ALL (non)sprinting animations are bad now.

Panderbander

The change to no longer use a sprinting animation when moving beyond a certain speed threshold without sprinting has caused werewolf to look absolutely ridiculous when not sprinting. Want proof? Just watch:

https://youtu.be/gUPyG7gVOxg

It looks like it's on roller skates, come on.

https://youtu.be/2EXdln24L2o

EDIT: It's not just werewolf. Behold, the monstrosity:

https://youtu.be/-lNETbr5npc

https://youtu.be/2UAp4v9nSnE

The werewolf walking animation (at least) actually slides across the ground now.

https://youtu.be/7FSsgt67xNI

For reference, this is how it looks on live. Notice that the foot appropriately indexes to the ground.

https://youtu.be/x-Iq8Oi-CPo

IncultaWolf

LOL ridiculous

Panderbander

It gets even worse when you have major expedition up. This is something I'd expect to have seen in the beta 9 years ago.

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Erickson9610

There's a reason why characters with high movement speed used to play the sprinting animation when moving quickly, and these videos exemplify the issue we get when there is no change in the animation to reflect that increase in movement speed. ZOS, please fix.

QuintusVaLari

Oof, Werewolf had one of the coolest sprinting animations before, this looks absolutely silly.

Estin

What happens when you're at max movement speed untransformed without any personality? Is it just the default jog animation just sped up instead of the running animation? Why was this even changed?

Panderbander

sh4d0wh4z3 wrote: »

What happens when you're at max movement speed untransformed without any personality? Is it just the default jog animation just sped up instead of the running animation? Why was this even changed?

Yeah, that exactly.

thegreatme

Movement speed in general seems to be globally bugged out.

Mount speed is borked and animations are significantly slowed down, as well as character speed using the Ring of the Wild Hunt.

meekmiko

Yup, all mounts feel like they have sliding ice mechanics.
The animations are really super slow, but you feel like you're sliding around super fast with how fast the background is moving, so there's almost a nauseating treadmill-ilke effect happening. They also slide to a stop now and you can easily fishtail spin when trying to turn.

Morvan

I actually like this change, with the steed CP we never get to see our running animations, sprinting animations should only play when you're ACTUALLY sprinting, maybe they should just alter the speed it plays to scale with the speed you are running?

Panderbander

Well in the case of werewolf, there is no running animation. Just a weird walking animation. The down on all fours running thing was actually cool and on brand for, ya know, werewolves.

Beside that, though, all of the animations are broken now on the PTS. They're disorienting and sliding and give more of an early 2000s game feeling than one being actively updated in 2023. I don't think the intended goal was reached at all, not with the blanket implementation they seem to have used. Sprinting animations being used at sprinting speed (anything at or above 140% base movement speed) should look like a sprint.

meekmiko wrote: »

Yup, all mounts feel like they have sliding ice mechanics.
The animations are really super slow, but you feel like you're sliding around super fast with how fast the background is moving, so there's almost a nauseating treadmill-ilke effect happening. They also slide to a stop now and you can easily fishtail spin when trying to turn.

Amazing how we keep hitting the nausea nail on the head since Necrom came out lol

Panderbander

I have a speed cap without sprinting build I plan to do a side by side comparison with later today to showcase just how bad this looks now.

ApoAlaia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EXdln24L2o

What wrong with your legs?

Panderbander

ApoAlaia wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EXdln24L2o

What wrong with your legs?

That's what this patch did to animations.

Hagrett

Who OK'd this? Honestly.

Is there really nothing else development time could be spent on rather than this? Even if making this change only took someone five minutes I think I'd have been happier if that dev had decided to take an extra give minutes on their lunch break instead.

Panderbander

Here you all go, have a comparison video!

https://youtu.be/Z3db63JjraY

danno8

I'm sure the animator who did the work on Jabs thinks this is great.

LittlePinkDot

Panderbander wrote: »

sh4d0wh4z3 wrote: »

What happens when you're at max movement speed untransformed without any personality? Is it just the default jog animation just sped up instead of the running animation? Why was this even changed?

Yeah, that exactly.

Maybe it was buggy movement speed animations that causes a bunch of lag and they don't want to admit it.

Imagine if after all these years of bad performance in Cyrodiil to find out it was mostly caused by something like speed and animations being out of sync. 🤣
Would they even admit it?

katorga

ZOS is punishing the players for complaining about Arcanist animations causing motion sickness.

Weckless

What was the point of this change. Werewolf looks like it's doing the freaking thriller

Weckless

ApoAlaia

Maybe someone in the dev team absolutely abhors WW?

The stream of changes to Lycanthropy since the 'renaissance moment' if you will with Greymoor which have relegated it to nigh obscurity one blow at a time could be chalked down to lack of due care and interest rather than malice but this? this feels personal...

A final humiliation, spitting on the coffin after hammering the last nail...

kumenit_taeynav

i like having the fast animations on my farmer toon and on my mounts, it feels like im making progress towards being faster. having everything slowed down feels like its removinf that sort of impact of actually feeling like youre moving faster. plus the sliding looks absolutely awkward

EF321

Ones in OP are bad, agree, but non WW characters look good at max speed and mounts, max speed mounts finally don't look cartoonish. Some do feel like they glide a bit, but overall the look and feel is much better.

richo262

What was the logic on removing the WW sprint animation? Was this intentional?

Kiyakotari

Having grown up with a father who was really into speed walking...and only 5'6" tall...as a kid thought it was normal for people to walk like that. I learned to keep up with him by skipping, because it let me cover the distance faster on my little kiddo' legs. Imagine my astonishment when I emerged into the real world and realized he was just a nutcase!

FayJolyn

Animations

Sprint animations for your character will no longer be incorrectly played as a result of increasing movement speed to high levels.

Wait. This is intentional? Please tell me it's bugged. WW ice skating looks silly as hell. Same for all the personalities.

Motiv

I love this game but it's getting to the point now where I'm convinced they're trying their hardest to regress certain aspects of it to make everyone that's actually still here quit.

This sprint animation stuff is insane but movement in general has been an absolute joke since beta in comparison to other games. It'll probably stay like this for the next 10 years so get used to it.

Once again, good job ZOS! Can't wait to redo the shop-bought personalities on my characters because they look dumb running with all the speed perks I've farmed.

Panderbander

EF321 wrote: »

Ones in OP are bad, agree, but non WW characters look good at max speed and mounts, max speed mounts finally don't look cartoonish. Some do feel like they glide a bit, but overall the look and feel is much better.

Some mounts are better than others but most of them have no connection to the ground now. Guar and bears are particularly bad, sliding the entirety of the length of their foot plus some for every step they take.

Sirona_Starr

danno8 wrote: »

I'm sure the animator who did the work on Jabs thinks this is great.

I haven't laughed so hard at a comment in a long time. Love it. Totally agree!!

Dojohoda

I noticed this with mounts while on the PTS. The landscape moves too fast in relation to the slowed movement of the running animation.