Ability to inspect players in ESO

ADarklore

This totally created a toxic environment in DCUO and to a point even in FFXIV. People would be kicked from groups for not having the BIS gear when it wasn't even necessary... but some players have this mentality that if you're not running what they consider the 'best' build, then you're a poor player. ESO doesn't need that type of mentality when the population is already declining.

Wolf_Eye

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Galiferno wrote: »

You can with the built-in encounter log command and using the ESO Logs website. We use it on trials to look at players' gear/skills/casts to see if they're playing optimally in vet content and what we can do to help them improve. Without this feature, we would have no idea how to help players get better in content where it matters.

I also use it in random vets to inspect what pugs are using. If I'm doing 70% of the dps in a vet dlc dungeon and you ask for gear at the end, you better believe I logged, checked your setup, and decided I won't give you anything because you didn't have the decency to make sure you were geared and ready for the content and relied on pugs to carry you. No free carries, no free gear.

What??!!

They are trying to get better with armor sets and you deny them. That is the exact opposite way you should behave.

"...you didn't have the decency to make sure you were geared..." How should they get geared then?

This right here is the best argument on why gear inspection should not exist.

So basically "You can't get vet gear unless you already have vet gear....which means no one can get vet gear. Logic"

Except that's not at all how it actually works since there's actually a raid gear progression. ...

Except that
a) the idea of "gear progression" is rather muddled in ESO. There is no clear tier list of gear to progress through. A trial + a dungeon set are usually preferable to two trial sets. A crafted set like Order's Wrath is useful until very far into the end game. A base-game overland set like Mother's Sorrow was widely used in top-end builds for years. And even among trial sets, the order changes considerably from patch to patch.
Plus personal skill trumps gear for a long time.

and
b) That's not what the quoted person was talking about. They were referring to the guy logging random vets to see if their random group members were "worthy" of getting their spare gear drops by already having the (in their eyes) "correct" gear.

And generally, again, what you want is already there with esologs - a tool for raid leaders to coordinate gear, and to check for issues during progression. There is zero need to do that for random players in pickup groups or even when running around overland. That's just being nosy.

Gear progression is set by each group as each guild I'm a part of has different requirements on which gear they want people to have in order to run various trials as DPS/Heals/Tank. Some raid leads even dictate which sets he or she wants in a particular raid. I also completely agree with skill trumping gear which is why i said if you meet the DPS threshold you may be invited regardless.

I understood the quoted guy's statement about dungeons which is a highly unlikely scenario that I addressed in the post immediately following that post. I then addressed the real world scenario that would likely happen with trials groups. In dungeons there is no perfected gear from vet just monster helms so he can gear fully by running normal dungeons and improve that dungeon gear to purple quality at his crafting stations, run vet to get the monster helm, and then start raiding with no risk of being kick from dungeons for gear. That is the gear progression that I was initially talking about that would get him raiding.

I'm not a guy. And myself and @BlueRaven were very specifically talking about a specific individual in this thread who already stated their specific method for running dungeons. We were not talking about what most of the people in the game would realistically do.

CameraBeardThePirate

You can already inspect any group mate's gear with the /encounterlog chat command. The only caveat is to read the logs you need to install the ESOLogs client. This functionality has been in the game for as long as I can remember but few people know about it and even fewer use it. It allows you to see a person's entire build, down to the sets, traits, enchants, and gear quality. It also allows you to see stats on damage taken and dealt, as well as healing done and received. Very useful tool for learning, theory crafting, and analyzing/comparing certain setups and skills.

SPR_of_HA_community

Try to inspect robots ))) Bots are robots - inspect them. Live people alone 🤣

boi_anachronism_

I'm gonna give this a hard pass. It will just turn into toxicity. Imagine coming into a random vet and how many people would just scope everyone's gear and be like nah bc it's not BIS or straight up berate you..

Memory_In_Motion

we should be deciding how to block logs not inspect gear