Please remove either invisbility or change nightblades

Heals_With_Orbs

As stated, either remove invisibility from ESO or change nightblades so they don't just wipe people in PVP

This is PVP isn't it? or is it PVI? - Player vs Invisible? We aren't playing aliens vs predator are we?

I just don't understand why we have to constantly look over our shoulders, use spells like magelight that have a poor range or constantly guzzle expensive potions just because there's one player who's going to wipe 4 people at once inside a keep, or suddenly appear at a resource, etc etc etc.

This isnt what PVP should be about, it should be about P L A Y E R vs P L A Y E R - not fighting Arnies predator who has an unfair advantage

Sorry nightblade fans, but I think this class, although cool, is too overpowered

No doubt there will be a bunch of guys who say "leave ma' nightblade alone bro' - but I'm not interested in listening to that, don't even bother replying

Unless anyone has any better suggestions, something needs to be changed at least

Its bad enough trying to tackle these irritating wardens with stuns on heal, mara's balm cheese builds, tower huggers and players who seem to read a magazine while 20 people cant kill them

SpacemanSpiff1

someone doesnt know how to counter stealth

N3CR01

How about no?

BloodyStigmata

They're strong but not unbeatable.

If you want to PVP, go in prepared. You have abilities and potions that reveal people in stealth or things that increase your detection radius. Try them. Or try finding where your specific weak points are, because your opponent was certainly able to.

But don't go asking to have one of the classes most defining characteristics removed just because you, the individual, can't play around it, when better players than you have been doing it for years. The whole thing that makes nightblades what they are in PVP is stealth. That's what they do. It's the whole point.

o_Primate_o

Heals_With_Orbs wrote: »

As stated, either remove invisibility from ESO or change nightblades so they don't just wipe people in PVP

This is PVP isn't it? or is it PVI? - Player vs Invisible? We aren't playing aliens vs predator are we?

I just don't understand why we have to constantly look over our shoulders, use spells like magelight that have a poor range or constantly guzzle expensive potions just because there's one player who's going to wipe 4 people at once inside a keep, or suddenly appear at a resource, etc etc etc.

This isnt what PVP should be about, it should be about P L A Y E R vs P L A Y E R - not fighting Arnies predator who has an unfair advantage

Sorry nightblade fans, but I think this class, although cool, is too overpowered

No doubt there will be a bunch of guys who say "leave ma' nightblade alone bro' - but I'm not interested in listening to that, don't even bother replying

Unless anyone has any better suggestions, something needs to be changed at least

Its bad enough trying to tackle these irritating wardens with stuns on heal, mara's balm cheese builds, tower huggers and players who seem to read a magazine while 20 people cant kill them

put a dot on them. even if they cleanse, that eats resources.

KlauthWarthog

Shadowy Disguise has plenty of counters. The actual problem is Shadow Image.

Gadamlub14_ESO

its a nightblade. stealth is its sorta its thematic archtype. No. Learn how to detect stealth better. there are potions, champion points and skills to counter stealth. Go slot in magelight

emilyhyoyeon

I'm never understanding what the issue with using potions is. In terms of money, not sure what the difference is between refusing to spend money on potions vs refusing to spend money on improving gear vs refusing to spend currency on siege, etc. Like these are things that you need to invest in to be on equal footing with those that do.

I haven't had to spend money buying ingredients to make reveal potions myself in YEARS just from casually doing writs and harvesting mats.

Also (in the vanilla game at least) there's no indication on the stealther's side that they were revealed by a potion or that you have a potion reveal active. This might help you use them more effectively.

axi

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

someone doesnt know how to counter stealth

Someone doesn't know the difference between stealth and invisibility.

Mannjdyr

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

...no indication on the stealther's side that they were revealed by a potion or that you have a potion reveal active. This might help you use them more effectively.

WaywardArgonian

Judging by what you said about NBs wiping multiple players at once inside keeps or at resources, I assume you are talking about bombers.

If you're constantly getting bombed, then it's on you to better anticipate these situations. Bombers add a bit of flavor to the PVP experience as they punish players for slacking and/or getting too comfy within a large group. Once you become aware of their tactics, it becomes quite easy to counter them or at least to avoid getting exploded along with an entire zerg.

Invisibility in general is pretty easily countered and Nightblades who use it as a crutch will often die fast.

Shihp00

I thought this thread was from 2014 or something L0L

axi

Gadamlub14_ESO wrote: »

its a nightblade. stealth is its sorta its thematic archtype. No. Learn how to detect stealth better. there are potions, champion points and skills to counter stealth. Go slot in magelight

Sorc's archetype is mobility but streak still have a drawback.

emilyhyoyeon

Mannjdyr wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

...no indication on the stealther's side that they were revealed by a potion or that you have a potion reveal active. This might help you use them more effectively.

what's funny?

starkerealm

Heals_With_Orbs wrote: »

I just don't understand...

Yeah, if you're dying to nightblades one shotting you from invisibility, invisibility wasn't the issue, they were already in stealth, and every class can go into stealth. The only thing unique about Nightblades is how easily they can get back into stealth when they realize they bit off more than they could kill.

starkerealm

KlauthWarthog wrote: »

Shadowy Disguise has plenty of counters. The actual problem is Shadow Image.

You mean the critical part of the Nightblade's toolkit to breaking the vicious cycle of "Flap around and find out?"

wazzz56

Hold block when stacking on a flag...or maybe don't stack on a flag at all..keep your hots up.....keep your dmg mit buffs up..use one of the many ground aoes that you have access to through class, weapon or othe skill lines...invest in some detect pots....lots of ways to counter nbs, both single target and bombers......or they could just remove the class identity from the class.....

Bat

Gadamlub14_ESO wrote: »

its a nightblade. stealth is its sorta its thematic archtype. No. Learn how to detect stealth better. there are potions, champion points and skills to counter stealth. Go slot in magelight

From what distance can a ganker gank?

Is the Magelight radius big enough to envelop a ganker within their range of ganking?

starkerealm

Bat wrote: »

Gadamlub14_ESO wrote: »

its a nightblade. stealth is its sorta its thematic archtype. No. Learn how to detect stealth better. there are potions, champion points and skills to counter stealth. Go slot in magelight

From what distance can a ganker gank?

Is the Magelight radius big enough to envelop a ganker within their range of ganking?

For the really dangerous forms of ganking (in this context), yes, Mage Light has you covered. Also, blocking while taking a point is just a good idea.

Getting picked off by a NB while you're on horseback racing to your destination sucks, but it's rare. Getting bombed while you and four of your closest friends secondary explosions cluster up on a capture point is to be expected, and you can prepare for that. Hell, keeping caltrops down around the flag while capturing can short circuit this before it gets going.

starkerealm

There's a very important concept for everyone in this thread struggling to deal with nightblades: Counterplay is not Always Reactive

Some counterplay requires proactive steps from you based on when you expect a foe to strike. It's not about chugging potions every 45s while you're in cyrodiil, it's about knowing that if there's a NB out there, they'll strike now.

wazzz56

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@Kirawolfe it is the only way true balance can be achieved

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Zyva

Nightblades, and stealth, are very core concepts to pvping in cyro or IC. And countering them is simple experience and learning the game.

First you go in prepared for pvp. Have a good health resource pool. Stealth attackers will always go for the lower health target when possible. Wear Impen. And dont stack with other players, as there are many sets that bombers take advantage of where the person with low health next to you dies and you get some of that damage... times it by as many people who die and it can be a huge explosion.

Block on resources while waiting for them to flip. Dont sprint to the wayshrine right after a take. There is something hilarious about watching your own faction explode for making these simple mistakes.

There are even more ways to prevent nightblade assassinations. These are just a few. And its easy and costs very little. Just experience. Which is a very nice thing, because you get a feeling of being an actual 'veteran' to the war in cyro when you stop getting ganked and successfully avoid common mistakes that new pvp players make.

Azirel

I'd suggest we remove DKs from the game instead. Currently, difficulty curve & final outcome of playing DK vs NB is tremendous, especially when you can just passively kill people while headbanging the keyboard.

SgtWinnie

Thanks for the late April fools day laugh!

Jamie_Aubrey

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

someone doesnt know how to counter stealth

You can't, so many times I've used magelight when standing on top of NBs and they still vanish

ProudMary

NB invisibility should have duration of 50% or less than what it is now, or have steeply increasing cost for every use after first within a minute. Also, NB's shouldn't be able to cloak within 3 seconds of initiating a fight.

NB invisibility has always been unfair in PvP, especially when combined with such a strong toolbox of other skills, like soul tether.

wolfie1.0.

I am feeling and odd sense of deadra vu here... like I have seen this post before....

Varana

"I got killed by X, nerf X!", 8738578th iteration.

ForzaRammer

Remove invis is a bit much, however I think detect pot should be buffed

Dragonlord573

How about you slot Evil Hunter and stop having to deal with them being invisible?

axi

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Remove invis is a bit much, however I think detect pot should be buffed

I really don't think that the best way to deal with a fact that certain ability have a tendency to overperform is to throw some semi counters into the game.

Strong abilities should have drawbacks built into them same as streak or dodge has or old mist had. People claim there is plenty of counters to cloak but the thing is each of these counters can be countered by nb without any additional investments just by using things naturally present in their kit. On the other hand to use cloak counters player needs to sacrifice something. Detect pot means player wont use more desired potion for 45 seconds meaning loss of alteast one usefull buff which may be crucial to the fight. Detection abilities means loss of skill slot for some other abilities more usefull in other scenarios plus cost vs duration ratio is not the best.

Some time ago there was atleast natural drawback for nb that was being more squishy in more open fights due to lack of strong burst healing but right now that only drawback is gone. Nb base survival without cloak is as strong or even stronger than on other classes, his dmg is one of the best currently so there is really no excuse to keep cloak the way it is.