Oh awesome, as Tra_ above explains how you can use the shade ability to bypass the mechanic, which is exactly what you describe having trouble with. I suppose you could also teleport strike to either maebroogah, an add, or a golem but that's not a guarantee every time and could result in more deaths.
A bit about the encounter-
- Tab targeting is always an option to lock onto the shade but I realize it can get difficult with the golems at the end bodyblocking. I think someone said your minimum single-target dps has to be around 9-10k in this phase on a shade to get through on vet.
- all of the Maebroogah's summons in that circle have the same HP to my knowledge.
- She asks for help from the big guys every 20%, but the insta death circle of mobs are on a timed interval. If you are fast enough, you can also kill all the golems in the beginning by triggering them with damage- that way killing them is more on your terms than hers (or you could just have a couple up when you push her to the next phase- they disappear, though this is more risky).
- Remember that the adds that are not the giant golem (mage, archer, voriplasm) will follow you to the shade realm and do not despawn, you should kill these before pushing Maebroogah to 5-10%
- This being said, when you are in the void "shadow realm" and have to kill the add, just know that every 20% she regenerates, she creates a golem- this is a good time to burn the add and get back to the boss, BUT if you want to take it slow and regenerate ult to fight the boss remember that it will be as difficult as starting her at 100%
- In addition to the above, a lot of the caster/archer mobs in the game decide to move if you get too close to them. this can be an issue if you put down a ground ultimate/AOE, so make sure you cast ground AOEs after the caster decides to move if you are next to them so you don't waste resources (The archer also has a useless ground teleport ability, nothing really to note there).
- Archers HURT, make sure you aren't ignoring them.
- When I was first getting through this encounter someone told me that there's about a 1/20 chance to dodge roll through the line, so that's not a viable option.
- On her final phase you have to deal with the fire mage from the 3rd void bubble and a phantom minotaur as well as the adds and golem. Don't let yourself get overwhelmed and remember to interrupt the channel of the fire mage!
Billium813 wrote: »My biggest issue with the tethered shades is that Stampede will get you killed. Not because they are moving forward, like you would expect! The issue is that Stampede places you too far behind the shade and the kill line from the tether is in FRONT of the shades. Gets me every time, even when the shades aren't moving yet, it's worse when approaching from an angle.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Billium813 wrote: »My biggest issue with the tethered shades is that Stampede will get you killed. Not because they are moving forward, like you would expect! The issue is that Stampede places you too far behind the shade and the kill line from the tether is in FRONT of the shades. Gets me every time, even when the shades aren't moving yet, it's worse when approaching from an angle.
Yeah, stampede is one of my least favorite skills in ESO. Do'nt get me wrong, it works as a gap closer (when gap closers work) but for some reason ZOS thinks that back bar 2H is a great meta. It is also extremely clunky to weave, bar swap with.
Too many people run 2H back bar in situations where Destro or Bow are far better options. With either, its easy to lay a ground DOT that the shade will have to walk all the way through from a safe range. I only run 2H backbar on target dummies and a handful of boss fights that I know very well. It is a good way to get yourself wrecked. LOL
Billium813 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Billium813 wrote: »My biggest issue with the tethered shades is that Stampede will get you killed. Not because they are moving forward, like you would expect! The issue is that Stampede places you too far behind the shade and the kill line from the tether is in FRONT of the shades. Gets me every time, even when the shades aren't moving yet, it's worse when approaching from an angle.
Yeah, stampede is one of my least favorite skills in ESO. Do'nt get me wrong, it works as a gap closer (when gap closers work) but for some reason ZOS thinks that back bar 2H is a great meta. It is also extremely clunky to weave, bar swap with.
Too many people run 2H back bar in situations where Destro or Bow are far better options. With either, its easy to lay a ground DOT that the shade will have to walk all the way through from a safe range. I only run 2H backbar on target dummies and a handful of boss fights that I know very well. It is a good way to get yourself wrecked. LOL
I mostly front bar 2H and backbar bow. I actually enjoy weaving 2H and can often see a slight animation to let me know. I think it's just preference and comfortability. Just in general, Stampede does get me killed more than I like xD. The number of times I've yeeted myself into death is more than I care to admit, but TBF I can't blame the skill for that, it's just my dumb fingers and awareness!
The shade tethers on Vateshran tho... I think they are just misplaced and bugged in that regard. Even the ghost walls on dungeons like Fang Lair and Depths of Malatar don't get me killed when I Stampede them. But Vateshran Shade tether almost always kills me, even when not moving. And it's almost 100% death if approaching from an angle rather than headon.
Everything else is easy except for void tether with the shades closing in on you. I have the dps but all the other bs gets in the way or it’s blocking me from stepping back and then I die. Is there a particular shade I should start with or what?
Everything else is easy except for void tether with the shades closing in on you. I have the dps but all the other bs gets in the way or it’s blocking me from stepping back and then I die. Is there a particular shade I should start with or what?
I just beat vateshran for the first time using that shade skill. It was an absolute godsend, easy mode. However, I got a blue vateshran inferno staff? I thought that even on normal mode you get a gold weapon because that’s what I see in the guides
Parasaurolophus wrote: »I don't want to brag, but I really don't understand why this mechanic is causing problems for so many players...
moleculardrugs wrote: »Everything else is easy except for void tether with the shades closing in on you. I have the dps but all the other bs gets in the way or it’s blocking me from stepping back and then I die. Is there a particular shade I should start with or what?
Just did vVH last night on my templar 😭
What helped me without having to use tab target is applying lots of AoE DoTs in the vicinity of the tether-zombie-walker. The AoEs damage the other trash too
Parasaurolophus wrote: »I don't want to brag, but I really don't understand why this mechanic is causing problems for so many players...
I just beat vateshran for the first time using that shade skill. It was an absolute godsend, easy mode. However, I got a blue vateshran inferno staff? I thought that even on normal mode you get a gold weapon because that’s what I see in the guides
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »moleculardrugs wrote: »Everything else is easy except for void tether with the shades closing in on you. I have the dps but all the other bs gets in the way or it’s blocking me from stepping back and then I die. Is there a particular shade I should start with or what?
Just did vVH last night on my templar 😭
What helped me without having to use tab target is applying lots of AoE DoTs in the vicinity of the tether-zombie-walker. The AoEs damage the other trash too
Silly question, does tab target exist on consoles? ALWAYS TAB TARGET. Like I cant say it louder than that. There is never a reason not to. It is one of the biggest mistakes I see newer players make. Sure it doesnt matter to your AOES, but the most important thing that needs killing should be tab targeted 100% of the time. You should even tab target the target dummies when parsing.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »moleculardrugs wrote: »Everything else is easy except for void tether with the shades closing in on you. I have the dps but all the other bs gets in the way or it’s blocking me from stepping back and then I die. Is there a particular shade I should start with or what?
Just did vVH last night on my templar 😭
What helped me without having to use tab target is applying lots of AoE DoTs in the vicinity of the tether-zombie-walker. The AoEs damage the other trash too
Silly question, does tab target exist on consoles? ALWAYS TAB TARGET. Like I cant say it louder than that. There is never a reason not to. It is one of the biggest mistakes I see newer players make. Sure it doesnt matter to your AOES, but the most important thing that needs killing should be tab targeted 100% of the time. You should even tab target the target dummies when parsing.
You can highlight enemies, but if my understanding of tab targeting on PC is correct, that your single target attacks lock on to the targeted enemy, that is absolutely not something that can be done on console. You can highlight the enemy, but still require direct line of sight to target them with a single target ability, so other enemies can pass in front and take an attack intended for a highlighted enemy.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »moleculardrugs wrote: »Everything else is easy except for void tether with the shades closing in on you. I have the dps but all the other bs gets in the way or it’s blocking me from stepping back and then I die. Is there a particular shade I should start with or what?
Just did vVH last night on my templar 😭
What helped me without having to use tab target is applying lots of AoE DoTs in the vicinity of the tether-zombie-walker. The AoEs damage the other trash too
Silly question, does tab target exist on consoles? ALWAYS TAB TARGET. Like I cant say it louder than that. There is never a reason not to. It is one of the biggest mistakes I see newer players make. Sure it doesnt matter to your AOES, but the most important thing that needs killing should be tab targeted 100% of the time. You should even tab target the target dummies when parsing.
You can highlight enemies, but if my understanding of tab targeting on PC is correct, that your single target attacks lock on to the targeted enemy, that is absolutely not something that can be done on console. You can highlight the enemy, but still require direct line of sight to target them with a single target ability, so other enemies can pass in front and take an attack intended for a highlighted enemy.
@jaws343 s343
Guessing its the same mechanic, but guessing its easier to use on PC. On PC if you press tab with an enemy in your cross hairs, they will highlight. Tab targeting is certainly not perfect on PC. "Lock on" is not the term I would use as it is not a guarantee that that a single target skill lands, but it seems to increase the odds significantly if you are trying to kill something in the middle of a pack of enemies. You still benefit from having them in your cross hairs, but on the margins, its always the right thing to do.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »moleculardrugs wrote: »Everything else is easy except for void tether with the shades closing in on you. I have the dps but all the other bs gets in the way or it’s blocking me from stepping back and then I die. Is there a particular shade I should start with or what?
Just did vVH last night on my templar 😭
What helped me without having to use tab target is applying lots of AoE DoTs in the vicinity of the tether-zombie-walker. The AoEs damage the other trash too
Silly question, does tab target exist on consoles? ALWAYS TAB TARGET. Like I cant say it louder than that. There is never a reason not to. It is one of the biggest mistakes I see newer players make. Sure it doesnt matter to your AOES, but the most important thing that needs killing should be tab targeted 100% of the time. You should even tab target the target dummies when parsing.
You can highlight enemies, but if my understanding of tab targeting on PC is correct, that your single target attacks lock on to the targeted enemy, that is absolutely not something that can be done on console. You can highlight the enemy, but still require direct line of sight to target them with a single target ability, so other enemies can pass in front and take an attack intended for a highlighted enemy.
@jaws343 s343
Guessing its the same mechanic, but guessing its easier to use on PC. On PC if you press tab with an enemy in your cross hairs, they will highlight. Tab targeting is certainly not perfect on PC. "Lock on" is not the term I would use as it is not a guarantee that that a single target skill lands, but it seems to increase the odds significantly if you are trying to kill something in the middle of a pack of enemies. You still benefit from having them in your cross hairs, but on the margins, its always the right thing to do.
I pretty much exclusively use it in Trials to keep track of priority enemies. But that is usually right at the start of a trash pull, with time to sight the right enemy. I would definitely end up dead if I attempted to use it mid fight, especially in vateshran. Unfortunately tied directly to our crouch button on console.
My go to for the tether enemies is to target the one that is furthest away from the boss. Throw a dot on them first, drop AOEs between them and the center, and then move towards them while single targeting them. It helps keep all of the other enemies behind you as you move forward. Allowing you to focus on the tether enemy. Also gives you AOEs in between to help as well.
But, I also tend to pull all colossi up front and ult dump them all down right away. Saves them being ill timed additions to the fight.