Couldn’t break free regardless of stamina

Caribou77

There was an NB in battlegrounds last night whose stun would kill me every time because I couldn’t break free regardless of stamina. When he stunned me, I was totally unable to do anything but get wailed on for 5 seconds and die.

Note it was one player; did not have this problem breaking free of other stuns & cc’s.

Does anyone know how a player is able do it? I think it was Incap he was using. I don’t play NB, so I’m inteterested to know how this is done and if there is s way to defend against it.

Thanks in advance ☺️

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baselesschart

Stun lock, or lag probably. As far as I am aware there is no intended debuff or feature to prevent you from breaking free from a stun.

NordSwordnBoard

I think the server fails when you are hit with an immobilize and stun combo and sometimes makes you break free from both, possibly more than once. I've done this to people on multiple classes.Never on purpose, it's just been part of my kit getting new effects from the server.
A well placed meteor can kill a person because you kill them before the server figures out what to do.

Cast_El

If you play with a controller their is a bug with last update... You need to hold on the block button then try to break free. It's awful

Caribou77

Thank you Cast. I do play with a controller.

Good grief. The bugs with basic necessary functions are hard to stomach.

MEBengalsFan2001

Used a skill that desync you and than followed it up with a stun causing you to lose the ability to break free. I see this commonly used with DK, NB, and recently Wardens. Its issue like this that makes playing ESO PVP annoying and at times make player quit for a while.

Even with immovable POTs you get stunned because of the desync. It's one of the most annoying things going on with ESO. Game is broken and the devs are putting time and energy into a new class instead of actually fixing the underlining issues making the game unenjoyable in PVE and PVP.

Jaimeh

Caribou77 wrote: »

Thank you Cast. I do play with a controller.

Good grief. The bugs with basic necessary functions are hard to stomach.

Yup, I've had the exact same experience with the controller since the last update, it's pretty awful given muscle memory, and the need to break-free asap.

Turtle_Bot

Jaimeh wrote: »

Caribou77 wrote: »

Thank you Cast. I do play with a controller.

Good grief. The bugs with basic necessary functions are hard to stomach.

Yup, I've had the exact same experience with the controller since the last update, it's pretty awful given muscle memory, and the need to break-free asap.

As someone whose ping is 300 at best (yay for no OCE servers), Slippery CP is going to be your best friend while this bug exists.

BlakMarket

The bug has got worse this patch, everyone I play with has been talking about it - now my character will freeze completely like a time freeze when certain cc's stack.

I thought I would see it being more spoken about on forums tbh.

Turtle_Bot

BlakMarket wrote: »

The bug has got worse this patch, everyone I play with has been talking about it - now my character will freeze completely like a time freeze when certain cc's stack.

I thought I would see it being more spoken about on forums tbh.

It's probably because the servers outside of PC NA have had similar levels of this bug for months/years now that it hasn't seemed as though anything has changed for them, it has been an issue for a while now though, especially with desync on top of it and doesn't seem to be getting any better...

MEBengalsFan2001

BlakMarket wrote: »

The bug has got worse this patch, everyone I play with has been talking about it - now my character will freeze completely like a time freeze when certain cc's stack.

I thought I would see it being more spoken about on forums tbh.

Bug is coming up more now because of all the DKs in the game.

Janni

BlakMarket wrote: »

The bug has got worse this patch, everyone I play with has been talking about it - now my character will freeze completely like a time freeze when certain cc's stack.

I thought I would see it being more spoken about on forums tbh.

I think it's not talked about much because for most of us it's been this way for years now. I don't even bother to breakfree anymore. As for slippery, even that is a gamble. I tried to slot it tonight and same thing. 5 second stun with no ability to recover.

Though one thing this patch that I've never seen before is the completely broken animations and even positions when getting stunned. It's like your character keeps moving and you press a button but nothing happens. Then you press another and another, finally you just start doing things like rolling and breakfrees and suddenly your character snaps back to another place and you break free. Ugh.

Baconlad

Since update I've been stunlocked on about 50% on stuns. Break free doesn't work reliably anymore....

Meaning I now use javelin as a spammable

AllyHeathen

Caribou77 wrote: »

There was an NB in battlegrounds last night whose stun would kill me every time because I couldn’t break free regardless of stamina. When he stunned me, I was totally unable to do anything but get wailed on for 5 seconds and die.

Note it was one player; did not have this problem breaking free of other stuns & cc’s.

Does anyone know how a player is able do it? I think it was Incap he was using. I don’t play NB, so I’m inteterested to know how this is done and if there is s way to defend against it.

Thanks in advance ☺️

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i have noticed this problem im not sure if its related to ping i defenitely think something got broke in a random update making cc break unreliable full bar of stam no cc break.

AllyHeathen

its a pretty serious issues for a while i thought maybe zos did a stealth nerf like they did with animation canceling

Caribou77

Update, was in a bg last night and this happened again, specifically with Incapacitating Strike. Something about the way this skill is animated or coded causes an extended stun, regardless of having a full stamina bar to break free.

So in addition to the long-standing and documented bugs with lingering flare and inner light, whereby nightblades can immediately return to cloak when exposed, which is not in accordance with the tool tips for each skill, now there is this to add.

I posted the above in Bug Reports six months ago, and others confirmed they also consistently experience it, but have not received any response from ZOS.

Perhaps I will have to post it again.

StarOfElyon

Caribou77 wrote: »

There was an NB in battlegrounds last night whose stun would kill me every time because I couldn’t break free regardless of stamina. When he stunned me, I was totally unable to do anything but get wailed on for 5 seconds and die.

Note it was one player; did not have this problem breaking free of other stuns & cc’s.

Does anyone know how a player is able do it? I think it was Incap he was using. I don’t play NB, so I’m inteterested to know how this is done and if there is s way to defend against it.

Thanks in advance ☺️

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This game has been so busted since the update. This is just one of the problems I'm having.

StarOfElyon

AllyHeathen wrote: »

its a pretty serious issues for a while i thought maybe zos did a stealth nerf like they did with animation canceling

So it's not just me who can't animation cancel anymore. That's good to know. I complain about it (even in game chat) but don't hear anyone else say anything about it, so I almost felt gaslighted into thinking it was just me and not the game.

Billium813

Iv been seeing this issue alot with the new Arcanist class and their immobilize skills. I get completely frozen for 3 seconds; can't break free, even with full stamina. Total [snip]

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HidesInPlainSight

Billium813 wrote: »

Iv been seeing this issue alot with the new Arcanist class and their immobilize skills. I get completely frozen for 3 seconds; can't break free, even with full stamina. Total [snip]

Its desync with arcanist skills. Day 1, you could tell the skills were causing desync and now that more players have leveled an Arcanist, its very prevalent. A lot of time you will get stunned, and 3 seconds later the animation that happens before the stun goes off, finally renders. Tide King is another skill, that you will take several tics of damage before the skill even renders.

There is so much desync, there is an animation cancel sequence, that allows you to do 30k+ dmg burst of non delayed skills in one GCD.

Get a bunch of Arcanist together, and the servers can not keep up. Dueling in Stomhaven tanks the areas performance with like four Arcanist fighting. Even IC is desynced more then normal. Used to be IC and bgs were the better performing pvp areas, but the performance with this patch is garbage.

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Rogue_WolfESO

Get rid of stuns and cc completely, it is ruining this game, despite the obvious fact this game was designed around stuns and cc.

xDeusEJRx

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

Get rid of stuns and cc completely, it is ruining this game, despite the obvious fact this game was designed around stuns and cc.

No.

Rogue_WolfESO

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

Get rid of stuns and cc completely, it is ruining this game, despite the obvious fact this game was designed around stuns and cc.

No.

Riveting argument. Wow. You changed my mind completely

xDeusEJRx

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

Get rid of stuns and cc completely, it is ruining this game, despite the obvious fact this game was designed around stuns and cc.

No.

Riveting argument. Wow. You changed my mind completely

I don't even need to give an opinion on clearly bad take. CC's and stuns don't rarely effect PVE outside of Boss mechanics for trials or dungeon bosses, and ccs and stuns literally makes pvp even possible. Without cc's and stuns you would spend 5 minutes chasing people while not being able to do anything, because a large amount of pvp players run in fights.


With that said half of the game is largely unaffected by it and the other half literally is only possible because of it. This takes literally 2 seconds to think about, I shouldn't need to state the obvious lmfao

So it stands to reason that opinion is extremely tone deaf

HidesInPlainSight

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

Get rid of stuns and cc completely, it is ruining this game, despite the obvious fact this game was designed around stuns and cc.

Wut?
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tincanman

Billium813 wrote: »

Iv been seeing this issue alot with the new Arcanist class and their immobilize skills. I get completely frozen for 3 seconds; can't break free, even with full stamina. Total [snip]

Seen this a fair bit; very frustrating.

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

Billium813 wrote: »

Iv been seeing this issue alot with the new Arcanist class and their immobilize skills. I get completely frozen for 3 seconds; can't break free, even with full stamina. Total BS.

Its desync with arcanist skills. Day 1, you could tell the skills were causing desync and now that more players have leveled an Arcanist, its very prevalent. A lot of time you will get stunned, and 3 seconds later the animation that happens before the stun goes off, finally renders. Tide King is another skill, that you will take several tics of damage before the skill even renders.

There is so much desync, there is an animation cancel sequence, that allows you to do 30k+ dmg burst of non delayed skills in one GCD.

Get a bunch of Arcanist together, and the servers can not keep up. Dueling in Stomhaven tanks the areas performance with like four Arcanist fighting. Even IC is desynced more then normal. Used to be IC and bgs were the better performing pvp areas, but the performance with this patch is garbage.

If this is the reason, it's very broken - quite frustrating to be pin-locked with no escape and watch helplessly as your character is pounded on.

I haven't noticed any equivalent issues with nb opponents.

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Idinuse

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

Get rid of stuns and cc completely, it is ruining this game, despite the obvious fact this game was designed around stuns and cc.

Wut?
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No joke. Stuns and CCs aren't even Esay Mode™ crutches, they're the freaking wheelchairs of this game. 0 skills in perma CC a player and then burn. Zero. Wow, you won against an opponent that can't do just about anything, let alone fight back...*slowclap*

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xDeusEJRx

Idinuse wrote: »

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

Get rid of stuns and cc completely, it is ruining this game, despite the obvious fact this game was designed around stuns and cc.

Wut?
[snip]

No joke. Stuns and CCs aren't even Esay Mode™ crutches, they're the freaking wheelchairs of this game. 0 skills in perma CC a player and then burn. Zero. Wow, you won against an opponent that can't do just about anything, let alone fight back...*slowclap*

I don't know if you know, but mobility also exists. If stuns are a crutch, so is mobility. Not getting stunned is countered by just moving away from the enemy lmao. They can't stun you if they can't reach you in the first place.

Stuns are literally counters to mobile players, without stunning, 90% of pvp players will just run away.

How do you expect to win a fight against a runner, a streak spamming sorc, a cloak spamming Nightblade if you can't stun any of them? None of them have the intentions to be caught, the only plausible way to counter mobility is to lock them down.

The same was said about Stamina players in 2017 when Major Evasion gave dodge chance instead of AOE mitigation, every non-stam user complained that you couldn't kill stam players because random dodge chance made stam players pretty impossible to kill because they'd avoid your damage. Mobility does the same thing, you can't kill someone who just constantly eludes you and your damage(because newsflash, they don't want to get hit) lmao.

This argument is extremely tonedeaf

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SandandStars

I was in a bg a few days ago getting chased around by a pair of Dks and one would fossilize me, I’d break free, then the other would immediately fossilize me again.

Is there no cool down on this?

Billium813

SandandStars wrote: »

I was in a bg a few days ago getting chased around by a pair of Dks and one would fossilize me, I’d break free, then the other would immediately fossilize me again.

Is there no cool down on this?

There should be a CC cooldown of 7 seconds. It could feel really quick, or even immediate, but it should be 7 seconds.

SandandStars

Yeah, with the stun and then the immobilize on Foss, and the time it takes to get out of both, it’s probably that it took 4-5 sec to get free, run two steps, & get hit again.

Normally use Deceptive Predator but it wasn’t working. At one point my char was face down with the wings animation going, but no immunity followed.