Can we please stop with the trypophobic assets?!

Panderbander

There's been this consistent move in the art for the past couple years to include more and more trypophobia inducing assets into this game and while I and others can ignore most of them because they're relatively mild I just can not anymore. Case in point, this:

There is a gaping hole in its throat and just looking at it makes me retch. This is not okay. Seeing this enough will legitimately disincentivize playing this game for me more than anything I've seen so far.

EDIT:
I recognize not everyone has this response. All I want is for ZOS to recognize that in the pursuit of further edgelord art designed to sell products they are legitimately making this game unplayable for a minority of people and if they want to retain folks like me (who have played since beta and spent literally thousands of real world dollars on their products) they should at least try to accommodate.

Kahnak

It IS okay. Move along.

Panderbander

No, it really isn't.

OBJnoob

I was kinda on your side at first OP because I didn't really know what trypophobia meant and I thought it was the gorey/scary aspect you didn't like. Like I thought you didn't want to see innards and such, blood and guts. It doesn't bother me personally but I was generally supportive because like, sure, we could do without that stuff probably.

But then I looked the word up and found out you don't like "irregular patterns" or "small clusters of many holes."

Respectfully, I think your condition is sort've rare, and I think this might just be your problem to solve.

Like if I'm OCD do I get to tell ZOS to stop hanging crooked paintings? I don't think so. I just have to do whatever I can to avoid seeing them myself. Or, better yet, try to get over my phobia.

FantasticFreddie

Have you tried hide group or a similar addon?

spartaxoxo

In the meantime, it should be noted that a few weeks after the initial release of a chapter, the chapter mounts being used tend to slow down. It might be helpful if ZOS gave an option to have all other players in default outfits as a toggle option (which might also help with some other lag issues on low performance systems idk about that), but realistically they can't stop using design elements that people may phobias about as there are too many.

phaneub17_ESO

Must find pictures of 3D tattoos...

Panderbander

OBJnoob wrote: »

I was kinda on your side at first OP because I didn't really know what trypophobia meant and I thought it was the gorey/scary aspect you didn't like. Like I thought you didn't want to see innards and such, blood and guts. It doesn't bother me personally but I was generally supportive because like, sure, we could do without that stuff probably.

But then I looked the word up and found out you don't like "irregular patterns" or "small clusters of many holes."

Respectfully, I think your condition is sort've rare, and I think this might just be your problem to solve.

Like if I'm OCD do I get to tell ZOS to stop hanging crooked paintings? I don't think so. I just have to do whatever I can to avoid seeing them myself. Or, better yet, try to get over my phobia.

It's a catch-all term, and while the small holes thing triggers it as well this evokes the exact same feeling.

It is also not an "oh no I'm scared" type of phobia; it is a legitimate I retched in real life thing. It's not a "get over it" thing; it's an involuntary physical reaction thing.

If you like it, cool, whatever, but it's not a rare thing nor is it something I should have to solve. You may as well tell me to just stop being epileptic (I'm not, but this chapter is clearly hitting that, too).

Other games have found ways to make assets that trigger responses like this palatable, such as arachnophobia mode in Satisfactory.

Erickson9610

spartaxoxo wrote: »

It might be helpful if ZOS gave an option to have all other players in default outfits as a toggle option (which might also help with some other lag issues on low performance systems idk about that)

This is a great idea! I only know of one other game which allows you to view all players in the "default" character model for their team, which, in that game, is immensely helpful for standardizing the competitive experience and for reducing lag from whatever custom character models that server may be using.

That is to say that in ESO, there should be an option to view "minimum models" for both players and mounts. With it, you remove the character appearance diversity but increase performance and standardize the competitive scene.

This change would also help to combat the issue presented in the original post. Perhaps a blacklist system would be most effective for handling which models players do not want to render on their clients.

haelene

Okay, I get what your saying, but if they didn't do it for arachnophobia, I doubt they'll do it for trypophobia.

Amottica

Panderbander wrote: »

OBJnoob wrote: »

I was kinda on your side at first OP because I didn't really know what trypophobia meant and I thought it was the gorey/scary aspect you didn't like. Like I thought you didn't want to see innards and such, blood and guts. It doesn't bother me personally but I was generally supportive because like, sure, we could do without that stuff probably.

But then I looked the word up and found out you don't like "irregular patterns" or "small clusters of many holes."

Respectfully, I think your condition is sort've rare, and I think this might just be your problem to solve.

Like if I'm OCD do I get to tell ZOS to stop hanging crooked paintings? I don't think so. I just have to do whatever I can to avoid seeing them myself. Or, better yet, try to get over my phobia.

It's a catch-all term, and while the small holes thing triggers it as well this evokes the exact same feeling.

It is also not an "oh no I'm scared" type of phobia; it is a legitimate I retched in real life thing. It's not a "get over it" thing; it's an involuntary physical reaction thing.

If you like it, cool, whatever, but it's not a rare thing nor is it something I should have to solve. You may as well tell me to just stop being epileptic (I'm not, but this chapter is clearly hitting that, too).

Other games have found ways to make assets that trigger responses like this palatable, such as arachnophobia mode in Satisfactory.

Considering many triggers are everyday things like bread, strawberries, rolls and bagels with seeds, and swiss cheese I do not see there are enough people notably affected by this so that Zenimax needs to address it. The flashing lights we have in game have a much more profound effect on people sensitive to such things.

Hapexamendios

It's just ugly.

TaSheen

Hapexamendios wrote: »

It's just ugly.

Yeah. Which is why they didn't get my money.

Braffin

Hapexamendios wrote: »

It's just ugly.

Well, that's not a sufficient argument.

Countless players have to live with the flapping eyesore called twilight and there are enough players out there which simply don't care.

In my opinion there has to be found a general solution for health-wise harmful, immersion breaking and otherwise undesired visuals caused by other players. Someone mentioned a "blacklist" which would allow each player to define what he needs excluded from sight.

rootkitronin

Definitely going to use this mount on all of my characters now.

OBJnoob

Panderbander wrote: »

OBJnoob wrote: »

I was kinda on your side at first OP because I didn't really know what trypophobia meant and I thought it was the gorey/scary aspect you didn't like. Like I thought you didn't want to see innards and such, blood and guts. It doesn't bother me personally but I was generally supportive because like, sure, we could do without that stuff probably.

But then I looked the word up and found out you don't like "irregular patterns" or "small clusters of many holes."

Respectfully, I think your condition is sort've rare, and I think this might just be your problem to solve.

Like if I'm OCD do I get to tell ZOS to stop hanging crooked paintings? I don't think so. I just have to do whatever I can to avoid seeing them myself. Or, better yet, try to get over my phobia.

It's a catch-all term, and while the small holes thing triggers it as well this evokes the exact same feeling.

It is also not an "oh no I'm scared" type of phobia; it is a legitimate I retched in real life thing. It's not a "get over it" thing; it's an involuntary physical reaction thing.

If you like it, cool, whatever, but it's not a rare thing nor is it something I should have to solve. You may as well tell me to just stop being epileptic (I'm not, but this chapter is clearly hitting that, too).

Other games have found ways to make assets that trigger responses like this palatable, such as arachnophobia mode in Satisfactory.

Well. I apologize for my ignorance regarding the word. And I'm not trying to be rude. But again... If I'm allergic to peanuts, do I go around telling restaurants what to put on their menu? Or am I responsible for finding my own places to eat?

What is sad is that apparently ESO didn't have a lot of it in the past and now you're seeing more and more and it makes you sick. I do have sympathy for you... That sucks. I'm not really into stuff like that either-- I'm just fortunate not to have the phobia you have.

And just so you know even the "I'm so scared" phobias can manifest themselves with physical malady. Yours isn't the only phobia that is serious or handicapping. And many of them can be gotten over in various ways.

I'm not trying to belittle your condition at all. I just think it is the role of companies to put out a product and the role of consumers to find one they like. While being kind can often be lucrative in that a company may take feedback from consumers and try to make their product more appealing in order to sell more... They aren't really morally obligated to. Nor are they financially obligated if perhaps they have other consumers who are perfectly happy.

I would assume the evolution of their art has something to do with, historically, what has or hasn't sold well.

Jestir

I think many would be happy to have the ability to swap what you see of other peoples mounts to a basic stock version of it

Giant thunderstorm-my god is that the final boss horse someone just hopped on would be a basic default horse and my eardrums don't burst because I stood by the wayshrine to check my map

And my man here just sees a basic ?deer? instead of trying to do this

But that defeats the purpose of why people spent hundreds of dollars on crown crates, does it not?

TaSheen

I.... just don't see stuff like that. I'm - oblivious to others' mounts, costumes etc. Sorry, it's just not a problem for me.

Braffin

Bleakz wrote: »

I think many would be happy to have the ability to swap what you see of other peoples mounts to a basic stock version of it

Giant thunderstorm-my god is that the final boss horse someone just hopped on would be a basic default horse and my eardrums don't burst because I stood by the wayshrine to check my map

And my man here just sees a basic ?deer? instead of trying to do this

But that defeats the purpose of why people spent hundreds of dollars on crown crates, does it not?

These people exist indeed. But do I really need to care about the hurt feelings of such an individuum? Well, I don't think so.

propertyOfUndefined

The mount looks amazing. I was actually tempted to upgrade to the deluxe edition for it. Don't yuck others' yums.

Hapexamendios

Braffin wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

It's just ugly.

Well, that's not a sufficient argument.

Countless players have to live with the flapping eyesore called twilight and there are enough players out there which simply don't care.

In my opinion there has to be found a general solution for health-wise harmful, immersion breaking and otherwise undesired visuals caused by other players. Someone mentioned a "blacklist" which would allow each player to define what he needs excluded from sight.

What argument? Just stating what I thought of it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Panderbander

I don't want anyone to think I don't want them to have or use this mount if they like it, but I would absolutely say that if ZOS is intent on releasing stuff like this there should be an option to turn it off, kinda like how if you're allergic to peanuts you typically have the option to omit the peanuts from the food you ordered rather than being told that you have to eat peanuts or leave.

Norith_Gilheart_Flail

Should Spiders be replaced with other assets for the arachnophobics? Of which there are going to be a lot more of.

What about all those Snakes?

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Panderbander

Zavijah_Arventi wrote: »

Should Spiders be replaced with other assets for the arachnophobics? Of which there are going to be a lot more of.

What about all those Snakes?

Yes.

FantasticFreddie

Panderbander wrote: »

Zavijah_Arventi wrote: »

Should Spiders be replaced with other assets for the arachnophobics? Of which there are going to be a lot more of.

What about all those Snakes?

Yes.

At some point you just gotta either suck it up or find a game that suits you better. Getting rid of every animal, sight and sound that someone might have a phobia of is just asking for a flavorless world.

And again, hide group.

Northwold

Very sorry but I literally had to look up what this is supposed to be and there seems to be a general lack of willingness among psychiatrists even to consider this a phobia rather than a disgust response. With something this niche (and largely non-threatening), I don't think it's reasonable to expect the game to accommodate it. Indeed, it sounds like this concept (including its name) has been largely developed via lay discussions on social media rather than in the medical community.

There is a much more common, recognised phobia of octopuses and various other tentacled sea creatures, which I would have thought would be a much bigger issue for Necrom. Lovecraft is thought to have had a bad case of it (hence Cthulhu).

Vevvev

While I have Trypophobia I don't really get it looking at that mount. Of course I had to Google what trypophobia meant, and immediately found myself trying to hold in my dinner at the sight of the pictures that came up. No thank you, lol.

I think it helps that when I look at that monster I see just a silly monster with a big mouth. It's not a bunch of repeating holes, but just one big one. Having a single mouth and a single throat is just... normal. It's just normal for a monster to have that. Now if it had 5+... I might start to get that nauseous feeling. The dozens of eyes on the other hand are eyes, and I don't get that same feeling out of it.

edit: I'm now seriously regretting Googling that word lol. I don't feel so good...

caesarvs

people complain about EVERYTHING, omg

Aislinna

Braffin wrote: »

Bleakz wrote: »

I think many would be happy to have the ability to swap what you see of other peoples mounts to a basic stock version of it

Giant thunderstorm-my god is that the final boss horse someone just hopped on would be a basic default horse and my eardrums don't burst because I stood by the wayshrine to check my map

And my man here just sees a basic ?deer? instead of trying to do this

But that defeats the purpose of why people spent hundreds of dollars on crown crates, does it not?

These people exist indeed. But do I really need to care about the hurt feelings of such an individuum? Well, I don't think so.

I find it ironic that in a thread asking for people to care about another person's issue, this statement is even made.

Braffin

Aislinna wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Bleakz wrote: »

I think many would be happy to have the ability to swap what you see of other peoples mounts to a basic stock version of it

Giant thunderstorm-my god is that the final boss horse someone just hopped on would be a basic default horse and my eardrums don't burst because I stood by the wayshrine to check my map

And my man here just sees a basic ?deer? instead of trying to do this

But that defeats the purpose of why people spent hundreds of dollars on crown crates, does it not?

These people exist indeed. But do I really need to care about the hurt feelings of such an individuum? Well, I don't think so.

I find it ironic that in a thread asking for people to care about another person's issue, this statement is even made.

It's your right to do so. Nonetheless the question is legitimate too. You (not you in person of course) want me to care? Then you'll have to give me reason to do so.

There were several threads made today about visual we should care about. Some of them, like motion sickness due to crux, made reasonable argument and I care.

This trypophobic (I also had to google the term) thread was already a bit trickier, but I nonetheless try to understand the (quite niche) problem and think about a constructive solution.

But if somebody is asking me to care for people which are sad because they possibly loose their ability to "show off" in a video game (I'm not targeting you @Bleakz, you only provided the occassion), then I don't care. And believe it or not, I don't feel bad about it. Not in the slightest.

spartaxoxo

Northwold wrote: »

Very sorry but I literally had to look up what this is supposed to be and there seems to be a general lack of willingness among psychiatrists even to consider this a phobia rather than a disgust response.

It's actually seems to be a general willingness to consider it real and they are currently researching if it should be in dsm.

Moreover, a symptom scale has been developed and validated for the study of trypophobia. One of the mysteries that have not been solved yet is that there are people who express disgust, while others express fear or both to trypophobic images. Assuming trypophobia is due to evolution, then it makes sense to ask why some people react with disgust while others react with fear? This problem is key for the clinical understanding of trypophobia as a specific phobia and it has not been answered yet.

Results: Trypophobic images were found to increase both heart rate and heart rate variability, but only in individuals with high scores on the Trypophobia Questionnaire. Trypophobic images were also found to elicit larger haemodynamic responses in posterior cortical areas, but again only in individuals with high scores.

Limitations: The results are consistent with a contribution from both parasympathetic and sympathetic systems.

Conclusion: The data demonstrate the validity of the Trypophobia Questionnaire and show an involvement not only of the autonomic system but cortical mechanisms including cortical hyperexcitability.

One hundred and ninety-five individuals completed the questionnaire. Symptoms were chronic and persistent. The most common associated comorbidities were major depressive disorder and generalized anxiety disorder. Trypophobia was associated with significant psychological distress and impairment. The majority of individuals experienced disgust rather than fear when confronted with clusters of holes, but were more likely to meet DSM-5 criteria for specific phobia than for obsessive-compulsive disorder. Symptom severity and duration were associated with functional impairment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5811467/#S4title

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32663944/

https://www.scielo.br/j/rbp/a/h7YPfmhBSwfmBGTRxjPPqJz/?lang=en

Considering they have already been able to show people do experience these symptoms, I think we can accept that OP probably does.

I don't agree with their solution of not designing things this way anymore. As I said earlier, I think a toggle to make people in basic cosmetics would be better as it might also have the benefit of performance improvements. And that would benefit a broader range of people while also alleviating a number of accessibility issues with the cosmetic visuals.