block can wipe the group. Im competent,
i can toss down buffs and debuffs and not die but I dont know every mechanic because guess what? They are different for tanks compared to dps. Its a steep learning curve.
And some people love to give “advice”. The most insane “advice” i ever got: LA weave instead of HA.
Basically self sabotage stam sustain for <2k dps.
And the “don’t run ice staff run lightning staff” in the past or “block mit is not important, don’t use def stance (or bracing anchor)”
Ice staff is pretty ok to use on a dd. See it used from time to time, if people haven´t been scared, by other´s, who think they know best, which they don´t.
"hey are you using Ice Staff" ? Yes good observation - did you also see I kill stuff
Use, what´s best for you, and work for you. Have even seen raiders use Ice Staff
Wardens use ice staffs commonly for a multitude of reasons..... derp
It´s alway´s nice to be called a "derp" = stupid. All forgiven. I have seen on other´s than Warden. How would you know, what I have seen anyway
I have a Warden Tank and use it on that character. I also use it on other charaters with good results - ofc without been called a derp
boi_anachronism_ wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
Bro. This attitude is so problematic its not even funny. Im 1800cp and i just built my tank 2 weeks ago. It took forever for me to decide to try it because of exactly this attitude. The expectations on hight cp tanks are mind blowing. Its stressful, especially for trial tanks. You missing one block can wipe the group. Im competent,
i can toss down buffs and debuffs and not die but I dont know every mechanic because guess what? They are different for tanks compared to dps. Its a steep learning curve.
And some people love to give “advice”. The most insane “advice” i ever got: LA weave instead of HA.
Basically self sabotage stam sustain for <2k dps.
And the “don’t run ice staff run lightning staff” in the past or “block mit is not important, don’t use def stance (or bracing anchor)”
Ice staff is pretty ok to use on a dd. See it used from time to time, if people haven´t been scared, by other´s, who think they know best, which they don´t.
"hey are you using Ice Staff" ? Yes good observation - did you also see I kill stuff
Use, what´s best for you, and work for you. Have even seen raiders use Ice Staff
Wardens use ice staffs commonly for a multitude of reasons..... derp
It´s alway´s nice to be called a "derp" = stupid. All forgiven. I have seen on other´s than Warden. How would you know, what I have seen anyway
I have a Warden Tank and use it on that character. I also use it on other charaters with good results - ofc without been called a derp
No dude lol i wasn't calling you a derp. Im talking about folks that say ice staffs are not viable for dps or in other situations. If you read my previous posts you can kind of see that i hope. Sorry you took it that way. Totally not what i meant.
boi_anachronism_ wrote: »AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
Bro. This attitude is so problematic its not even funny. Im 1800cp and i just built my tank 2 weeks ago. It took forever for me to decide to try it because of exactly this attitude. The expectations on hight cp tanks are mind blowing. Its stressful, especially for trial tanks. You missing one block can wipe the group. Im competent,
i can toss down buffs and debuffs and not die but I dont know every mechanic because guess what? They are different for tanks compared to dps. Its a steep learning curve.
AvalonRanger wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »AvalonRanger wrote: »There're so many of crappy high CP tank(over CP1300) everywhere in PUG.
That is real problem.
Bro. This attitude is so problematic its not even funny. Im 1800cp and i just built my tank 2 weeks ago. It took forever for me to decide to try it because of exactly this attitude. The expectations on hight cp tanks are mind blowing. Its stressful, especially for trial tanks. You missing one block can wipe the group. Im competent,
i can toss down buffs and debuffs and not die but I dont know every mechanic because guess what? They are different for tanks compared to dps. Its a steep learning curve.
Because, I've never met decent tank as both DD and healer queue by random grouping.
Yes, it's not funny actually. I thought there're so many people who don't know decent tank building method.
And don't know how to act as tank.
They were killed by normal attack, not even mech. Even CP1900 player can't deal 10 amount of mobs.
And keep killing DD or healer 6 times with no HM situation. Time wasting.
it's not funny like you said.
ShadowPaladin wrote: »Ragnarok0130 wrote: »I had someone immediately quit when we pugged into normal Black Drake Villa. They're loss, we 3 player'd it pretty smoothly.
I'd rather have a fake tank drop as soon as we phase in rather than have them running all over the map in circles with a bow making life difficult for the rest of the group. My tank companion is better than any fake tank that I've met in game.
To that I can agree wholeheartedly !
Still, I must say that I would find it really, really great if those leavers would get a harsh penalty for doing so. For example, if they do leave for the first time within 24h they will get 1h Group Finder ban on that char. If they do leave a second time with a char on their account, they will get 6h GF and Dungeon/Trial ban on the whole account and for the third time they will get a 24h GF, Dungeon and Trial ban for the whole account .
For those who are jumping random dungeons until the random system gives them FG1 or something similar, those players should get a penalty in form of denying them the *purple* daily random reward and instead giving them only the normal blue one.
boi_anachronism_ wrote: »ShadowPaladin wrote: »Ragnarok0130 wrote: »I had someone immediately quit when we pugged into normal Black Drake Villa. They're loss, we 3 player'd it pretty smoothly.
I'd rather have a fake tank drop as soon as we phase in rather than have them running all over the map in circles with a bow making life difficult for the rest of the group. My tank companion is better than any fake tank that I've met in game.
To that I can agree wholeheartedly !
Still, I must say that I would find it really, really great if those leavers would get a harsh penalty for doing so. For example, if they do leave for the first time within 24h they will get 1h Group Finder ban on that char. If they do leave a second time with a char on their account, they will get 6h GF and Dungeon/Trial ban on the whole account and for the third time they will get a 24h GF, Dungeon and Trial ban for the whole account .
For those who are jumping random dungeons until the random system gives them FG1 or something similar, those players should get a penalty in form of denying them the *purple* daily random reward and instead giving them only the normal blue one.
Dude. People have irl reasons to leave dugeons. Sometimes i have to leave to do an emergency sub for a prog sometimes as well. Thats just not realistic.