Ability to inspect players in ESO

AzuraFan

Nope. I told a story in another thread that suggested this feature months ago about how I was on a low-level character minding my own business in Stonefalls when someone started whispering me about what I had in my quick slots. I don't know how they could see it (maybe an addon or some type of exploit). I wasn't in a group or anything. Anyway, what they were whispering was not welcome and pretty much ruined my play session that evening. So no thanks.

SeaGtGruff

Four_Fingers wrote: »

I wear Fruit of the Loom if you must know.

I did, too-- until they got their Hanes on me.

Amottica

jaws343 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Eric_Prince wrote: »

If only to inspect their outfits. Can't think of nothing else that would make me interested.

Everything else would open up the gate for toxic behaviour. Even if it's an opt-in, certain people would definitve gate grouping behind being able inspect and demand specific set ups.

And there is already enough of that in GF groups.

While it can be helpful in helping someone gear better, the drawback in ESO is not worth it. I understand the devs made a conscious choice to leave this out. Probably a very good decision.

Imagine having the skill and the DPS to do vet hardmode dungeons. And then queuing for group finder and getting kicked because the person running the gear inspect felt that you were wearing the wrong dps set. That is 100% what would happen if something this horrible were ever added to the game.

@jaws343

It seems your comment was intended for another post, as my comment you are replying to is specifically affirming the toxicity issues such an inspection would bring about.

Roztlin45

No thanks.

Clyde_BlueSnake

:P
*inspects Lifts-Her-Tail*
maid outfit
feather duster
spear
a loaf of bread

...

Dumb joking out of my system & it's out of the way now, no.
No thanks to such a stalking ability on to other players.

Natakiro

Hard no. I like that info being private and don't want anyone criticizing anything I may have equipped, regardless of situation. The few times I have been curious on an outfit/gear or thought something looked cool, I would just whisper or use say and have gotten answers that way. People can play as off-meta as they like; including this would just cause undue stress with such an invasive tool, as others have already mentioned.

SammyKhajit

Gear inspection? What’s this? The military?!

Sammy declines.

adriant1978

Would be nice to inspect what visual styles someone has. More than once I spot someone with a cool looking character and I wonder how they made that appearance, but I am sure not about to whisper a total stranger and ask them.

Definite no to inspecting equipped gear and stats though. That way is elitism and gatekeeping.

Elsonso

adriant1978 wrote: »

Would be nice to inspect what visual styles someone has. More than once I spot someone with a cool looking character and I wonder how they made that appearance, but I am sure not about to whisper a total stranger and ask them.

Why not? I have done this a few times. Sometimes they don't respond, but no one has ever been angry with me or arrogant in reply.

As for inspect itself... The feature is often requested, and ZOS seems keen on that sort of thing. I think it is likely that it will be in the game before long, hopefully with an "opt-out toggle" like with seeing pets in the cities. Even more hopefully... defaulting to OFF.

Dagoth_Rac

There is also a practical problem with gear inspection in ESO. Gear is not a big deal in ESO. A good player with a good rotation and good understanding of mechanics will perform well in bad gear. Unless you are doing organized veteran achievement runs with very tiny margins of error, gear is not the deciding factor in ESO. You can take the gear of a player doing 120k DPS, put it on another player, and they will do 50k DPS. And you can put mediocre crafted gear on the 120k DPS and they might drop to 110k DPS. That 10k can mean a lot in a hard-mode-no-death-speed-run DLC trial group. But in any content where you would inspecting random players, that 110k DPS is way more than enough.

Most success in this game comes from skill and being a good player. Gear is just icing on the cake.

Ghanima_Atreides

Elsonso wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Would be nice to inspect what visual styles someone has. More than once I spot someone with a cool looking character and I wonder how they made that appearance, but I am sure not about to whisper a total stranger and ask them.

Why not? I have done this a few times. Sometimes they don't respond, but no one has ever been angry with me or arrogant in reply.

You're clearly not someone who struggles with social awkwardness/anxiety.

I would feel incredibly awkward asking a total stranger what they're wearing, who might well feel annoyed by my intrusion and, at best, ignore me or at worst, tell me to **** off.

BlueRaven

Elsonso wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Would be nice to inspect what visual styles someone has. More than once I spot someone with a cool looking character and I wonder how they made that appearance, but I am sure not about to whisper a total stranger and ask them.

Why not? I have done this a few times. Sometimes they don't respond, but no one has ever been angry with me or arrogant in reply.

As for inspect itself... The feature is often requested, and ZOS seems keen on that sort of thing. I think it is likely that it will be in the game before long, hopefully with an "opt-out toggle" like with seeing pets in the cities. Even more hopefully... defaulting to OFF.

If someone has the “opt out” toggle turned on. I can see that being used as an excuse for an instant kick.
Once it’s implemented gear inspection will become required in pug groups. No doubt.

And then this game will become like wow, where only people who already have the gear they need, will be able to do content.

TaSheen

BlueRaven wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Would be nice to inspect what visual styles someone has. More than once I spot someone with a cool looking character and I wonder how they made that appearance, but I am sure not about to whisper a total stranger and ask them.

Why not? I have done this a few times. Sometimes they don't respond, but no one has ever been angry with me or arrogant in reply.

As for inspect itself... The feature is often requested, and ZOS seems keen on that sort of thing. I think it is likely that it will be in the game before long, hopefully with an "opt-out toggle" like with seeing pets in the cities. Even more hopefully... defaulting to OFF.

If someone has the “opt out” toggle turned on. I can see that being used as an excuse for an instant kick.
Once it’s implemented gear inspection will become required in pug groups. No doubt.

And then this game will become like wow, where only people who already have the gear they need, will be able to do content.

Exactly. It's not a good idea at all, and on top of everything else in WoW after MoP, it was one of the deciding factors why I left and haven't ever been back.

KlauthWarthog

Short answer is "no", long answer is "hell, no".

MisFire

It's no one's business what gear I'm using, unless I want to share.

Dragonredux

Not really interested, would bring more harm than good. With a game with a horizontal progression system, I don't need my toon getting harassed or kicked because I'm not wearing some combo of kinras/nirn/whorl/rele even though they can complete the content without it with ease.

JKorr

Rageypoo wrote: »

Just curious why there isn't an ability to inspect gear and skills like you can in games like WoW, would being able to inspect a player be something that ESO players would be interested in?

Oh heck no.

There is enough elite behavior without adding "and your gear not only sucks but you dyed it wrong" types into the mix. No. If you want to know what someone is using, or what dye that is, just ask.

JKorr

adriant1978 wrote: »

Would be nice to inspect what visual styles someone has. More than once I spot someone with a cool looking character and I wonder how they made that appearance, but I am sure not about to whisper a total stranger and ask them.

Definite no to inspecting equipped gear and stats though. That way is elitism and gatekeeping.

Most times people actually appreciate a comment about how good their gear looks. People take time and effort to find the styles and colors they think work well for the effect they want, and having someone say, "Great outfit, I love the color and the styles. What did you use?" is not unappreciated.

jaws343

Amottica wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Eric_Prince wrote: »

If only to inspect their outfits. Can't think of nothing else that would make me interested.

Everything else would open up the gate for toxic behaviour. Even if it's an opt-in, certain people would definitve gate grouping behind being able inspect and demand specific set ups.

And there is already enough of that in GF groups.

While it can be helpful in helping someone gear better, the drawback in ESO is not worth it. I understand the devs made a conscious choice to leave this out. Probably a very good decision.

Imagine having the skill and the DPS to do vet hardmode dungeons. And then queuing for group finder and getting kicked because the person running the gear inspect felt that you were wearing the wrong dps set. That is 100% what would happen if something this horrible were ever added to the game.

@jaws343

It seems your comment was intended for another post, as my comment you are replying to is specifically affirming the toxicity issues such an inspection would bring about.

I was just adding on to your thoughts, in agreement.

Hoghorn

i wouldn't use it much if at all, but i'm not against it; however, it's just not in this game's culture, the population is very sensitive to criticism

zaria

AzuraFan wrote: »

Nope. I told a story in another thread that suggested this feature months ago about how I was on a low-level character minding my own business in Stonefalls when someone started whispering me about what I had in my quick slots. I don't know how they could see it (maybe an addon or some type of exploit). I wasn't in a group or anything. Anyway, what they were whispering was not welcome and pretty much ruined my play session that evening. So no thanks.

Why should anybody care that skills you had on bars overland?
For one you might be leveling the skills, lots of people use dolmens or quests to level skills. I say its nice to level up an resto staff on any magic build just in case you need it.

Kiralyn2000

Chadak wrote: »

Gotta say that I'm glad there is no such ability in ESO.

Why? Because prior experience has made me 100% certain that the only appropriate way to deal with this is to make people ask and to allow people to refuse to engage with this topic if they don't want to do so. If you want to know what gear someone's running, ask. It should be up to them to tell you or not tell you as they see fit.

'Examine' options that let you snoop on other peoples' gear loadouts encourage one thing and one thing alone - nosiness. It's pure indulgence of nosiness that inclines some people to start to think that they're going to start Helping People™ by commenting on/criticizing their gear.

At its absolute best, this function can be marginally convenient when someone's asking you for help in figuring out their gear situation and you can look for yourself to see what they're starting with. This can also be accomplished by asking them to link their gear in a chat window, and IMO, that's how it *should* be addressed.

There is not one single good argument for why this needs to exist that cannot be resolved by simply asking if you're so concerned about someone's gear situation. If your concern is legit and the person in question wants your input, feedback or opinion, you can ask them about it and they can engage you on the subject.

Otherwise, live in your own yard and stop acting like you're entitled to live in mine as well.

Wow, such hostility.

Personally, I couldn't care less about people's builds/skills/"gear situation". I care about their motifs/costumes/dyes.

And I hate being bothered by whispers, I'd much rather people who wanted to know that about my characters would be able to just look at it without bothering me. Being able to inspect/be inspected is much less "nosy" than the annoying intrusion of /whispering at people.

But, hey - different people, different views. /shrug


edit: but yeah, toxic players would use it to be toxic. Of course, in the absence of /inspect, they'll find plenty of other ways to be like that - whether it's 'gearscore' or the buffs you're showing, or your class, or your CP level, or your addons, or whatever tools a particular game gives them. There's no stopping awful people from being awful, so using that as a reason to avoid features is kind of futile.

Elsonso

BlueRaven wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Would be nice to inspect what visual styles someone has. More than once I spot someone with a cool looking character and I wonder how they made that appearance, but I am sure not about to whisper a total stranger and ask them.

Why not? I have done this a few times. Sometimes they don't respond, but no one has ever been angry with me or arrogant in reply.

As for inspect itself... The feature is often requested, and ZOS seems keen on that sort of thing. I think it is likely that it will be in the game before long, hopefully with an "opt-out toggle" like with seeing pets in the cities. Even more hopefully... defaulting to OFF.

If someone has the “opt out” toggle turned on. I can see that being used as an excuse for an instant kick.
Once it’s implemented gear inspection will become required in pug groups. No doubt.

This "opt-out" is what we have with the poorly designed (for privacy) combat logging, so that is familiar territory for ZOS and I can see them repeating that. If the "kick due to opt-out" is going to happen, it is already happening.

Galiferno

You can with the built-in encounter log command and using the ESO Logs website. We use it on trials to look at players' gear/skills/casts to see if they're playing optimally in vet content and what we can do to help them improve. Without this feature, we would have no idea how to help players get better in content where it matters.

I also use it in random vets to inspect what pugs are using. If I'm doing 70% of the dps in a vet dlc dungeon and you ask for gear at the end, you better believe I logged, checked your setup, and decided I won't give you anything because you didn't have the decency to make sure you were geared and ready for the content and relied on pugs to carry you. No free carries, no free gear.

Kingsindarkness

Toanis wrote: »

Do you really want to explain why you're not using <streamer>'s mandatory build everytime you do group content?

You know you are seeing less and less of those types in ESO...I was looking at the stream team line up on the main page this past week you would see Deltia....and maybe one other (the one kid who is really mean to people who don't raid) other than that it was Questing, Housing ToT , and one person who was showing how to create different outfits for their companion.

I really like the direction the game is going in, and from the numbers for those Streamers had for viewers I'm not alone.

Galiferno wrote: »

I also use it in random vets to inspect what pugs are using. If I'm doing 70% of the dps in a vet dlc dungeon and you ask for gear at the end, you better believe I logged, checked your setup, and decided I won't give you anything............

SydneyGrey

It would just be used for bullying and exclusion. No thanks.

moleculardrugs

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Eric_Prince wrote: »

If only to inspect their outfits. Can't think of nothing else that would make me interested.

Everything else would open up the gate for toxic behaviour. Even if it's an opt-in, certain people would definitve gate grouping behind being able inspect and demand specific set ups.

public group dungeons through group finder would be a nightmare.

"What, you're using THAT set?! That's a selfish set. Why don't you wear ebon to benefit the group. Players like you ruin this game for everyone."

Literally have been told that me using a bow tank build was ruining the game for everyone even though my templar bow build could proc minor and major breach and taunt just the same...

Roxxsmom

Rageypoo wrote: »

Just curious why there isn't an ability to inspect gear and skills like you can in games like WoW, would being able to inspect a player be something that ESO players would be interested in?

Nope. Played WoW for years before I got burned out by all the toxcicity (and I was a moderately "serious" player back then). Done with that aspect of MMOs.

rpa

Well from my limited experience in other, better balanced gaem, it's quite useful tool when you are getting into actual hardcore content and need help from your raid leaders for fixing your build.

Elsonso

Kingsindarkness wrote: »

...and maybe one other (the one kid who is really mean to people who don't raid)

I have admit that in all of the streams I have watched, I have never come across this person. Huh.