Low FPS (30s/20s) on GTX 780 (not sli)

Furian

I've benchmarked my card and its well over the normal benchmarks for this card, so I've ruled out a defective graphics card.

The fps varies greatly, with cities being in the subjects range, solo dungeons a bit higher. I feel I should be in the 80+ range all of the time. I've tried disabling anti-aliasing and vsync (both in nvidia control panel, and in game), but it makes no difference.

Any suggestions without sacrificing quality?

I'm running an AMD FX-8350 8 core processor and 16GB of ram.

LorenzoButtigieg

I have the same problem i7 950 6gb ram gtx 770 game on SSD
Out side of the city is k but in the city or close areas of interest fps drope like crazy and with my specs this should not happen. Tried different solutions like reinstalling the game different drivers nothing.
2 days ago i contacted support got a massage we will forward your problem and they did not send back till now.

crimsonBZD

I have two GTX 760's alternating frames for ESO with all graphical settings maxed in both nVidia and ESO, playing off a samsung evo SSD.

i was shocked to learn myself that was FPS stays a constant 20. Not an "average" fps, seriously realtime FPS is a constant 20.

Thing is, I have no problem. The game is readily playable with no stutter or fps drop on large mobs or in cities. In fact, I'd gather to say that I haven't lost a single frame since I first played ESO sunday, which is surprising cause I joined AD and there was half a million people on the coastline.

quicksilv3r

try click, auto reconfger in video settings, i was getting low fps not any more. might b a bug after u change alot video setting it craps out.

antonyfrnb16_ESO

OP you got anything running in the background?

I'm getting 70fps v-sync with max settings pre-set and water reflections turned up. I'm running a AMD 955BE 16GB DDR3 and a EVGA GTX 760 SC 4Gb with 338.23 WHQL drivers under windows 8.1 64bit.

Also what is your internet connection speed as sometimes with mmos it can effect your fps I'm on a 80/20Mbps connection

MaGicBush

That's strange I have a GTX 770, I5-4670, and an SSD and it stays right around 60fps(vertical sync is on) with everything on ultra/max(including water reflections). I have seen it dip down to 45 at the lowest before but that was in a very crowded area.

Neshira

Greetings everyone,

I've got the exact same issue as the OP.

My system:
GTX 780 (Asus DCII), i7 2600, Win7 64 bit, 16GB Ram, and everything running on SSDs.

Its not simply a "graphic card cant deliver" issue. The problem is that TESO only draws about half of the 780s power, my GPU usage is on average between 40% and 60%. Its not a bottlebneck issue either,CPU usage is at 20% on average, and other games (e.g. Thief, Rome II, various benchmarks) get to 100% GPU usage without a problem.

I've tried various different driver versions and almost all possible setting combinations, both ingame and in the nvidia control panel, to no effect.

I have also spoken to several other 780 owners ingame, who all reported the same problem (only 50% GPU usage)... maybe a general problem with the GK110 architecture (havent spoken to any 780Ti/Titan owners yet)?

Saerydoth

MaGicBush wrote: »

That's strange I have a GTX 770, I5-4670, and an SSD and it stays right around 60fps(vertical sync is on) with everything on ultra/max(including water reflections). I have seen it dip down to 45 at the lowest before but that was in a very crowded area.

Pretty much the exact same as what I get. i7-4770k, GTX 780ti. Really low FPS like what the OP is reporting generally indicates some sort of driver or settings issue.

robsonsb14_ESO

vsync is for full screen applications. This is not a "fullscreen" game. In Windows 8 consider vsync (called DWM) is enable at all times for windowed applications, such as this game. On Windows 7 you need to have Aero enabled for DWM to be enabled. For more info google vsync and DWM (Desktop Window Manager). Also, sad to say, SLI does not work for borderless windows. We need a fullscreen option to allow our powerhouses to be fully utilized. Until then, we'll all get about 100 in the wilderness and 40-60 in town.

Neshira

robsonsb14_ESO wrote: »

vsync is for full screen applications. This is not a "fullscreen" game. In Windows 8 consider vsync (called DWM) is enable at all times for windowed applications, such as this game. On Windows 7 you need to have Aero enabled for DWM to be enabled. For more info google vsync and DWM (Desktop Window Manager). Also, sad to say, SLI does not work for borderless windows. We need a fullscreen option to allow our powerhouses to be fully utilized. Until then, we'll all get about 100 in the wilderness and 40-60 in town.

You havent really read my post, have you? Its an issue with TESO only using roughly half of the 780s (and maybe others cards) full potential, that has nothing to do with aero, vsync (i tried...) and most of all, its not giving 100 fps in the wilderness (as it should).

KracsNZ

Have an MSI GTX 780 max settings (1080p) and even on early access go-live when there were huge numbers around the early quest NPCs never dropped below 60fps. City/towns etc... silky smooth. Win 8.1 with GeForce 335.23 WHQLs. Games been butter smooth for me including during late betas.

Damned

i've kinda got the same problem.
Playing with a msi pc (gt70 20d) and a 780m with some hard stuff.
(mostly overkill components).
i can run every game at full quality without significative problems/fps drop spikes.
I mean...all but this. (even with "low quality" the result is the same)
Every time i open Tes(even with the patcher i noticed the same) my gpu just goes crazy.
Fans go around 80-90% and temperature goes higher(than intended) as well, i can still play but the result is like i'm playing on an airstrip.
this is meant to be the same problem, some pc can't handle those issues and they drop fps, the others try different ways with not much success.

VisceralMonkey

Same issue. i5 at 4.5, two GTX 780's with 1920x1080.

In single mode, it's around 60 but can drop into the 40's. In the hacked together SLI mode it's about the same even thought both GPU's are getting work, but I'm not going to *** about SLI until nvidia gets the official SLI profile out, if ever. I'm concerned that people with single 780's are reporting never dropping below 60...

One possible solution that's worked for other games is to give the GPU more to do, possibly additional AA, etc, that sometimes ramps up usage as well. Not sure about this game though.

KracsNZ

Damned wrote: »

i've kinda got the same problem.
Playing with a msi pc (gt70 20d) and a 780m with some hard stuff.
(mostly overkill components).
i can run every game at full quality without significative problems/fps drop spikes.
I mean...all but this. (even with "low quality" the result is the same)
Every time i open Tes(even with the patcher i noticed the same) my gpu just goes crazy.
Fans go around 80-90% and temperature goes higher(than intended) as well, i can still play but the result is like i'm playing on an airstrip.
this is meant to be the same problem, some pc can't handle those issues and they drop fps, the others try different ways with not much success.

Damned, are you getting any thermal throttling? Laptop I guess with a 780M? Maybe use the logging feature in HWMonitor or similar and record what is happening when you're playing?

Squandarler

I'm having this problem in cities. I suspect it's related more to the number of players in that location than my graphics card, because the game runs very smoothly elsewhere. Not sure if that is the case for OP.

Damned

KracsNZ wrote: »

Damned, are you getting any thermal throttling? Laptop I guess with a 780M? Maybe use the logging feature in HWMonitor or similar and record what is happening when you're playing?

yes but this is not related to "a bad dissipation".
i got hard time to find a program who shown me the temperature/fan speed of my dedicated gpu. (Yes, cause u need a modded version of hwid/msi afterburner on gt70)
these are the standards:
integrated GPU(4600HD): 40-50 degrees
Dedicated GPU(780m): 35-50 degrees
even with some gpu-stresser like Furmark and i got 60-65 degrees at maximum.
But with Tes is entirely different, they both go at 80-85 degrees.

antonyfrnb16_ESO

Maybe the NVidia drivers what are about to drop might fix some of the issue. Hang tight for the 337.xx what are expected very soon.

KracsNZ

Damned wrote: »

yes but this is not related to "a bad dissipation".
i got hard time to find a program who shown me the temperature/fan speed of my dedicated gpu. (Yes, cause u need a modded version of hwid/msi afterburner on gt70)
these are the standards:
integrated GPU(4600HD): 40-50 degrees
Dedicated GPU(780m): 35-50 degrees
even with some gpu-stresser like Furmark and i got 60-65 degrees at maximum.
But with Tes is entirely different, they both go at 80-85 degrees.

Might have to check how much its stressing my desktop GPU when I get home. That's pretty high if Furmark is only hitting 65.

Slightly off-topic: You using the stock cooling from MSI, or have you applied your own thermal compound (no idea what MSI use but Dell's was crap? On my old AW M17x R1 I reduced the temps by around 6-8 degrees centigrade by tearing it apart and applying IC Diamond and better thermal pads. Probably don't want to do that when its under warranty though

LorenzoButtigieg

antonyfrnb16_ESO wrote: »

Maybe the NVidia drivers what are about to drop might fix some of the issue. Hang tight for the 337.xx what are expected very soon.

But will it work with ESO? i was reading it uses some new type of low API technology and not sure if games already out will use it straight away we will just have to wait and see.

Neshira

New Nvidia drivers might help, a bit, probably... but the OPs (and mine) issue is most likely related to the game not "demanding" the 780s full power (fun fact, when i oc'd my card, i did not see any FPS improvement, instead the GPU usage dropped even lower while FPS stayed the same) and that seems like a problem that has to be approached from the game itself.

Damned

KracsNZ wrote: »

the stock cooling from MSI, or have you applied your own thermal compound (no idea what MSI use but Dell's was crap? On my old AW M17x R1 I reduced the temps by around 6-8 degrees centigrade by tearing it apart and applying IC Diamond and better thermal pads. Probably don't want to do that when its under warranty though

Honestly i don't remember what kind of thermal paste msi uses but i didn't get the standard one for sure. Reseller applied the compound again after some changes at the hardware (extra HDD,Ram and the new paste as well).


But afterall, there is no reason to worry about ..tomorrow i'll try to clean up the pc from the dust and probably a patch will fix everything...i hope...

VisceralMonkey

So I found a work around that might or might not work for some of you. I followed the "Down sampling" guide on the link listed below and my GPU performance is much improved, for obvious reasons once you read it. What this does is render your screen at a much higher resolution and then display it at your native resolution. This has the effect of rendering more pixels and giving you a great form of AA. It also has the effect of forcing your GPU to work harder.

Now, there's a performance trade off but because the GPU is already under performing, it works. I'm seeing much higher GPU usage/fps and getting better visuals from the AA effect. Caveot: I'm doing this in SLI, but, it should probably still give you some advantages on a single card.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509076

*If you do not have the "Perform Scaling On GPU" option because you are using an HDTV, leave it at "Display". You'll have to temporality set your desktop resolution to the new higher one you created, but once you start the game and select the new resolution, it still works.

invizo

turn water reflections off, guess I have to bump my other thread

Cannyone

Furian wrote: »

I've benchmarked my card and its well over the normal benchmarks for this card, so I've ruled out a defective graphics card.

The fps varies greatly, with cities being in the subjects range, solo dungeons a bit higher. I feel I should be in the 80+ range all of the time. I've tried disabling anti-aliasing and vsync (both in nvidia control panel, and in game), but it makes no difference.

Any suggestions without sacrificing quality?

I'm running an AMD FX-8350 8 core processor and 16GB of ram.

What resolution are you trying to run at?

I'm running at 1920x1200 with Ultra settings on a Core i5 3570K (quad core) with 16GB of RAM and a GTX-670. And I have a second system that runs at 2560x1440 on Ultra with two GTX 660Ti's in SLI. So if you're running at either of those two resolutions I would think you'd be fine.

Ziz

Ive had this problem from day 1.. hopefully nvidia drivers and REAL full screen will help (when ever they add it)

VisceralMonkey

invizo wrote: »

turn water reflections off, guess I have to bump my other thread

*This. Or turn them down, they eat a stupid amount of FPS.

speckz

antonyfrnb16_ESO wrote: »

OP you got anything running in the background?

I'm getting 70fps v-sync with max settings pre-set and water reflections turned up. I'm running a AMD 955BE 16GB DDR3 and a EVGA GTX 760 SC 4Gb with 338.23 WHQL drivers under windows 8.1 64bit.

Also what is your internet connection speed as sometimes with mmos it can effect your fps I'm on a 80/20Mbps connection

338.23? I do not see that version anywhere on http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx

Nehefer

i7+ 16GB RAM + SSD + 780 user here, no problems to report, save some FPS dips in certain areas.

Neshira

VisceralMonkey wrote: »

So I found a work around that might or might not work for some of you. I followed the "Down sampling" guide on the link listed below and my GPU performance is much improved, for obvious reasons once you read it. What this does is render your screen at a much higher resolution and then display it at your native resolution. This has the effect of rendering more pixels and giving you a great form of AA. It also has the effect of forcing your GPU to work harder.

Now, there's a performance trade off but because the GPU is already under performing, it works. I'm seeing much higher GPU usage/fps and getting better visuals from the AA effect. Caveot: I'm doing this in SLI, but, it should probably still give you some advantages on a single card.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509076

*If you do not have the "Perform Scaling On GPU" option because you are using an HDTV, leave it at "Display". You'll have to temporality set your desktop resolution to the new higher one you created, but once you start the game and select the new resolution, it still works.

That sounds really promising, cant wait to give it a try and see how that affects GPU usage, unfortunately servers are currently down:D

antonyfrnb16_ESO

According to what ive heard that a sli profile is on its way Friday unsure if this is 100% correct or if its going to be via update or driver.

Neshira

After some playing with downsampling, i have to say, yes, the game looks a ton better, no doubt. unfortunately it did not really cause a higher GPU utilization, still hanging around at 60ish %...