Mara nerf not enough

Afterip

Right now Mara do stronger class such as DK or NB MUCH powerfull in pvp . So if ZOS nerf Mara again it will nerf DK and NB a little bit...

TechMaybeHic

Afterip wrote: »

Right now Mara do stronger class such as DK or NB MUCH powerfull in pvp . So if ZOS nerf Mara again it will nerf DK and NB a little bit...

I'm told sorcs really like it for the burst heal

FeedbackOnly

Missing stendarr set from list

Nerhesi

We need to see a change to poison/hemorrhage/burning. In many optimal builds, you're basically applying 2 if not 3 of those for free while you are placing actual other skill-dots on someone. You're applying 4-6 dots in 2-3 GCDs.

Dots should be viable choice - not free bonus dps if you happen to be a DK and/or using charged weapon or overloaded skills. Incentivize dot play but at some cost...

Red99

I still don't understand why they don't have significantly nerfed mara's after all this time, everyone admits that this set is overpowered

Afterip

Red99 wrote: »

I still don't understand why they don't have significantly nerfed mara's after all this time, everyone admits that this set is overpowered

Because ZOS's team childrens play ESO as DK or NB and use Mara in pvp, and they like them. So why would good parent make his child cry?

i11ionward

Hallelujah

Syiccal

And it's a dead set

Cadbury

i11ionward wrote: »

xDeusEJRx

i11ionward wrote: »

Hallelujah

As much as I'm happy about maras nerf. I just know this set will be replaced eventually with an even more oppressive set. This game always has a cycle of new OP procs coming and taking the place of other procs. We love cheese in this game after all

React

Extremely warranted nerf, and probably still not enough to get the majority of people using it now to stop slotting it.

Wish they'd stop introducing sets like this to begin with. They serve no purpose other than damaging the PVP experience overall.

Cadbury

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

i11ionward wrote: »

Hallelujah

As much as I'm happy about maras nerf. I just know this set will be replaced eventually with an even more oppressive set. This game always has a cycle of new OP procs coming and taking the place of other procs. We love cheese in this game after all

You shouldn't be surprised by this. That's the circle of life here.

Vaqual

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

i11ionward wrote: »

Hallelujah

As much as I'm happy about maras nerf. I just know this set will be replaced eventually with an even more oppressive set. This game always has a cycle of new OP procs coming and taking the place of other procs. We love cheese in this game after all

Probably, but tonight we shall celebrate and rest easy, knowing that it is finally over.

(it is still the best set for removing negative effects, but at least you can have your dots tick for the full duration twice per minute)

TechMaybeHic

Now if they fix Backlash to actually do damage under battle spirit, it will be worth slotting again.

Tommy_The_Gun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONnE4VIzum8

On one hand I am glad that they nerfed OP set. On the other hand I am sad that they introduced a balance problem they had to resolve later. And... well... there are plenty of "unbalanced" sets left. Is it wise to make a "MacGuffin" so that every one will try to get and then nerf it ? It has become very predicable - to the point that I have not grinded Mara or spend gold to get it from guild traders.

Looking at the upcoming sets, I know for sure that many of them are bound to get nerfed. That new mythic with 50% dmg reduction ? I am not evne gonna bother grinding it tbh. I am not even sure if that potion cooldown set won't get nerfed because with it you can stack pretty ridiculous potion cool-downs with it.

VixxVexx

It's finally over boys, we get to play the game again

Cast_El

Syiccal wrote: »

And it's a dead set

We'll see. I doubt it

Red99

We made it guys finally, it was the most broken defensive set ever

TechMaybeHic

I...I don't know if I remember how to play without it...

I'm scared

i11ionward

Syiccal wrote: »

And it's a dead set

No pity.
And I don’t think that people will stop wearing maras, but they will remember that there are other protective sets.

React

I mean, even at a 30s CD this is very likely still the strongest defensive set in the game and will still be extremely frustrating to fight against. At least now you have a reasonable window to pressure your target in between maras procs, though.

Melzo

A lot of strong players didn't wear this set. This set was very strong due to the healing it provided, but if the battle spirit was reduced back from 50 to 44, then defensive sets that gave armor and percentage damage reduction would give a better result. This is the damage dot meta. That is why many complain about the same magician sorcerer. A banal example of the fact that mara is not as strong as you think. This is a battle against nb. Nb do not use dot damage and they do not apply negative effects and your set is useless against them. A set that gives armor or critical resistance is much more effective than mara. Mara is strong? Dk strong?? The answer is simple. Damage because there is no one. I used to kill players in 3 seconds as a necromancer. Without using Dc. And mara did not help such players. In the battle against players using a set of fire and dueling with a dragonstar, it also does not help much. These sets deal more than mara restore. You raised the set to the sky and now the next set will go to the trash as they did not do it right with Ironblood. Now this set is not needed in pvp or pve. Ruined a wonderful set.

Now Mara lies next to the garbage dump. It remains only to finish off with your reviews and he will finally disappear from the game. During the entire time of the game, how many kits were returned to service? How many sets were destroyed irretrievably. Do you want to relax? Go pee.

ujimax

The irony is that this set was such a cool idea to level the playing field for people who didnt have a purge buddy (with plaguebreak being the counter for raids spamming purge every second) and instead (sadly i never got to use maras) ended up making the "gid gud small scalers on CE" immortal.

jhall03

I would have been happy with 20 seconds but 30? Yes and thank you, finally

Panderbander

React wrote: »

I mean, even at a 30s CD this is very likely still the strongest defensive set in the game and will still be extremely frustrating to fight against. At least now you have a reasonable window to pressure your target in between maras procs, though.

It really was a matter of watching for all your debuffs to disappear so you knew when you could push again, wasn't it?

i11ionward

It's a fair nerf in my opinion. You will have to think before adding a set to your build, this is a non-default option now. The set still looks great on the backbar, you can get strong burst heals and clear on demand.

StarOfElyon

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

i11ionward wrote: »

Hallelujah

As much as I'm happy about maras nerf. I just know this set will be replaced eventually with an even more oppressive set. This game always has a cycle of new OP procs coming and taking the place of other procs. We love cheese in this game after all

React wrote: »

Extremely warranted nerf, and probably still not enough to get the majority of people using it now to stop slotting it.

Wish they'd stop introducing sets like this to begin with. They serve no purpose other than damaging the PVP experience overall.

The evil has only been stayed for a little while. We must stay vigilant.

StarOfElyon

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONnE4VIzum8

On one hand I am glad that they nerfed OP set. On the other hand I am sad that they introduced a balance problem they had to resolve later. And... well... there are plenty of "unbalanced" sets left. Is it wise to make a "MacGuffin" so that every one will try to get and then nerf it ? It has become very predicable - to the point that I have not grinded Mara or spend gold to get it from guild traders.

Looking at the upcoming sets, I know for sure that many of them are bound to get nerfed. That new mythic with 50% dmg reduction ? I am not evne gonna bother grinding it tbh. I am not even sure if that potion cooldown set won't get nerfed because with it you can stack pretty ridiculous potion cool-downs with it.

Let me put this into perspective: as bad as Mara's balm is, Nocturnal's Ploy was originally so busted and scary that it got the majority of the focus and pleas for nerfs that Maras was able to slip through relatively unaccosted. It's sad because this kind of stuff is what made ESO lose many of my favorite ESO streamers. I don't know if they will ever come back and that makes me sad... But not as sad as I could be because I am also hanging on by a thread. If not for the new class, I would not have any interest in continuing to play the game.

Zeraw86

Bye Bye Maras Balm, and Welcome Back Rallying Cry.

TechMaybeHic

I dunno. Still get effectively a HoT boost, base healing modifier, crit resist, armor, and still a full purge and maybe even a bigger 2nd burst heal due to waiting 30 seconds to accumulate negative effects.

I not sure it's dead, or even less than ideal on any class that doesn't have a reasonable cost purge. Probably just needed to remove an effect or limit the amount of things purged