Please implement safe fishing zone in imperial city

nebula3832

As per title please zos consider implementing a safe zone around the fishing spots only for people trying to get the achievement in imperial city similar to the entrance ports where if you step out you can get targeted please

TaSheen

Are you going for Master Angle? IC isn't needed for that....

nebula3832

Hi tasheen trying to complete all zone achievements ic is going to be impossible got killed not even a minute into fishing

Braffin

Yes, IC can be a pain for fishing 😆

But I am definitely against a change here, no need to take away the last bits of pvp which remain in this game.

Deal with it as many before you or let this single achievment be.

And if you do: Maybe don't try to do your fishing during MYM. Not the best time for it.

TaSheen

nebula3832 wrote: »

Hi tasheen trying to complete all zone achievements ic is going to be impossible got killed not even a minute into fishing

Uh. Okay. Doing that in IC or Cyro in the middle of the Mayhem PVP event is.... inadvisable. Wait untli July, pick a VERY low pop IC campaign, and try it then.

"Wait until July" is because after this current situation with Mayhem, there's another one coming up in June.

katanagirl1

No, I got that achievement just fine. Some “enemies” fished with me, some ganked me. That’s just the way it is.

nebula3832

Granted chasing achievement during event is not helping and understand its a pvp area but can anyone give a good reason why a small safe zone around the fishing spot would seriously affect anyone?
No one kills players in the rest of tamerial chasing fishing achievement so i think it would be fair to say if cant get fishing achievement in ic then let's make the rest of tamerial fishing spots ability to kill players chasing fishing achievement to be fair

Hapexamendios

In addition to what others have said, try to position yourself in a way where you can have a good field of vision. I would position myself with my back to a wall and try to have as wide a field of vision as possible.

Braffin

nebula3832 wrote: »

Granted chasing achievement during event is not helping and understand its a pvp area but can anyone give a good reason why a small safe zone around the fishing spot would seriously affect anyone?
No one kills players in the rest of tamerial chasing fishing achievement so i think it would be fair to say if cant get fishing achievement in ic then let's make the rest of tamerial fishing spots ability to kill players chasing fishing achievement to be fair

I get your frustration, it's not a good experience when you get killed while you are doing a relaxing activity (I also like to fish in this game, didn't even stop after I git my achievements).

But consider the following 2 points:
1) When you enter IC you take a player spot in a zone with population cap. The zone is made for pvpve, so wether you like it or not you are supposed to do pvp in there and therefore are a valid target to any enemy player.
2) The safespot you suggest couldn't (and surely wouldn't) only be used for fishing but also (and probably mainly) for pvp. If you know a safe place, where enemy damage can't recieve you, and can reach it in time you gain a huge advantage over your enemy. So the places around the safezones would be the hottest part of the whole map.

I advise you to wait till both MYMs are over and then look for either a low populated campaign or one which is dominated by your alliance and go there when it's quiet (for example late evening under the week).

You could also bring a friend or guildmate for fishing to increase your chances (in fishing and surviving).

And if everything else fails and you play on PC EU, contact me and my nightblade will be at your service, guarding you for free (it's indeed quite enjoyable to gank gankers which are aiming for helpless fisherman)

Dojohoda

I (DC) fished all of Cyrodiil and IC with my eso friend (AD) who was an enemy. It's doable but PVP can happen since it's a pvp zone. It's probably the only exciting fishing in the whole game!

Best wishes! I hope it doesn't take too long.

nebula3832

Braffin wrote: »

nebula3832 wrote: »

Granted chasing achievement during event is not helping and understand its a pvp area but can anyone give a good reason why a small safe zone around the fishing spot would seriously affect anyone?
No one kills players in the rest of tamerial chasing fishing achievement so i think it would be fair to say if cant get fishing achievement in ic then let's make the rest of tamerial fishing spots ability to kill players chasing fishing achievement to be fair

I get your frustration, it's not a good experience when you get killed while you are doing a relaxing activity (I also like to fish in this game, didn't even stop after I git my achievements).

But consider the following 2 points:
1) When you enter IC you take a player spot in a zone with population cap. The zone is made for pvpve, so wether you like it or not you are supposed to do pvp in there and therefore are a valid target to any enemy player.
2) The safespot you suggest couldn't (and surely wouldn't) only be used for fishing but also (and probably mainly) for pvp. If you know a safe place, where enemy damage can't recieve you, and can reach it in time you gain a huge advantage over your enemy. So the places around the safezones would be the hottest part of the whole map.

I advise you to wait till both MYMs are over and then look for either a low populated campaign or one which is dominated by your alliance and go there when it's quiet (for example late evening under the week).

You could also bring a friend or guildmate for fishing to increase your chances (in fishing and surviving).

And if everything else fails and you play on PC EU, contact me and my nightblade will be at your service, guarding you for free (it's indeed quite enjoyable to gank gankers which are aiming for helpless fisherman)

This makes sense your right never thought off those points im new to pvp thanks for offer unfortunately im xbox na otherwise would definitely contact you urgghh guess im going to have to be patient and die trying lol 🤣

sarahthes

If you crouch immediately after casting you can fish while invisible. FYI.

SickleCider

New mythic: can't damage or heal other players and can't be damaged or healed by other players. Guards at keeps and RSS work under the same rules. Can't place/interact with siege or camps, can't repair/damage structures, can't interact with flags, scrolls or hammer. No passive accumulation of credit toward IC/Cyro dailies (capture, etc.). Maybe even renders all players not using the mythic invisible and vice versa so you can't even scout or spy.

(Not an original concept, I've seen similar things suggested.)

thorwyn

New mythic: can't damage or heal other players and can't be damaged or healed by other players. Guards at keeps and RSS work under the same rules. Can't place/interact with siege or camps, can't repair/damage structures, can't interact with flags, scrolls or hammer. No passive accumulation of credit toward IC/Cyro dailies (capture, etc.). Maybe even renders all players not using the mythic invisible and vice versa so you can't even scout or spy.

So basically a "make me untouchable until I decide to take it off" item? Doesn't sound like a well thought out idea tbh.

Anyways, IC is a PvP zone and if you want to get the achievements there, you have to deal with the circumstances. "Oh, but I just want this achievement" is not a valid argument. Collecting sky shards, killing bosses etc. are PvE activities too, so why should fishing be treated differently?

dem0n1k

it's all fished out in IC anyways

richo262

Pro tip, don't go fishing in an event. IC is nowhere near as populated when there is no events.

WySoSirius

Don't need safe fishing zone in IC in my opinion
Completed it with only a couple back stabbing ganks , funnily enough you get the rares quite quickly anyway
Just pick a quiet time during event or when event is over , you will find it easy and no disruption for the most of it

Jaimeh

No, I don't think they should change it, IC was always a mixed PvP/PvE zone. However, I suggest that you wait till the event is over and fish during quieter times of the day. I didn't run into any enemies when I did my fishing a few years back, it was surprisingly easy.

Tommy_The_Gun

Bad idea to fish in IC, let alone during event. You would need a group for that for protection. Your best chances (if you are alone) is to wait til even ends (and not just when it ends, but for people to lose 2h AP bonus as many will keep it on their characters). Then maybe you could try it. Oh and don't mind population infractor in IC. 1 Bar still means at least 10 players per Alliance per district.

Anyway - PvE objectives always had trouble to coexists in PvP zone as they are fixed in place and if the zone is small & cramped (just like IC is) - those are bound to be camped by gankers & groups. Think of it as if Cyro was only one PvE Questing hub City with same population limit.

Also, I have no idea if they changed that, but I think I remember that when I was doing Master Angler in Cyrodill, I think it was possible to remain hidden (crouch stealth) during fishing, but your character would de-cloak only when catching fish & when starting to fish.

miteba

I understand the "need" but i don't agree with safe zones in PvP maps...

We have sets for stealth, invisibility potions, sprint Mythic, groups, etc...

That feeling of excitment, anxiety, nervousness is part of the PvP experience...

Getting out of your confort zone, even when on a game, will give you these feelings and bring your creativity/resourcefulness to surpass/avoid them.

Tandor

Braffin wrote: »

Yes, IC can be a pain for fishing 😆

But I am definitely against a change here, no need to take away the last bits of pvp which remain in this game.

Deal with it as many before you or let this single achievment be.

And if you do: Maybe don't try to do your fishing during MYM. Not the best time for it.

That's a bit of an overstatement, there's Cyrodiil and Battlegrounds which are intended to be solely PvP content, so I don't sympathise with those who want the PvE scraps in Cyrodiil to be separately instanced. There's also duelling which PvEers have to put up with around wayshrines and crafting stations etc. Imperial City, however, is intended to be a mix of PvP and PvE so I can understand that those who look to do the PvE content are frustrated that it's locked behind PvP while the PvPers are entitled to consider PvEers fair game. I certainly wouldn't advocate changing it now and you're right about not trying to do e.g. fishing during a PvP event!

Braffin

Tandor wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Yes, IC can be a pain for fishing 😆

But I am definitely against a change here, no need to take away the last bits of pvp which remain in this game.

Deal with it as many before you or let this single achievment be.

And if you do: Maybe don't try to do your fishing during MYM. Not the best time for it.

That's a bit of an overstatement, there's Cyrodiil and Battlegrounds which are intended to be solely PvP content, so I don't sympathise with those who want the PvE scraps in Cyrodiil to be separately instanced. There's also duelling which PvEers have to put up with around wayshrines and crafting stations etc. Imperial City, however, is intended to be a mix of PvP and PvE so I can understand that those who look to do the PvE content are frustrated that it's locked behind PvP while the PvPers are entitled to consider PvEers fair game. I certainly wouldn't advocate changing it now and you're right about not trying to do e.g. fishing during a PvP event!

I have to admit pvp won't die if there are no killable fishermans around IC

Hoghorn

i did the ic fishing achievements earlier this year, i was attacked 3 times, died twice, last time the player gave up and ran away. this was on an undergeared necromancer, all during prime time. poor decision to fish during a pvp event aside, try the no cp campaign, i did some of it in there since it's usually quieter.

FantasticFreddie

Part of being in pvp zones is the risk, but there is also something to be said for the sheer number of people who will respect that you are just there to quest or fish and..... leave you alone.

When I was questing in Cyrodiil, the number of times people saw me and let me live greatly outnumber the times I got wrecked. Even on towns or on dolmens, I had entire guild groups see me, and then just let me ride by.
I've only done a bit of the quests in IC, real life interrupted my questing, but by and large, people were letting me quest and skyshard in peace there as well.

I don't begrudge people the free AP or telvar from killing me, and I never EXPECT to be let go, but it always makes my day better when someone who CAN kill let's me live to turn in another quest.

UnabashedlyHonest

I noticed that wearing one of they Xyvkin polymorphs while fishing in IC greatly reduced the number of people who noticed me. IC is a PvP zone, so there really shouldn't be any "safe" place IMO.

I_killed_Vivec

I found it hilarious that even when I'm fishing, gankers would double team on me!

My death recap would show two attackers' ultimates plus whatever else they threw at me... just what were they thinking?

"Oh look, a fisherman, his back is turned, he can't know I'm here... I'll just gank him ... heavy attack ultimate combo from stealth, he won't even see it coming... silly fisherman"

"On second thoughts, better be careful, he obviously knows how to handle that rod... better get someone else to help out"

Fishing in IC... just remember, the bullies are even more scared than you are!

SickleCider

thorwyn wrote: »

New mythic: can't damage or heal other players and can't be damaged or healed by other players. Guards at keeps and RSS work under the same rules. Can't place/interact with siege or camps, can't repair/damage structures, can't interact with flags, scrolls or hammer. No passive accumulation of credit toward IC/Cyro dailies (capture, etc.). Maybe even renders all players not using the mythic invisible and vice versa so you can't even scout or spy.

So basically a "make me untouchable until I decide to take it off" item? Doesn't sound like a well thought out idea tbh.

Anyways, IC is a PvP zone and if you want to get the achievements there, you have to deal with the circumstances. "Oh, but I just want this achievement" is not a valid argument. Collecting sky shards, killing bosses etc. are PvE activities too, so why should fishing be treated differently?

I was trying to go more for "I basically don't exist," because people shouldn't get PVP based benefits if they're not engaging in PVP imo. You mentioning the IC bosses does bring up a potential conflict. There'd be nothing to stop someone from tagging a boss whose health is dropping because it's being attacked by players who can't even see/be seen by them. Concept needs to go back in the oven. 🤔

Ragnarok0130

Braffin wrote: »

And if you do: Maybe don't try to do your fishing during MYM. Not the best time for it.

This is the best course of action, don't venture into a normally dead PVP area when it's flooded with players due to an event.

notyuu

1: stack up so much HP and heals that you end up an unkillable blob, sure you won't kill anybody like that, but the point is to surrive until they get bored and wander off

2: try not going to IC during the PvP event, less chance of finding somebody that way

Grizzbeorn

No.
There should NOT be a safe "No PvP" area inside a PvP zone.

It's not like you end up there by accident; you willfully CHOOSE to enter a PvP zone.
Therefore, you inherit the risk.

If you want less risk, don't attempt to go there in the middle of a popular event. That's insane.

ProudMary

UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »

I noticed that wearing one of they Xyvkin polymorphs while fishing in IC greatly reduced the number of people who noticed me. IC is a PvP zone, so there really shouldn't be any "safe" place IMO.

Interesting idea. You'd still have the icons above your head indicating your faction and health, but otherwise you'd blend right in.