Lol NB buff again

TX12001rwb17_ESO

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They are much needed buffs!!!

Idk if you’re being sarcastic, but NB does not need this change lol.

Having to slot Camo Hunter is one of the few trade-offs left preventing NB from having almost everything. NBs next patch would have access to everything on their build and will be the fotm class 🤣

Are you implying all Nightblades use Invisibility because I use Dark Cloak.

The vast majority of NBs use Shadowy Disguise, as it’s the most straightforward and easy defensive mechanism in the game. Can’t see you = can’t kill you.

Good players who use Shadowy Disguise often need to trade something for slotting Camo Hunter. Usually, it’s Major Breach. Now they can slot Major Breach on their bar, which btw provides far more damage than Minor Berserk, while also having Major Savagery.

You are aware most people worth their salt were probably using weakness to elements which already grants major breach.

No, you don’t want to use Ice Staff on a Cloak Blade because a Bow is needed for Major Expedition, as Path is replaced by Shadow Image.

People who use Ice Staff back bar are brawler blades, but even they have to drop something to fit Ele Sus.

Currently on brawler NB you have to slot these abilities:

Front: Concealed, Merciless, Camo Hunter, Drain Power, Execute

Back: Healthy, Vigor, Siphon Strikes, Phantasmal Escape, Path

There is no room for Breach unless you drop Phantasmal Escape, which is a no no for openworld PvP. Most brawlerblades use Night Mother’s Gaze for Breach.

Night Mother’s Gaze will continue to be used as it’s far better than Ele Sus in terms of practicality, so NBs will have Phantasmal Escape AND Shadowy Disguise, making them even stronger defensively.

Ice Staff? Major Expedition? Night Mothers Gaze? isn't that a Beginners set?.

Weakness to Elements can be used with Inferno and Lighting Staves, a lot of players use a certain Vateshran Weapon alongside it.

Shepoffire

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They are much needed buffs!!!

Idk if you’re being sarcastic, but NB does not need this change lol.

Having to slot Camo Hunter is one of the few trade-offs left preventing NB from having almost everything. NBs next patch would have access to everything on their build and will be the fotm class 🤣

Are you implying all Nightblades use Invisibility because I use Dark Cloak.

The vast majority of NBs use Shadowy Disguise, as it’s the most straightforward and easy defensive mechanism in the game. Can’t see you = can’t kill you.

Good players who use Shadowy Disguise often need to trade something for slotting Camo Hunter. Usually, it’s Major Breach. Now they can slot Major Breach on their bar, which btw provides far more damage than Minor Berserk, while also having Major Savagery.

You are aware most people worth their salt were probably using weakness to elements which already grants major breach.

No, you don’t want to use Ice Staff on a Cloak Blade because a Bow is needed for Major Expedition, as Path is replaced by Shadow Image.

People who use Ice Staff back bar are brawler blades, but even they have to drop something to fit Ele Sus.

Currently on brawler NB you have to slot these abilities:

Front: Concealed, Merciless, Camo Hunter, Drain Power, Execute

Back: Healthy, Vigor, Siphon Strikes, Phantasmal Escape, Path

There is no room for Breach unless you drop Phantasmal Escape, which is a no no for openworld PvP. Most brawlerblades use Night Mother’s Gaze for Breach.

Night Mother’s Gaze will continue to be used as it’s far better than Ele Sus in terms of practicality, so NBs will have Phantasmal Escape AND Shadowy Disguise, making them even stronger defensively.

Ice Staff? Major Expedition? Night Mothers Gaze? isn't that a Beginners set?.

Weakness to Elements can be used with Inferno and Lighting Staves, a lot of players use a certain Vateshran Weapon alongside it.

[snip] Who [snip] uses night bothered anymore. And the general population uses RAT for speed not a bow lol

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MetallicMonk

Night mother's gaze is very strong in open world as the more bar slots you have on a class like nightblade who have tons of good skills the better.

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Redguards_Revenge

StaticWave wrote: »

So NB’s gonna have even more efficient bar space next patch as they can drop Camo Hunter and run another offensive/defensive ability, as if NB isn’t already one of the strongest specs for PvP.

Wanting to make NB more useful outside of PvP yet accidentally buffing NB even more in PvP has got to be meme worthy at this point lol.

I am quitting templar and becoming NB. The bias is real lol. It's like someone saw the "It's time to hold NB cloak to the same standards" and wanted to personally put up a middle finger.

Well, they've done it, I am lvling up and making an nb that is not a redguard. I'm abandoning Redguard Stamplar and going full NB. I can use the cheap base gears and still bring down the big boys. The stamplar, I never had that OOMPH to do it. Power of the light was always cleansed or something. Now I do the same rotation with spectral bow. I was always wondering how I would get that major buff. Now cloak and spectral bow is auto...meaning I don't have to be on the bar to get the benefits like camo hunter or whatever.

This is going to be FUN! I get to cloak? That's just too tasty. There was NOTHING templar had for it. I could NEVER get the burst heal to crit. NB I can cloak crit heal. With my crit naturally being over 60, I will be able to do a whole lot more.

NB is god. NB is god. NB is god. NB is god.

boi_anachronism_

Ugg. As a nb main i shudder to think of how huge the backswing nerf is gonna be. It was fine. Why couldnt they just leave it alone. They should have nerfed ctwisting/concealed so it no longer applies from stealth and they should have given shadowy Disguise a ramping cost. Thats it. God. Why. Literally a nb main sitting here going there was no need to buff this class like that. If anything give us a group buff so we werent bottom of the barrel in 12 man besides vas...omg

Panderbander

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Ugg. As a nb main i shudder to think of how huge the backswing nerf is gonna be. It was fine. Why couldnt they just leave it alone. They should have nerfed ctwisting/concealed so it no longer applies from stealth and they should have given shadowy Disguise a ramping cost. Thats it. God. Why. Literally a nb main sitting here going there was no need to buff this class like that. If anything give us a group buff so we werent bottom of the barrel in 12 man besides vas...omg

Wait, you get into trials? Werewolves aren't even allowed to look at the portals lol

DrNukenstein

No decent nightblade in pvp is going to drop the incredible value of camo hunter to take advantage of this change. Ya'll are over reacting and have a strong dislike for a particular class.

And like others have said, it looks a lot more impactful than it actually is and will probably be grounds for a brutal nerf in the future.

StaticWave

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They are much needed buffs!!!

Idk if you’re being sarcastic, but NB does not need this change lol.

Having to slot Camo Hunter is one of the few trade-offs left preventing NB from having almost everything. NBs next patch would have access to everything on their build and will be the fotm class 🤣

Are you implying all Nightblades use Invisibility because I use Dark Cloak.

The vast majority of NBs use Shadowy Disguise, as it’s the most straightforward and easy defensive mechanism in the game. Can’t see you = can’t kill you.

Good players who use Shadowy Disguise often need to trade something for slotting Camo Hunter. Usually, it’s Major Breach. Now they can slot Major Breach on their bar, which btw provides far more damage than Minor Berserk, while also having Major Savagery.

You are aware most people worth their salt were probably using weakness to elements which already grants major breach.

No, you don’t want to use Ice Staff on a Cloak Blade because a Bow is needed for Major Expedition, as Path is replaced by Shadow Image.

People who use Ice Staff back bar are brawler blades, but even they have to drop something to fit Ele Sus.

Currently on brawler NB you have to slot these abilities:

Front: Concealed, Merciless, Camo Hunter, Drain Power, Execute

Back: Healthy, Vigor, Siphon Strikes, Phantasmal Escape, Path

There is no room for Breach unless you drop Phantasmal Escape, which is a no no for openworld PvP. Most brawlerblades use Night Mother’s Gaze for Breach.

Night Mother’s Gaze will continue to be used as it’s far better than Ele Sus in terms of practicality, so NBs will have Phantasmal Escape AND Shadowy Disguise, making them even stronger defensively.

Ice Staff? Major Expedition? Night Mothers Gaze? isn't that a Beginners set?.

Weakness to Elements can be used with Inferno and Lighting Staves, a lot of players use a certain Vateshran Weapon alongside it.

No NB is running Inferno and Lightning Staves, nor is Night Mother’s Gaze a beginner set.

I am starting to doubt the credibility of your previous statement about NB players’s skill level.

Alchimiste1

DrNukenstein wrote: »

No decent nightblade in pvp is going to drop the incredible value of camo hunter to take advantage of this change. Ya'll are over reacting and have a strong dislike for a particular class.

And like others have said, it looks a lot more impactful than it actually is and will probably be grounds for a brutal nerf in the future.

Incredible value of camo ? I’ll be trading minor berserk for a skill that gives me major crit buffs on both bars, and I’ll get an extra 300 weapon/spell damage from vamp passive. I assure you I will be dropping camo if this change actually makes it to live.

Alchimiste1

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They are much needed buffs!!!

Idk if you’re being sarcastic, but NB does not need this change lol.

Having to slot Camo Hunter is one of the few trade-offs left preventing NB from having almost everything. NBs next patch would have access to everything on their build and will be the fotm class 🤣

Are you implying all Nightblades use Invisibility because I use Dark Cloak.

The vast majority of NBs use Shadowy Disguise, as it’s the most straightforward and easy defensive mechanism in the game. Can’t see you = can’t kill you.

Good players who use Shadowy Disguise often need to trade something for slotting Camo Hunter. Usually, it’s Major Breach. Now they can slot Major Breach on their bar, which btw provides far more damage than Minor Berserk, while also having Major Savagery.

You are aware most people worth their salt were probably using weakness to elements which already grants major breach.

No, you don’t want to use Ice Staff on a Cloak Blade because a Bow is needed for Major Expedition, as Path is replaced by Shadow Image.

People who use Ice Staff back bar are brawler blades, but even they have to drop something to fit Ele Sus.

Currently on brawler NB you have to slot these abilities:

Front: Concealed, Merciless, Camo Hunter, Drain Power, Execute

Back: Healthy, Vigor, Siphon Strikes, Phantasmal Escape, Path

There is no room for Breach unless you drop Phantasmal Escape, which is a no no for openworld PvP. Most brawlerblades use Night Mother’s Gaze for Breach.

Night Mother’s Gaze will continue to be used as it’s far better than Ele Sus in terms of practicality, so NBs will have Phantasmal Escape AND Shadowy Disguise, making them even stronger defensively.

This is pretty spot on

StaticWave

Most average NBs fail to realize that Camo Hunter is used by necessity, not because it’s actually a strong skill on NB.

While Camo Hunter’s Minor Berserk is pretty decent on other classes, it isn’t a necessity on NB. NB already has a ton of damage multipliers, making 5% Minor Berserk not actually 5%, but rather 3% as it’s multiplicative.

What Camo Hunter is mainly used for is Major Savagery, and that’s exactly what Shadowy Disguise gives next patch. You can drop Camo for much better abilities like Shadow Image or Phantasmal Escape.

Plenty of top tier NBs have already started making builds without Camo as we speak. You’d be at a disadvantage if you still keep it on your bar.

IncultaWolf

StaticWave wrote: »

Most average NBs fail to realize that Camo Hunter is used by necessity, not because it’s actually a strong skill on NB.

While Camo Hunter’s Minor Berserk is pretty decent on other classes, it isn’t a necessity on NB. NB already has a ton of damage multipliers, making 5% Minor Berserk not actually 5%, but rather 3% as it’s multiplicative.

What Camo Hunter is mainly used for is Major Savagery, and that’s exactly what Shadowy Disguise gives next patch. You can drop Camo for much better abilities like Shadow Image or Phantasmal Escape.

Plenty of top tier NBs have already started making builds without Camo as we speak. You’d be at a disadvantage if you still keep it on your bar.

I'm definitely swapping out camo hunter for shadowy disguise next patch on my nightblade

MetallicMonk

All of this isn't even mentioning that the crit % is going to be on both bars when you slot it making your backbar heals crit much more often too.

It's a no brainer, and a pretty noticeable buff.

Lapin_Logic

In PVE who cares, what buffs a class gets, so long as they are within 15k DPS of each other.
In PVP most classes would need to have a companion that mirrors the players skills or just double the damage they currently do and you would still just see zergs of DK's with spikes and corrosive.

StaticWave

MetallicMonk wrote: »

All of this isn't even mentioning that the crit % is going to be on both bars when you slot it making your backbar heals crit much more often too.

It's a no brainer, and a pretty noticeable buff.

Precisely, I didn’t even mention that 🤣🤣🤣

StaticWave

JobooAGS wrote: »

I still will slot camo hunter for minor berserk, fg passives, and reveal. My builds would not change with this... maybe some back bar crits on healing this is all these changes would ultimately do for the most part...

Imo stealth detect pots do a better job at revealing than Camo Hunter.

You’re not willing to trade single bar savagery and ~3-4% dmg done for double bar savagery and 300 wd/sd from vamp passive?

StaticWave

@MetallicMonk @Alchimiste1 @IncultaWolf

I think I forgot to also mention that brawlerblades will be able to force a crit Incap/Bow proc with this Cloak change 🤣🤣

Snaggel

Assuming these proposed changes would go live, why would I ever use Shadowy Disguise in PVE when camouflaged hunter grants gives better passives? This is a pvp buff only.

Sikon

I ask myself why the thread is saying "buff again"... okay the cloak is a buff, like mentioned you can swap camohunter. But overall NB is already stuffed with "Barblocking spells".

The main Burst comes from "Relentless Focus" Proc - This is a must have spell (btw 20k crits happen rarely, most tank builds survive NB bursts)

The "Concealed Weapon" which gives 10% dmg boost on "use" or while coming out of "invisibility" is also a must have spell on bar.. which is forcing most NBs to play on Magicka.

To Proc "Concealed Weapon" you either need "Shadow Disguise" (which has more use now than before- for me the buff was unnessecary too) or "Twisting Path". Brawler NBs drop Cloak and go for Path most of the time. But you need to cast "Concealed Weapon" then for the buff.

Next must have was "Camohunter" for 5% dmg boost which is dropped now.

So the NB Bar was already full with stuff you have to use if you want to do the burst dmg, otherwise NB will be very weak in PvP. You kind of get forced into this Playstyle because you "have to use all these abilities to compete". There is not much diversity in NB Builds tbh and exactly THAT is the main Problem.

So if the one and only NB build gets a Buff everybody starting to flame NB. But there is no choice to play something else.. (NB is suffering beneath that alot in PVE Content, like already mentioned here)
I guess most of you never played NB theirself, because this timed burst and retread playstyle in PvP is by far not that easy how it looks like. You need to time everything on perfect second on a "Debuffed" Enemy... it is unforgiving playstyle.. you fail it you die. Try it yourself.

They are not that Tanky like other classes and make Overtime Dot Damage to go on the longterm fights.. NB was everytime a class with pointed out burst and had to retread then. Otherwise its the Death, because they are also a bit squishy if not played perfectly. "Cloak" is their defensive, like Dragonblood, Streak, Flashheals, Iceshield on other classes...

notsojuicy

tbh, the savagery stuff won't change anything... that's only pvp related (i feel anyway forums are full of pvp related posts.... and yes ZOS you will never balance pvp/pve, it's been years and everytime new sets arrive you break pve or pvp in some areas.... maybe it would be time to really take notes from other titles.... i think the direction with set affixes to "monsters" or "to players" was the only right move done the last couple of months....

so, savagery while nice won't change much, as you still want Fighters Guild passives and Berserk and run Camo.... however it gives you options to make Camo a flex spot... so its fine - for pvp

For PVE we all know the directions you are going: Making the game easier and casual friendlier....
(not commenting on this further if this is good or bad, no one would care anyway...)

However from Oaken HA One Button viability to Arcanist's Beam which Deals stupid amount of DMG with little to no effort compared to any other Class in the game.... All of a sudden everyone on arcanist where there do dmg the first time.... hope it helped selling necrom, but it's just a repeating story

So sure, make Grim Focus a passive so we save one gcd and don't have to watch that timer, making it easier on a class which is already probably one of the hardest to master in PVE. Dark Cloak / Shadowy Disguise change is fine too.

Turtle_Bot

Hmm, I can now take off camo hunter and slot shade instead, lets see the gains and losses of this switch.

Losses:
- 3% weapon/spell damage (FG passive)
- Minor berserk (unreliable due to positional desync)
- an unreliable (and very costly) reveal (oh no, I'll have to use the more reliable detect pots like everyone else)
- 3 ultimate when I kill an enemy (very unreliable in the current tank meta)
Gains:
- Major prophecy/savagery on both bars while only having to slot cloak on 1 bar (don't even have to activate it).
- A free DoT
- +5% mitigation from minor maim
- a FREE teleport that goes through walls/floors/impassable terrain
- an additional +25% to the duration of major resolve due to another shadow ability being slotted
- an additional +3% max health for having an additional shadow ability slotted
- burst heals and HoTs crit more often (i.e. more healing) thanks to crit chance being granted on both bars

Yeah, I'll take this trade off any day of the week and this is just from slotting shade, you can slot any other ability here instead for other gains.

That's just shade: I could instead slot:
- Fear instead for a reliable stun that goes through block, that also inflicts MAJOR cowardice (-430 weapon/spell damage)
- FG fear to keep FG passives but gain a reliable AoE stun that also grants minor protection and minor endurance
- Crippling grasp for a DoT + immobilize + snare
- Mist form for a BoL teleport that absorbs projectiles and grants an AoE DoT that heals you (you already have evasion from blur and expedition from refreshing path, so elusive mist is useless on NB).
- Caltrops for AoE major breach + 50% snare + DoT
- Flare for 10% mitigation from major protection (+10% mag recovery from support passive)
- Twin slashes (with arena weapon) for a strong DoT + secondary spammable that's stamina based

This buff to cloak is absurd, if this goes through without any balancing done to it, NB will be S+ tier in PvP.

ebix_

Finally the class that build around crit now have its own source of major crit buff.

StaticWave wrote: »

So NB’s gonna have even more efficient bar space next patch as they can drop Camo Hunter and run another offensive/defensive ability, as if NB isn’t already one of the strongest specs for PvP.

Wanting to make NB more useful outside of PvP yet accidentally buffing NB even more in PvP has got to be meme worthy at this point lol.

Finally the class that was build around crit now have its own source of major crit buff.
but I personaly wont drop camo hunter, 5% damage +100 wd and detection is too good.

StaticWave

ebix_ wrote: »

Finally the class that build around crit now have its own source of major crit buff.

StaticWave wrote: »

So NB’s gonna have even more efficient bar space next patch as they can drop Camo Hunter and run another offensive/defensive ability, as if NB isn’t already one of the strongest specs for PvP.

Wanting to make NB more useful outside of PvP yet accidentally buffing NB even more in PvP has got to be meme worthy at this point lol.

Finally the class that was build around crit now have its own source of major crit buff.
but I personaly wont drop camo hunter, 5% damage +100 wd and detection is too good.

Meanwhile magsorc has to slot Inner Light and stamsorc has to slot Camo Hunter or use spell crit pots, all the while getting Minor Force on Dark Deal which it doesn’t even need.

It seems like Sorc is the budget version of NB and getting bread crumbs while NB continues to be the star child of ESO getting all the juicy buffs.

Sikon

Tbh @StaticWave with the recent changes to Sorc they became very strong in PvP again. Every good Sorc will kill a NB in 1v1, sorry but might be a skill issue... better focus on the real unbalanced classes atm like DK/Arcanists

StaticWave

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Hmm, I can now take off camo hunter and slot shade instead, lets see the gains and losses of this switch.

Losses:
- 3% weapon/spell damage (FG passive)
- Minor berserk (unreliable due to positional desync)
- an unreliable (and very costly) reveal (oh no, I'll have to use the more reliable detect pots like everyone else)
- 3 ultimate when I kill an enemy (very unreliable in the current tank meta)
Gains:
- Major prophecy/savagery on both bars while only having to slot cloak on 1 bar (don't even have to activate it).
- A free DoT
- +5% mitigation from minor maim
- a FREE teleport that goes through walls/floors/impassable terrain
- an additional +25% to the duration of major resolve due to another shadow ability being slotted
- an additional +3% max health for having an additional shadow ability slotted
- burst heals and HoTs crit more often (i.e. more healing) thanks to crit chance being granted on both bars

Yeah, I'll take this trade off any day of the week and this is just from slotting shade, you can slot any other ability here instead for other gains.

That's just shade: I could instead slot:
- Fear instead for a reliable stun that goes through block, that also inflicts MAJOR cowardice (-430 weapon/spell damage)
- FG fear to keep FG passives but gain a reliable AoE stun that also grants minor protection and minor endurance
- Crippling grasp for a DoT + immobilize + snare
- Mist form for a BoL teleport that absorbs projectiles and grants an AoE DoT that heals you (you already have evasion from blur and expedition from refreshing path, so elusive mist is useless on NB).
- Caltrops for AoE major breach + 50% snare + DoT
- Flare for 10% mitigation from major protection (+10% mag recovery from support passive)
- Twin slashes (with arena weapon) for a strong DoT + secondary spammable that's stamina based

This buff to cloak is absurd, if this goes through without any balancing done to it, NB will be S+ tier in PvP.

Lol it's actually pretty sad that you had to explain that in detail so people could understand why dropping Camo Hunter for Shadowy Disguise is still a major net benefit.

I'll repeat it again, Camo Hunter is slotted on NB because it's a necessity, not because it's actually desirable. I'll use the water analogy so people could understand it easier.

Everyone has to drink water to survive. Water isn't exactly an exciting drink. You don't often enjoy drinking it, but you have to because it's necessary. Imagine one day we magically make Coca Cola healthier to the point that it can replace water. Now what's the point of drinking water when Coca Cola provides nearly the same benefits, yet is more enjoyable to drink?

Camo Hunter is exactly like water. You don't really want to slot it, but you have to because up until now, nothing can replace it. Suddenly ZoS buffs Shadowy Disguise, or Coca Cola, to provide the same benefit as Camo Hunter, or water, and now you have a reason to drop it for better things.

Turtle_Bot

Sikon wrote: »

Tbh @StaticWave with the recent changes to Sorc they became very strong in PvP again. Every good Sorc will kill a NB in 1v1, sorry but might be a skill issue... better focus on the real unbalanced classes atm like DK/Arcanists

Very strong? Stamsorcs are decent and it's purely from masters DW + vate destro being stacked with 2 other proc sets (way of fire and relequen), something that any other class could pull off (well maybe except arcanist) if they really put their minds to it, but other classes have other and better options to run so they don't bother.

Meanwhile magsorc still sitting there in the corner because they can't get a meaningful buff outside of "you will be a zookeeper and you will like it". Might as well call magsorc the summoner class now, magicka sorcerer as a mage is all but extinct and despite ZOS's promises, it looks like that won't ever change.

StaticWave

Sikon wrote: »

Tbh @StaticWave with the recent changes to Sorc they became very strong in PvP again. Every good Sorc will kill a NB in 1v1, sorry but might be a skill issue... better focus on the real unbalanced classes atm like DK/Arcanists

@Sikon Skill issue? Very strong? Stamsorc literally just got Minor Force. The stamsorcs that can kill NBs are proctard stamsorcs in Maarselok, Master DW, Vate Ice.

If your argument is every good "proc" stamsorc can kill a non proc NB in 1v1, then it's not a really strong argument. I have not seen a single stat-based stamsorc win a fight against a stat-based NB. I'm one of the few remaining stamsorcs who still run a nearly full stat build on PC NA. Every single stamsorc has transitioned to Master DW and Vate Ice just to have a chance at competing.

Have you actually fought a proc NB though? They can just as easily slot the same sets as a proc stamsorc and will still have the burst heal advantage. They just don't want to.

Sikon

Camo hunter is exactly like Water... that makes no sense.

Especially on a "Brawler Blade" you rather play "Path" than "Cloak"... so I really have to think about it if I want to swap my Camohunter,
which gives me "Major Savagery/Prophecy" and "Minor Berserk" with a flanking attack + a Stealth detection on activation + a 100 Weapon Damage from Fighter Guild passives...

or do I want to use the new "Cloak" which gives me "Major Savagery/Prophecy" and a bugged Spamable Stealth ^^

You can decide

StaticWave

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Sikon wrote: »

Tbh @StaticWave with the recent changes to Sorc they became very strong in PvP again. Every good Sorc will kill a NB in 1v1, sorry but might be a skill issue... better focus on the real unbalanced classes atm like DK/Arcanists

Very strong? Stamsorcs are decent and it's purely from masters DW + vate destro being stacked with 2 other proc sets (way of fire and relequen), something that any other class could pull off (well maybe except arcanist) if they really put their minds to it, but other classes have other and better options to run so they don't bother.

Meanwhile magsorc still sitting there in the corner because they can't get a meaningful buff outside of "you will be a zookeeper and you will like it". Might as well call magsorc the summoner class now, magicka sorcerer as a mage is all but extinct and despite ZOS's promises, it looks like that won't ever change.

Every time I hear someone says "stamsorc is strong in PvP" and I ask them what those stamsorcs are running, it's always got some proc set in it.

Basing a class's strength on procs is a meaningless argument. What happens when those procs get nerfed lol? I know. They just disappear into oblivion again and hop on a better class. That's what all the fotm stamsorcs did when their procs got nerfed lol.

Sikon

Basing a class's strength on procs is a meaningless argument. What happens when those procs get nerfed lol? I know. They just disappear into oblivion again and hop on a better class. That's what all the fotm stamsorcs did when their procs got nerfed lol.

Oh man, then Nightblade is a complete meaningless class, because the whole class is build on a crit/proc playstyle with relentless focus+Ultimate... so sad