[Nightblade] Grim Focus and Morphs perpetual red glow

Saint-Ange

Before the red glow disapeared once Grim Focus wasn't active but now it's permanent due to the changes.





This must be addressed, no way all Nightblades are going to perpetually glow red like this. It defeats RP, costumes, outfits, immersion, everything.
Let it glow at 5 stacks of Relentless Focus only while in combat like that we will have a visual cue and won't need to look at the skill bar to know the Spectral Arrow needs to be fired.

tomofhyrule

Yeah, my NB is pretty well an RP-only character, so I took that skill off the second I saw it.

I do like the idea of the glow only showing when you hit the 5th stack though. The fact that the icon no longer changes when it's up makes it a bit tougher to see (especially if you're on the other bar), so that would really help visually with seeing if it was up.

emilyhyoyeon

This scares me because this feels like something I doubt they'd fix

master_vanargand

@ZOS_Kevin

Can't you understand our suffering?
Nightblade was destroyed in the PTS.
Should I rename the Class to "Redrum"?
To be honest, I'm the most hopeless I've ever been in my life.

ebix_

I could have get over the perma red glow if it was not so buggy.
I dont know what causes it, maybe fast bar swap or something. glows overlap and if you have two different weapons it just floats on air.

Zyva

lol Redrum

Jazraena

Are you serious?

Fix this. Perma-Effects are absolute no go. Remember Sorcerer Bound Armour effects? This is just as bad.
If this isn't removed it'll just make me drop the skill and never, ever, ever use it again while it autoglows.

Can you please, please stop *** up the visuals and power fantasies of our characters?

Alp

Yeah this is ugly. At least hide it when weapons are sheathed or the gloambound motif will be pretty *** looking since they aren't visible when sheathed but the effects still are.

danno8

It's like Jabs all over again. I'll bet they fix this one though.

Thoughts and prayers to you my Nightblade brothers and sisters.

Faulgor

Jazraena wrote: »

Are you serious?

Fix this. Perma-Effects are absolute no go. Remember Sorcerer Bound Armour effects? This is just as bad.
If this isn't removed it'll just make me drop the skill and never, ever, ever use it again while it autoglows.

Can you please, please stop *** up the visuals and power fantasies of our characters?

What do you mean, remember? Hurricane and Boundless Storm still obscure my whole character ...

Zodiarkslayer

YEEEEEESSSS! ... [frantic cackling] ...

Jazraena

Faulgor wrote: »

Jazraena wrote: »

Are you serious?

Fix this. Perma-Effects are absolute no go. Remember Sorcerer Bound Armour effects? This is just as bad.
If this isn't removed it'll just make me drop the skill and never, ever, ever use it again while it autoglows.

Can you please, please stop *** up the visuals and power fantasies of our characters?

What do you mean, remember? Hurricane and Boundless Storm still obscure my whole character ...

Oh, I know.

Morvan

oh I really hope they address that, having an always going effect for slotting a skill is terrible

Stncold

They won't even make a skin to hide vamp when there's a far more demand for that so I doubt they do anything about this. But yea, this is gonna make me not wanna play my NB much if this isn't changed.

meekmiko

Jazraena wrote: »

Fix this. Perma-Effects are absolute no go. Remember Sorcerer Bound Armour effects? This is just as bad.

You're forgetting that Bound Armor and it's morphs were a Toggle ability so you could toggle them on/off whenever you needed. That and you could take some awesome pictures with it on. (It was really neat in my opinion)


This Grim Focus bug-thing however is permanent and not a toggle. Big difference!

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Also, here's an silly random gif I still have saved to this day of that skill for anyone interested, hehehe:

Jazraena

Yeah, but there was no real reason to turn it off when doing content, so all the difference is extra convenience while idling or RPing.

Either way, stuff like that is no go.

master_vanargand

People overestimate Nightblade.
People forget that they can't use all skills. (10 skill + 2 ult only)

Jazraena

I can't help but notice that this problem persists.

You have a 14 page thread expressing displeasure here in general:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/641376/grim-focus-permaglow

The German forum has a similar thread.

Would be nice if this could be addressed this PTS cycle, because it remains absolutely unacceptable.

Jazraena

I'm not sure why you believe it to be limited to RP.

An enforcement of permanent visual effects no matter what you're doing is absolutely no go. It clashes with the flair, vibe and visual of almost every single nightblade throughout the game, including visuals people literally paid real money for such as Undaunted Arms Packs. It imposes permanent glows on the countless people that actively avoid every source of permanent visual effects throughout the game.

This is outright causing people to either gimp themselves and drop the skill or straight not playing their nightblades. Visuals matter.

Dojohoda

It glows red all the time, whether the weapons are drawn or not, from the second that the nightblade is logged in. It glows at the outfit station. One would have to remove the skill to stop the red glow.

Jazraena

Dekrypted wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree that visuals matter and commonly tell people that the real endgame for ESO is fashion.

I only mentioned that if it was relating to RP that unslotting the ability would be atleast a temp solution. It's what I'd do ij the situation atleast.

I think it should be fixed, I just don't have confidence that ZOS will get it adjusted to something suitable given their unwillingness to touch skills without a 6 to 9 month turnaround time window

Oh yes, just for RP I currently unslot it. I couldn't stand looking at it, otherwise.
Not really doing actual content with my NBs since though.

emilyhyoyeon

I really hope they can change it to 5 stacks glow or something.

Dekrypted wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree that visuals matter and commonly tell people that the real endgame for ESO is fashion.

I only mentioned that if it was relating to RP that unslotting the ability would be atleast a temp solution. It's what I'd do ij the situation atleast.

Yeah, it's not really necessary when RPing unless maybe that spell is important to your character, I guess. Shade and swallow soul are non-negotiable for my main nightblade, RP-wise. FWIW, RP sometimes involves combat, it's not always talking in a tavern, which people might think.

I've finally resorted to just unslotting it when I'm not doing a dungeon or trial. I don't really need the extra damage in overland by any means but I will say that I've played like 95+% nightblade since I started playing in 2016 and the muscle memory of arrowing every 5th light attack is definitely there and feels awkward without, since I've never had a reason to unslot it until now.

Jazraena

Ahem.

As of the latest PTS patch, this problem still exists. While it has been stated that this change is intentional, the various downsides, bugs and side effects outlined in this thread here make it obvious it isn't:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/641376/grim-focus-permaglow#latest

@ZOS_GinaBruno Could you maybe pass this on and get someone to finally talk to people after 2 months of complaints? This is costing you money and goodwill and makes people literally not play their nightblades over an ability that you actually buffed.

That improved communication that was announced would be really terrific right now.

Necrotech_Master

Dekrypted wrote: »

I'm just trying to understand here.. if it's more in the sense of an RP, wouldn't just unslotting the ability solve the problem?

Like you're RPing. What amount of actual combat would be required at that point?

(Having it glow at 5 stacks makes 100% sense, but I can imagine how many pvpers would complain with a visual queue their opponent can see for when they have the stacks ready lol)

as far as im aware, i dont think other players can even see your glow, its for you only lol

but also technically speaking its about the same as DKs molten whip that does have visual cues (albeit much more subtle) depending on their stack level, and arcanist obviously has the visible crux triangles

so from a pvp perspective, i dont think it would be "unfair" considering the circumstances

AstroST

Jazraena wrote: »

That improved communication that was announced would be really terrific right now.

Lazy_Voyager

Best of all, if you're using a staff with the gloambound style to 'hide' weapons when not in use and holster your staff... the glow just hovers over your *** shoulder like an ocarina of time fairy. It's really jarring.

MashmalloMan

Nightblades in 2023: Upset about a red glow exclusive to their weapon.

Every Sorc ever since 2014: *Invisible crying because of Hurricane/Boundless Storm. 😭*

Good luck guys, maybe with the 20 year anniversary!

Jazraena

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Nightblades in 2023: Upset about a red glow exclusive to their weapon.

Every Sorc ever since 2014: *Invisible crying because of Hurricane/Boundless Storm. 😭*

Good luck guys, maybe with the 20 year anniversary!

As someone who plays both - equating the two is insanely bizarre.

Try again once Boundless Storm is a permament effect. You know, like Bound Armour used to be, except it glows a lot more and you can't toggle it off.

MashmalloMan

Jazraena wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Nightblades in 2023: Upset about a red glow exclusive to their weapon.

Every Sorc ever since 2014: *Invisible crying because of Hurricane/Boundless Storm. 😭*

Good luck guys, maybe with the 20 year anniversary!

As someone who plays both - equating the two is insanely bizarre.

Try again once Boundless Storm is a permament effect. You know, like Bound Armour used to be, except it glows a lot more and you can't toggle it off.

1. Clearly joking, I understand most of these complaints are about out of combat.

2. In combat, Sorc's situatuon IS a permanent effect and arguably way worse.

Nebs

Sorc going invisible when storming and the issue with constantly glowing Grim Focus are not the same.

I asl wanted to add that it is particularly jarring with gloambound weapons

Jazraena

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Jazraena wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Nightblades in 2023: Upset about a red glow exclusive to their weapon.

Every Sorc ever since 2014: *Invisible crying because of Hurricane/Boundless Storm. 😭*

Good luck guys, maybe with the 20 year anniversary!

As someone who plays both - equating the two is insanely bizarre.

Try again once Boundless Storm is a permament effect. You know, like Bound Armour used to be, except it glows a lot more and you can't toggle it off.

1. Clearly joking, I understand most of these complaints are about out of combat.

2. In combat, Sorc's situatuon IS a permanent effect and arguably way worse.

I would prefer Boundless Storm to wreathe you in lightning instead of turning you into lightning. But it is what the skill does, the effect is only when active, and the visual matches the design. It has a purpose and at least only obfuscates you in combat.

Grim Focus neither fulfills a function of immersion like Storm - a random permanent red lightbulb is ridiculous for the stealth and assassin class, even if weren't bugged beyond belief - nor of information - I don't need to know that I have a skill slotted. If anything, I'd need to know when the bow is ready.

A visual effect needs to serve either immersion or information and never be permanent without an opt-out or it should go. The end.