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Suggestion: never make a character lie to complete a quest
Petoften
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I just got a new account, and made the first char, and the very first starter quest in Khenarthi Roost can only progress if the character lies. I won't get to do the entire zone quest line.
Edited by ZOS_Icy on June 23, 2024 6:04PM 1
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Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Do you mean when Razum-dar tells you not to tell anyone else the truth about how you got to the island?
If I remember correctly you always have the option to not say anything about it and they'll all assume you were part of the Dominion fleet which got shipwrecked. I suppose it's technically lying by omission, but the way it's written it's always like it just doesn't come up because there's more urgent things to talk about.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If he's referring to the initial encounter then the OP's claim is simply untrue. I just took a fresh character to Razum Dar and tested it. Twice I kept to the truth in the opening dialogue and Razum Dar simply advised me to fit in with the locals, while progressing the quest.7 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, that's another example like the Razum Dar one, in that with both you have the option to tell the truth or lie, and in each case both options progress the exchange satisfactorily so there's no requirement to lie. This one would have been made more interesting if you had a third option to say "Actually I was planning on using the room to store my Daedric memorabilia, is that a problem?"4 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There should always be a counter option for sure, but lying is fine if that is the type of character I want to play.
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ArchangelIsraphel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If you're playing a noble character, then perhaps you can think of it this way- maybe their motivation to serve the greater good requires this small deception as an exception to the rule so that they can help others. Is it better to tell a small white lie that allows you to help others, or to turn your back on a situation you could have remedied if only you'd been willing to disguise yourself with your words if only for a moment? Lying in this instance does not necessarily denote malicious intent on the part of the character.
While I fully agree that there should be more options for those who like to stick strictly to a certain type of path, there is a lot of politics and complexity in this game that is going to be difficult to navigate unless you allow yourself to be flexible with how you think about your characters motivations and why they are doing something. Ultimately you get to determine why a character chose to do something and what their motivations for doing it were, not a line of text.Legends never die
They're written down in eternity
But you'll never see the price it costs
The scars collected all their lives
When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, that's another example like the Razum Dar one, in that with both you have the option to tell the truth or lie, and in each case both options progress the exchange satisfactorily so there's no requirement to lie. This one would have been made more interesting if you had a third option to say "Actually I was planning on using the room to store my Daedric memorabilia, is that a problem?"
You have the option to pick an option that does not have "[Lie]" in front if it. That is not the same as the option to tell the truth or lie. It could be that both of those options are lies, in which case there is no provision for actually telling the truth.1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, that's another example like the Razum Dar one, in that with both you have the option to tell the truth or lie, and in each case both options progress the exchange satisfactorily so there's no requirement to lie. This one would have been made more interesting if you had a third option to say "Actually I was planning on using the room to store my Daedric memorabilia, is that a problem?"
You have the option to pick an option that does not have "[Lie]" in front if it. That is not the same as the option to tell the truth or lie. It could be that both of those options are lies, in which case there is no provision for actually telling the truth.
Given that the comment is the same in each case, I take it as meaning that you are lying if you pick the one marked "Lie" and telling the truth if you pick the one that isn't marked "Lie". No other interpretation makes sense in my view.10 -
Dr_Con✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AD are characteristically liars anyways. Come join the Ebonheart pact where our own worst enemy is ourselves.14 -
peacenote✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭just to place it here
Yes, that's another example like the Razum Dar one, in that with both you have the option to tell the truth or lie, and in each case both options progress the exchange satisfactorily so there's no requirement to lie. This one would have been made more interesting if you had a third option to say "Actually I was planning on using the room to store my Daedric memorabilia, is that a problem?"
You have the option to pick an option that does not have "[Lie]" in front if it. That is not the same as the option to tell the truth or lie. It could be that both of those options are lies, in which case there is no provision for actually telling the truth.
Given that the comment is the same in each case, I take it as meaning that you are lying if you pick the one marked "Lie" and telling the truth if you pick the one that isn't marked "Lie". No other interpretation makes sense in my view.
I think what's desired here would be an "of course!" or "I don't put shrines in my home, don't worry" or some other response if, in your head, your character worships a deadra but doesn't want to lie about it.
Personally I just saw the quest as a cute play on words and I don't get that deep into role playing for this game but I also have no issue with other quest options being added for people who care about this.3 -
Carcamongus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In Star Wars: A New Hope, Obi-Wan Kenobi uses the Force to trick a stormtrooper into believing those aren't the droids they're looking for, which is a lie. Had he chosen to inflexibly stick to the truth, the Imperials would've captured the former general and his pupil, and recovered the Death Star plans. Sometimes a person has to lie to proceed with the quest.
Back to ESO, the choice of lying isn't very common, but as far as I can remember there's usually a truthful option as well. Not that lying has much of an effect anyway...Imperial DK and Necro tank. PC/NA
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SammyKhajit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The Veiled Inheritance related quests in Auridon required you to lie a few times.
This one simply thinks of it as truth deferred for the greater good 😺Edited by SammyKhajit on November 25, 2022 8:13PM4 -
Petoften✭✭✭If he's referring to the initial encounter then the OP's claim is simply untrue. I just took a fresh character to Razum Dar and tested it. Twice I kept to the truth in the opening dialogue and Razum Dar simply advised me to fit in with the locals, while progressing the quest.
Wrong. It's the initial interaction and the only options are 'lie' and 'goodbye' which doesn't progress the quest.0 -
Petoften✭✭✭You have the option to pick an option that does not have "[Lie]" in front if it. That is not the same as the option to tell the truth or lie. It could be that both of those options are lies, in which case there is no provision for actually telling the truth.
There was no option without 'lie' in front except 'goodbye', which does not advance the quest.0 -
Petoften✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »There should always be a counter option for sure, but lying is fine if that is the type of character I want to play.
I didn't say not to offer an option of lying.
Just not to require lying as the only option. That means quests not getting done.Edited by Petoften on November 25, 2022 11:23PM1 -
Petoften✭✭✭just to place it here
Yes, that's another example like the Razum Dar one, in that with both you have the option to tell the truth or lie, and in each case both options progress the exchange satisfactorily so there's no requirement to lie. This one would have been made more interesting if you had a third option to say "Actually I was planning on using the room to store my Daedric memorabilia, is that a problem?"
No, it's not. "Lie" and "Goodbye" has no option to tell the truth.
In both cases.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, that's another example like the Razum Dar one, in that with both you have the option to tell the truth or lie, and in each case both options progress the exchange satisfactorily so there's no requirement to lie. This one would have been made more interesting if you had a third option to say "Actually I was planning on using the room to store my Daedric memorabilia, is that a problem?"
No, it's not. "Lie" and "Goodbye" has no option to tell the truth.
In both cases.
Sorry but that simply isn't the case.
I don't have a screenshot of the Razum Dar interaction but I completed it without lying or having to abandon the quest. There was an option in which I said (and repeated) that I came from Coldharbour. While it didn't have a prefix "Truth", that was clearly the true option and it progresses the quest.
In the other case there is a screenshot in this thread. It clearly shows two options, each with the same wording. One has "Lie" in front of it, the other immediately above it does not but is clearly true if saying those words would not be a lie as per the alternative option.
For clarification, I am playing on PC without addons. That is how these quests have appeared for me and in each case the interaction has progressed without the need to lie. I've been playing since launch with around 70 characters in that time, with these two interactions completed satisfactorily multiple times regardless of which option I went for according to the character involved.6 -
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Same. My orc likely stared at her all 🤨 You're not stopping me from setting up a small shrine to Malacath to pray at, Lady.just to place it here
Yes, that's another example like the Razum Dar one, in that with both you have the option to tell the truth or lie, and in each case both options progress the exchange satisfactorily so there's no requirement to lie. This one would have been made more interesting if you had a third option to say "Actually I was planning on using the room to store my Daedric memorabilia, is that a problem?"[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!1 -
tohopka_eso✭✭✭✭he tells you to lie with confidence like a agent of the queen should to get what is needed to be done. that is all.2 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm reminded of an old thread on the Skyrim forums, where someone took the position that the game didn't let you play a 'good' character, because you had to kill people. (like, say, hostile bandits)Edited by Kiralyn2000 on November 26, 2022 12:59AM5 -
PrinceShroob✭✭✭✭✭It appears that if you go to Khenarthi's Roost immediately out of the tutorial, you will only have access to the [Lie] option, since the other dialogues where you do not lie require either completing "Soul Shriven in Coldharbour" or "God of Schemes" first.
However, you can travel to Vulkhel Guard in Auridon and speak to the Hooded Figure; that will let you start and complete "Soul Shriven in Coldharbour." Then you won't have to lie to complete the quest.14 -
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✭✭✭✭AD are characteristically liars anyways. Come join the Ebonheart pact where our own worst enemy is ourselves.
I am amused you make that assertion about AD when EP has the Tribunal among its faction leaders.
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Petoften✭✭✭PrinceShroob wrote: »It appears that if you go to Khenarthi's Roost immediately out of the tutorial, you will only have access to the [Lie] option, since the other dialogues where you do not lie require either completing "Soul Shriven in Coldharbour" or "God of Schemes" first.
However, you can travel to Vulkhel Guard in Auridon and speak to the Hooded Figure; that will let you start and complete "Soul Shriven in Coldharbour." Then you won't have to lie to complete the quest.
Thank you. That both explains our disagreement on the facts and is helpful info.2 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PrinceShroob wrote: »It appears that if you go to Khenarthi's Roost immediately out of the tutorial, you will only have access to the [Lie] option, since the other dialogues where you do not lie require either completing "Soul Shriven in Coldharbour" or "God of Schemes" first.
However, you can travel to Vulkhel Guard in Auridon and speak to the Hooded Figure; that will let you start and complete "Soul Shriven in Coldharbour." Then you won't have to lie to complete the quest.
Thank you. That both explains our disagreement on the facts and is helpful info.
Indeed, thanks @PrinceShroob. There were clearly 2 sides to this particular discussion and your clarification shows that we were both right
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I hope you can now see the Hooded Figure for the Coldharbour quest and then be able to pursue the Khenarthi's Roost questline in your preferred way, @Petoften .1 -
Kng_Ayumayuma✭✭✭I just got a new account, and made the first char, and the very first starter quest in Khenarthi Roost can only progress if the character lies. I won't get to do the entire zone quest line.
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Think of it this way. You are a nice looking girl. You work for a *** restaurant. You get paid mostly in cash. It's tax time... Raz is looking better and better. Isn't he?
Or go watch the TV show, House... "Everybody lies," says House.
This game is preparing you to successfully navigate life.
Edited by Kng_Ayumayuma on November 26, 2022 8:50PM1
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