Lol NB buff again

StaticWave

So NB’s gonna have even more efficient bar space next patch as they can drop Camo Hunter and run another offensive/defensive ability, as if NB isn’t already one of the strongest specs for PvP.

Wanting to make NB more useful outside of PvP yet accidentally buffing NB even more in PvP has got to be meme worthy at this point lol.

birdik

for another months, the nb will be forgotten in the pve...

Galiferno

Cloak isn't used by NB dps in pve. The choice to apply the buff to that skill is clearly PVP oriented.

StaticWave

birdik wrote: »

for another months, the nb will be forgotten in the pve...

I really feel bad for NB in PvE, and I wish they get the right buffs they deserve, but seeing the intended changes for NB in PvE the past few patches I can’t help but want everything reverted lol.

They are making NB even more top tier in PvP while barely able to fix the class in PvE. Idk if they understand, but it’s pretty hilarious how disconnected ZoS is at their own game.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

They are much needed buffs!!!

IncultaWolf

I was just mentioning this to a friend, hey now I get to drop magelight/camo hunter and have yet another free bar space. Hilarious how nightblade, the stealthy assassin class, is now on par with dragonknight, the tanky brawler class.

DrNukenstein

As an enthusiast of both camo hunter and cloak I do not find the change that beneficial. If we drop camo hunter we make ourselves vulnerable to being out-bladed, miss out on intuitive minor berserk, and FG passives.

Also, the most capable and and scary nightblades aren't even using cloak anymore so it'll be okay.

It'll be great for proccing rallying cry on back bar though, if you use rallying cry on a cloak build.

IncultaWolf

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They are much needed buffs!!!

Necro is still far from playable in pvp, maybe fix that class first

StaticWave

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They are much needed buffs!!!

Idk if you’re being sarcastic, but NB does not need this change lol.

Having to slot Camo Hunter is one of the few trade-offs left preventing NB from having almost everything. NBs next patch would have access to everything on their build and will be the fotm class 🤣

KS_Amt38

Nightblade is underperforming in PVE. They should get lot more buffs.

StaticWave

KS_Amt38 wrote: »

Nightblade is underperforming in PVE. They should get lot more buffs.

So by buffing Cloak which nobody uses in PvE other than for RP purposes, NB will perform better?

Whether ZoS intended or not, this is clearly a PvP buff, which btw nobody asked for.

birdik

Well at least no more fake using of grim focus..

StaticWave

AndreNoir wrote: »

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Shadowy Disguise now gives Major Savagery while slotted, which frees up 1 extra slot for another offensive/defensive skill.

Is that worthy enough for you? 😂

[edited to remove quote]

Vaqual

It is also funny how Dark Cloak gets this new function of being active on both bars just because they can now do it now, even though the buff can already be easily maintained with this skill, just so the change on Shadowy Disguise looks less brutal.

MashmalloMan

Idk. It's a good quality of life change. I just hope they touch on other classes with the same intent.. mainly sorc.

As someone above stated, you probably still want camo hunter for the stealth counter, 3% dmg, 3 ult on kill, and minor berserk, but no one can argue how many buffs NB has continued to get for like 2 years now. Sorc when?

Braffin

As NB main I have to agree here. This change won't help much in PvE and is quite beefy in PvP. They put the cart before the horse with this.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They are much needed buffs!!!

Idk if you’re being sarcastic, but NB does not need this change lol.

Having to slot Camo Hunter is one of the few trade-offs left preventing NB from having almost everything. NBs next patch would have access to everything on their build and will be the fotm class 🤣

Are you implying all Nightblades use Invisibility because I use Dark Cloak.

StaticWave

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Idk. It's a good quality of life change. I just hope they touch on other classes with the same intent.. mainly sorc.

As someone above stated, you probably still want camo hunter for the stealth counter, 3% dmg, 3 ult on kill, and minor berserk, but no one can argue how many buffs NB has continued to get for like 2 years now. Sorc when?

DrGankeinstein is a ganker main and may find more value slotting Camo Hunter to flush out other gankers.

However, the benefit of having 1 extra slot far outweighs Camo Hunter for the vast majority of builds. You can now slot both Shadow Cloak and Shadow Image without dropping a single skill on your bar, making your elusive NB even more elusive than before.

Brawler-blades now have access to Shadowy Disguise AND another heal, improving their brawler build further than the live version.

StaticWave

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They are much needed buffs!!!

Idk if you’re being sarcastic, but NB does not need this change lol.

Having to slot Camo Hunter is one of the few trade-offs left preventing NB from having almost everything. NBs next patch would have access to everything on their build and will be the fotm class 🤣

Are you implying all Nightblades use Invisibility because I use Dark Cloak.

The vast majority of NBs use Shadowy Disguise, as it’s the most straightforward and easy defensive mechanism in the game. Can’t see you = can’t kill you.

Good players who use Shadowy Disguise often need to trade something for slotting Camo Hunter. Usually, it’s Major Breach. Now they can slot Major Breach on their bar, which btw provides far more damage than Minor Berserk, while also having Major Savagery.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They are much needed buffs!!!

Idk if you’re being sarcastic, but NB does not need this change lol.

Having to slot Camo Hunter is one of the few trade-offs left preventing NB from having almost everything. NBs next patch would have access to everything on their build and will be the fotm class 🤣

Are you implying all Nightblades use Invisibility because I use Dark Cloak.

The vast majority of NBs use Shadowy Disguise, as it’s the most straightforward and easy defensive mechanism in the game. Can’t see you = can’t kill you.

Good players who use Shadowy Disguise often need to trade something for slotting Camo Hunter. Usually, it’s Major Breach. Now they can slot Major Breach on their bar, which btw provides far more damage than Minor Berserk, while also having Major Savagery.

You are aware most people worth their salt were probably using weakness to elements which already grants major breach.

AndreNoir

StaticWave wrote: »

AndreNoir wrote: »

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Shadowy Disguise now gives Major Savagery while slotted, which frees up 1 extra slot for another offensive/defensive skill.

[snip]

[snip] Prophecy was never a problem for nb

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acastanza_ESO

It is actually insulting that they buff a class like Nightblade while Sorc's actual horrific pain points that have been elaborated on in detail over and over and over are ignored (the tiny adjustment in the notes for Sorc is almost worse than nothing).

And don't get it wrong this is a significant optimization for Nughtblade's barspace and will be a massive buff whereas it's a trivial change to Sorc's barspace that will affect virtually nothing.

Tyrant_Tim

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

It is actually insulting that they buff a class like Nightblade while Sorc's actual horrific pain points that have been elaborated on in detail over and over and over are ignored (the tiny adjustment in the notes for Sorc is almost worse than nothing)

Could be worse…

You could be looking for the Templar changes.

StaticWave

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

They are much needed buffs!!!

Idk if you’re being sarcastic, but NB does not need this change lol.

Having to slot Camo Hunter is one of the few trade-offs left preventing NB from having almost everything. NBs next patch would have access to everything on their build and will be the fotm class 🤣

Are you implying all Nightblades use Invisibility because I use Dark Cloak.

The vast majority of NBs use Shadowy Disguise, as it’s the most straightforward and easy defensive mechanism in the game. Can’t see you = can’t kill you.

Good players who use Shadowy Disguise often need to trade something for slotting Camo Hunter. Usually, it’s Major Breach. Now they can slot Major Breach on their bar, which btw provides far more damage than Minor Berserk, while also having Major Savagery.

You are aware most people worth their salt were probably using weakness to elements which already grants major breach.

No, you don’t want to use Ice Staff on a Cloak Blade because a Bow is needed for Major Expedition, as Path is replaced by Shadow Image.

People who use Ice Staff back bar are brawler blades, but even they have to drop something to fit Ele Sus.

Currently on brawler NB you have to slot these abilities:

Front: Concealed, Merciless, Camo Hunter, Drain Power, Execute

Back: Healthy, Vigor, Siphon Strikes, Phantasmal Escape, Path

There is no room for Breach unless you drop Phantasmal Escape, which is a no no for openworld PvP. Most brawlerblades use Night Mother’s Gaze for Breach.

Night Mother’s Gaze will continue to be used as it’s far better than Ele Sus in terms of practicality, so NBs will have Phantasmal Escape AND Shadowy Disguise, making them even stronger defensively.

KlauthWarthog

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Could be worse…

You could be looking for the Templar changes.

You might want some magnifying glasses if you intend to go looking for those.

IncultaWolf

There's a lot of pvp nightblade defenders in here, I play the class extensively, and I can even admit that it did not need this. I mean hey, if they gave necromancer class major brutality/sorcery, I wouldn't even be complaining

Panderbander

I dunno, I feel like nightblade needs all the help it can get, I'm only getting hit by 20k bow procs every few minutes now instead of every attack so I just don't think they have enough damage.

IncultaWolf

Panderbander wrote: »

I dunno, I feel like nightblade needs all the help it can get, I'm only getting hit by 20k bow procs every few minutes now instead of every attack so I just don't think they have enough damage.

Yeah I also struggle to kill those really tanky players even after I hit them with a 20k assassins will, I think grim focus needs a damage buff honestly

JobooAGS

I still will slot camo hunter for minor berserk, fg passives, and reveal. My builds would not change with this... maybe some back bar crits on healing this is all these changes would ultimately do for the most part...

emilyhyoyeon

The change is even more ridiculous if it were intended for PVE (where they need help) because not only do PVE nightblades not run cloak, but spell pots already give major prophecy...

*or weapon pots/major savagery

Tommy_The_Gun

As some one who has played a lot as a NB, I can say this:

I really don't understand why they are touching those skills. Ok, Grim focus I can kinda understand, they want to make rotation easier in PvE etc.

But why change Cloak ? If they specifically say that the problem is that Shadowy Disguise is being countered too easily and NB are not having any benefit when the skill is countered then... then... there are other ways they can do this.

For example something like: If the Invisibility effects ends early, X thing happen. Maybe some % of resources cost spend on casting it is returned, or you get some movement speed buff... or armour buff... or some other effect.

They just plastered 2 strongs buffs on in and called it a day. It gonna be the reason NB will get nerfed to the ground in the future. I am telling you. I had to live through Elsweyr and it was not pleasant being a NB back then. It is so annoying when you look at your class toolkit, and then you end up using weapon/world/guild skills combo because those are better than your own class skills. Yes. That is how NB was back in Elsweyr update 3 (or 4) years ago.

So if they over buff a class, then they tend to go with over-nerfing nerf hammers.

Meanwhile... Consuming Darkness & morphs is sitting quietly in the corner and is like:

Where is my buff ? ? ?