Chest Stealing

Fugus

I have been playing about a month now.

In that time I have had no less than 4 people run beside me while I am opening a chest hoping I fail the lock pick so they can try and steal it and one person run up on me while I am clearing out mobs to get to a chest and use the opportunity to run right past me while I am finishing them off to steal it.

I can understand that mindset if this we a WoW PVP server and we were on opposite sides at which point it would have an RP perspective to it but you would more likely just kill me and take it or something.

First time I actually called someone out in zone chat for their [snip] behavior only to have one or two people chime in about how "It isn't against the rules" like it's just fine.

Why do so many people on here just seem to have no manners or consideration for others when it comes to stuff like that? If I see you clearing out a group to get to a resource it's yours, if I see you opening a chest, even if you fail, its yours. Is the greed just that big of a thing on here?

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Brrrofski

I mean, it isn't against the rules, but it's still not a cool thing to do.

I've encountered it a handful of times, but not super often.

Is this in the last couple of days that this has happened? There's double resources from nodes and chest I believe, so maybe that's why?

Sarannah

Some people are rude like that, just ignore them and move along. It is not worth the time. The only time it really pisses me off, is when I am running towards a resource/chest, and they run directly through me to take it first. In that case they 100% know they are taking something someone else was going for, and there is no excuse.

Personally I always walk away when I see someone go towards a resource or chest(it's actually funny if we both walk away at the same time). It does sometimes happen that me and another player both run around a corner at the same time without seeing eachother, in that case I always feel bad when I take it. And I would never wait at a chest for someone to fail(most players don't), though sometimes it may look like that as I didn't see that player near it and simply approached the chest. But once I see them, I walk away, doesn't matter if they fail or not.

This is also an indirect cause of add-ons, some players have an optimized farming route and will feel any resource/chest on that route is theirs. Even if you were going to that resource/chest first, or if you are fighting the mob near it.

Just don't let it bother you, things like this happen sometimes. But luckily enough, they hardly ever happen.

PS: Keep in mind, sometimes it is an accident. As lag can sometimes show players in different places, due to a few seconds delay.
PPS: If I see someone is a CP 160-500, I always point chests out to them, so they can take it. As they might still be gearing. (below CP 160 I take the chest unless they are already going for it ofcourse, because it is pointless to spawn the gear at such a low level)

Fugus

Brrrofski wrote: »

I mean, it isn't against the rules, but it's still not a cool thing to do.

I've encountered it a handful of times, but not super often.

Is this in the last couple of days that this has happened? There's double resources from nodes and chest I believe, so maybe that's why?

Over the past 3 weeks roughly.

Will be completely free and clear at a chest and loot it, then when the camera pans out there is a person already crouched right there beside me hoping for me to fail so they can jump in on it. Minimum 4 times.

The person who watched me killing mobs to get to a chest to just go take it for himself instead since he didn't have to fight, that was today, first time that happened.

While it's annoying for the people who want to loot a chest and leave the stuff they don't want, to flat out watch someone going for a resource and to try and ninja it from them, that is just poor form.

Edit: And the fact a few in zone chat actually supported it showed its a somewhat common thing as far as they are concerned and nothing wrong with it.

Anifaas

Whenever that happens to me I just follow them around and take a couple of "their" nodes/chests. Those people end up avoiding me.

phaneub17_ESO

I see chest, I see mobs, I order companion/pet to attack mob, I go for chest while they're occupied.

Fugus

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I see chest, I see mobs, I order companion/pet to attack mob, I go for chest while they're occupied.

Will have to remember that one.

Beilin_Balreis_Colcan

I've seen more of it this weekend, especially in Craglorn, where a lot of us (myself included) are farming nirncrux, since its drop rate is slightly less abysmal.

Fugus

vsrs_au wrote: »

I've seen more of it this weekend, especially in Craglorn, where a lot of us (myself included) are farming nirncrux, since its drop rate is slightly less abysmal.

Where I was when it happened. Didn't have nameplates on to see the name of the person but was a female player and when I called the act out in zone chat the main one defending it was named "LowBay" might have been them but either way their stance was Role Playing that name to perfection.

They almost acted like they took it personal calling the act out.

Darkstorne

It's frustrating when other shared world games like Guild Wars 2 have solved the problem years ago. You make the resources shared (same way multiple people can loot a boss in MMOs these days, negating the need/greed system).

Mesite

It's a role playing thing. If you are an assassin in the dark brotherhood, have maxed out legerdemain and thieves guild skill lines and been infected by a vampire, it would seem wrong to be nice.

Everyone thinks role players just sit in the Friendly Arm Inn chatting about drinking ale, but they can be a real danger to people's pockets.

Fugus

Mesite wrote: »

It's a role playing thing. If you are an assassin in the dark brotherhood, have maxed out legerdemain and thieves guild skill lines and been infected by a vampire, it would seem wrong to be nice.

Everyone thinks role players just sit in the Friendly Arm Inn chatting about drinking ale, but they can be a real danger to people's pockets.

I could see that if there was an actual way to give them repercussions for it. But being able to role play from a position of impunity does not really go well. If it were a legit role play, the others would be able to respond.

Edit: I am off so won't be able to respond for a while. Have a good one you guys. Just glad to see that this mindset isn't as much of the normal of the game like they seemed to be want to treat it.

AnduinTryggva

Fugus wrote: »

I have been playing about a month now.

In that time I have had no less than 4 people run beside me while I am opening a chest hoping I fail the lock pick so they can try and steal it and one person run up on me while I am clearing out mobs to get to a chest and use the opportunity to run right past me while I am finishing them off to steal it.

I can understand that mindset if this we a WoW PVP server and we were on opposite sides at which point it would have an RP perspective to it but you would more likely just kill me and take it or something.

First time I actually called someone out in zone chat for their [snip] behavior only to have one or two people chime in about how "It isn't against the rules" like it's just fine.

Why do so many people on here just seem to have no manners or consideration for others when it comes to stuff like that? If I see you clearing out a group to get to a resource it's yours, if I see you opening a chest, even if you fail, its yours. Is the greed just that big of a thing on here?

I also dislike this behavior particularly with chests. You also see this in beginner zones where high level players do that to ressources and chests. Worst is when people then do not fully empty the bin and leave set items in it.

I have though to admit that this happened to me to do this on two or three occasions when I am just blind not to see a guy fighting or striving to a chest from a different direction.

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Northwold

I see this regularly. Some people are selfish and have no manners, basically. Last night's highlight in the same vein was the same person squatting one room without leaving in a public dungeon for two hours, destroying everything the moment it respawned, making it literally impossible for anyone else to complete the dungeon.

I do think one of the more frustrating aspects of the game is how resources aren't instanced per player and how players can ruin your experience by, eg, hogging dungeons in a way that looks like they're doing homework. I don't know if it's possible to fix the resources point. But it's presumably impossible to fix how people behave with enemies because individually instanced enemies would prevent group play.

PS Actually, making it a breach of the rules for players to be unbelievably inconsiderate and selfish would make my day. Good luck to whoever has to enforce it though. :-D

Kisakee

Mesite wrote: »

It's a role playing thing. If you are an assassin in the dark brotherhood, have maxed out legerdemain and thieves guild skill lines and been infected by a vampire, it would seem wrong to be nice.

Even my Nightblade Vampire Khajiit being the master of the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood with well over 60 millions in bounty isn't such a dorkhead.

Supreme_Atromancer

Yeah. Its two very different types of people. To some people, everything in an MMO is a competition, and you have to be the very best. Others, not so much.

I remember way back in 2014 seeing some farming guide by Deltia up-talking the best gear so that you can beat all the chumps to every node lol.

I also remember the oooooold video by Angry Joe, who was largely speaking to the Elder Scrolls fanbase, remarking how its just frustrating that ZOS have set it up so people can just come and snipe chests/rss, etc, it just puts people in a bad mood from the get-go, and I tend to agree.

I, personally, am in the latter camp. I don't need everything to be some competition, and I don't get a good feeling out of sniping something someone was clearly at. Because I know it feels bad. Just makes everything feel that tiny bit more hostile.

But its not against the rules, no. People can pretty much do what they want. Sometimes you're gonna encounter that big-time chest-sniping hero. But they're few and far between. Let them have their little win/rubedite sabatons, don't think on it more. And thank you for not being that guy/gal yourself.

Clyde_BlueSnake

Those people are jerks, same goes to those comes & uses the Blade of woe on the person you are already behind first pickpocketing & plan assassinating. smh

Kisakee

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

Sometimes you're gonna encounter that big-time chest-sniping hero. But they're few and far between. Let them have their little win/rubedite sabatons, don't think on it more. And thank you for not being that guy/gal yourself.

If the nice guys always cut back world will be ruled by egoists. Just think about it.

Even if it's against what i tend to do i also follow those egoists around and steal some of the things they're going for. Maybe it teaches them something, maybe not. Like a wise Argonian once said: "Sometimes the right thing and the wrong thing are the same".

totzummrdave_ESO

It isn't your chest. It is a harvestable node in an MMO, available to everyone. I've had it happen to me hundreds of times. In a few minutes it will respawn to be harvested again. I know this sounds cold, but it's reality.

Grizzbeorn

Unfortunately, it happens, and it will continue to happen for as long as you play the game.
Yes, it can be frustrating, but it happens to everyone; it's not one of those things that you should allow to ruin your day.
Just accept that it's going to happen occasionally (almost daily if you play often enough), shrug it off, and go about your play.

At the end of the day, it IS just a video game.

MajThorax

Chest stealing is not polite behaviour but it's what zos wanted. Otherwise, when we break a lockpick we would immediately be able to use another one, without exiting the mini game screen.

LalMirchi

I see it this way: If you're running frantically to get to the resources before me you are very welcome to loot them first as your need is obviously greater than mine.

The resources do respawn regularly so there's no reason for me to rush around.

Hoghorn

i agree that this is rude behavior and i don't do it myself but when others do it to me i remember the old saying "it's not yours until it's in your bag"

Haenk

I find it really annoying and usually back out when arriving at the same time.
However there is no point in getting angry, it's just the way ESO is designed, and some people are just ****.
Try to avoid those people and move elsewhere - there are chests and nodes everywhere.

Northwold

Haenk wrote: »

I find it really annoying and usually back out when arriving at the same time.
However there is no point in getting angry, it's just the way ESO is designed, and some people are just ****.
Try to avoid those people and move elsewhere - there are chests and nodes everywhere.

It can actually be extremely frustrating because there are certain resources that only reliably drop from chests in specific areas (I'm not going to say what and where because I don't want to make the situation there worse).

And some people are adult enough and have enough courtesy, when others are chest farming at the same time, to space themselves out so it doesn't ruin it for everyone else. Meanwhile you have "less grown up people" for whom it's "me me me" who will take the chests from under you, including waiting for you to get stuck clearing enemies guarding a chest to sneak in.

It just makes the game unpleasant -- we play games for escape and entertainment, not to be reminded that there are people in the world who are completely toxic and act like they're still at school (to be fair, half of them probably are).

Michaelkeir

My advice. Don’t let it bother you. You can’t control people or expect everyone to be as nice as you are. They technically aren’t breaking any rules so you really can’t fault them. Some people do it just to get a raise out of you, and some just generally don’t give a rats bottom about what you think, they are just farming. So just grow thick skin and love on. Only time I steal chest or nods in general is when I see bots. Then I go out if my way to do so. Wish I could un-alive those bots but we don’t have open world pvp.

Sarannah

MajThorax wrote: »

Chest stealing is not polite behaviour but it's what zos wanted. Otherwise, when we break a lockpick we would immediately be able to use another one, without exiting the mini game screen.

Actually, breaking a lockpick does NOT exit the lockpicking screen. It takes a few seconds to grab another lockpick though. I always pick locks manually, and only lose one lockpick about every week or so. But it never exits the lockpickscreen when I do break one.

mocap

Fugus wrote: »

I have been playing about a month now

After a while you will look at this kind of situation as something funny.

Later you will stop opening simple chests (they are 99% trash anyway). Even later you are likely to start skipping all chests except for some locations and dungeons.

upd: oh, and if you need to fast level Legerdemain, just google something like "eso craglorn apples". You will see what that means.

Kisakee

Sarannah wrote: »

MajThorax wrote: »

Chest stealing is not polite behaviour but it's what zos wanted. Otherwise, when we break a lockpick we would immediately be able to use another one, without exiting the mini game screen.

Actually, breaking a lockpick does NOT exit the lockpicking screen. It takes a few seconds to grab another lockpick though. I always pick locks manually, and only lose one lockpick about every week or so. But it never exits the lockpickscreen when I do break one.

We're talking about force opening, not the slow regular picking.

Lumenn

OP everyone's pretty much covered it. We're online, with all the bells and whistles that come with it. Just chalk it up in the same category as internet trolls and tea baggers. Some people have class, others.../shrug.

Tenthirty2

It's ppl being selfish jerks more often than not. Bcuz you just KNOW that one chest could have the ENDGAME ITEM THAT LETS YOU CONQUER NIRN!

I've had chest stealers, node stealers. Had a couple ppl camping the chest while I was picking it.
Best one I've had is where another player pulls a nearby mob with an AoE effect over to where I'm lockpicking to try and knock me off the chest.
Especially love the ones that can see you jogging toward a node, they run past and grab it just as you get there.

I'm usually not in that big a hurry, so when ppl act like jerks and I'm in the right mood I'll follow them along sharing the contents of my bottomless mud ball pouch until they leave the area

The bright side I can say is that all of the above has been quite rare, like in the last couple years I've experienced any of those only a few times.
Usually it's worse during events where node\chest drops are doubled\boosted.
But again, it's not common for me at least.