Ability to inspect players in ESO

Lauranae

I have no wish to see 50 clones of my outfits. The easiest i made were copied very fast and its ok. But when i do a lot of research, use mixed style to create MY outfit, i do not want to be inspected.

If they put a toggle on it like for duel, i dont mind.

Houses will be soon the easiest thing to copy completely without the owner, i think its enough.
Once this will be in game in Nov, all my houses will be private with no visitors. Some houses are open since long. but the ones i made to fit in a background story, or to revive a RL memory for fun, i do no wish to have them around, not even my decorations.

I never refused to give a copy of my builds, BUT i hate to know that this will be totally out of control

TaSheen

Lauranae wrote: »

I have no wish to see 50 clones of my outfits. The easiest i made were copied very fast and its ok. But when i do a lot of research, use mixed style to create MY outfit, i do not want to be inspected.

If they put a toggle on it like for duel, i dont mind.

Houses will be soon the easiest thing to copy completely without the owner, i think its enough.
Once this will be in game in Nov, all my houses will be private with no visitors. Some houses are open since long. but the ones i made to fit in a background story, or to revive a RL memory for fun, i do no wish to have them around, not even my decorations.

I never refused to give a copy of my builds, BUT i hate to know that this will be totally out of control

@Lauranae - what do you mean about copying houses?

redlink1979

No.
Players can be already toxic enough.

AzuraFan

zaria wrote: »

Why should anybody care that skills you had on bars overland?
For one you might be leveling the skills, lots of people use dolmens or quests to level skills. I say its nice to level up an resto staff on any magic build just in case you need it.

It wasn't my skills, it was what I had in my quick slots. And who knows why some people care about what others are doing in a game? You'd have to ask those people. I can understand having an interest if you're grouping with someone to do something difficult. But random people in overland? Who knows?

Memory_In_Motion

If it were a "feature" people would be required to use prescribed gear as per some youtuber's video of what works best. I'll tell you straight up that my healers use one healing set and one dps set. No youtuber does that and quite frankly i think they're mostly informing people wrongly. One dps set should be used by every healer along with a healing set if not two dps sets because crit healing is effected positively with dps sets. I recommend 1 set of each for a balanced approached so that my toon doesn't get smacked down by mobs that always run past the tank and the dps's and head straight for the healer. I have actually been in some random normals (coa2 comes to mind) where my healer is doing 50% or more of the damage as well as the healing you'd expect a healer to do. It's ok. People need to learn if they're going to play. I have a healing bar and a dps bar. If i'm in a group that clearly needs nealing i'm happy to stick to my healing bar. Majority of the time though that's not the case and more dps is generally appreciated. If i had to tolerate being inspected before i could play a dungeon, i would go play another game or none at all.

Set i can recall off the top of my head include burning spell weave and jorvulds guidance, draugr's rest and war maiden, armor of the seducer and orders wratth. On my warden stamina healer i think i'm using automaton and pillar of nirn. Need to double check.

Hvíthákarl

Hard nope. There's something wonderful about not being able to discern a player's gear setup and/or class (unless they're sorc/warden with pets out) at first glance while idling in cities. Allowing gear to be inspected would open the door to tons of gatekeeping and toxic stuff I prefer not to deal with in this specific MMO.

tonyblack

I wouldn’t mind someone seeing my gear in pve and i can hardly imagine why would anyone bother to comment on someones gear in open world or in random normal dungeon, underperforming groups are already obvious from the first boss/trash pull. You signed up to it by doing it with randoms in the first place. Good players can easily solo carry all normal dungeons and world bosses, so wasting time on commenting someone’s else performance would speak more about themselves than about the other members. If you afraid of social interactions you can always set offline mode and nobody could whisper you with “advices” or whatever.

Now in vet dlc dungeons or trials it might be “toxic” but necessary feature, filtering out those who hold the whole group back would happen eventually, making it obvious from the start might save everyone’s time and prevent disbanding halfway through. I did log a few rough runs in the past and viewed many other eso logs, seeing certain individuals who drag the whole group down by completely useless builds is why I rarely do dungeons and trials with random groups. Implementing something like that might sound awful to some, but it can improve vet pug scene where it might be so much more enjoyable.

Not something I would have expected for pvp though as seeing someone else’s build can give a clear idea of how to counter it.

Wolf_Eye

I'd only care for an inspect feature if it was solely about the cosmetics. In other words, you only get to find out what their costume, dye colors, and cosmetic pet are.

Sometimes I find someone who's got a fantastic dye color on and I want to know what it is. And I feel really bad for asking because it usually requires the player to go to a dye station to look at what it is (if they don't have it memorized)

Dr_Con

there's add-ons for this. It tells you everything down to the trait, quality, and skills on their skillbar, though it won't show their name unless they voluntarily have it shown (it will show you their class, though).

It's interesting to look at the builds people have sometimes. But if someone's walking around in a vet trial with 9 pieces of green or blue gear, they're likely to be dropped before they are called out for their armor choice.

Chadak

Galiferno wrote: »

You can with the built-in encounter log command and using the ESO Logs website. We use it on trials to look at players' gear/skills/casts to see if they're playing optimally in vet content and what we can do to help them improve. Without this feature, we would have no idea how to help players get better in content where it matters.

I also use it in random vets to inspect what pugs are using. If I'm doing 70% of the dps in a vet dlc dungeon and you ask for gear at the end, you better believe I logged, checked your setup, and decided I won't give you anything because you didn't have the decency to make sure you were geared and ready for the content and relied on pugs to carry you. No free carries, no free gear.

You're making the perfect argument for why this 'feature' shouldn't exist, and why your work around should be banished as well.

You're using it as a tool by which to judge and police/punish others.

Do you understand how problematic that is?

SeaGtGruff

Elsonso wrote: »

Kingsindarkness wrote: »

...and maybe one other (the one kid who is really mean to people who don't raid)

I have admit that in all of the streams I have watched, I have never come across this person. Huh.

Or you did, but didn't see them when they were talking that way, or did see them talking that way but didn't consider it to be mean-spirited, etc. If he meant who I think, I used to watch regularly, but was taken aback by certain offhand comments and actions, as well as some of the chat comments posted by viewers, so I still follow the channel but seldom watch anymore.

chrisfeng

Galiferno wrote: »

I also use it in random vets to inspect what pugs are using. If I'm doing 70% of the dps in a vet dlc dungeon

You should just solo. Why bother with PUGS if all you do is to judge people?

BlueRaven

Galiferno wrote: »

You can with the built-in encounter log command and using the ESO Logs website. We use it on trials to look at players' gear/skills/casts to see if they're playing optimally in vet content and what we can do to help them improve. Without this feature, we would have no idea how to help players get better in content where it matters.

I also use it in random vets to inspect what pugs are using. If I'm doing 70% of the dps in a vet dlc dungeon and you ask for gear at the end, you better believe I logged, checked your setup, and decided I won't give you anything because you didn't have the decency to make sure you were geared and ready for the content and relied on pugs to carry you. No free carries, no free gear.

What??!!

They are trying to get better with armor sets and you deny them. That is the exact opposite way you should behave.

"...you didn't have the decency to make sure you were geared..." How should they get geared then?

This right here is the best argument on why gear inspection should not exist.

Lauranae

TaSheen wrote: »

Lauranae wrote: »

I have no wish to see 50 clones of my outfits. The easiest i made were copied very fast and its ok. But when i do a lot of research, use mixed style to create MY outfit, i do not want to be inspected.

If they put a toggle on it like for duel, i dont mind.

Houses will be soon the easiest thing to copy completely without the owner, i think its enough.
Once this will be in game in Nov, all my houses will be private with no visitors. Some houses are open since long. but the ones i made to fit in a background story, or to revive a RL memory for fun, i do no wish to have them around, not even my decorations.

I never refused to give a copy of my builds, BUT i hate to know that this will be totally out of control

@Lauranae - what do you mean about copying houses?

From pts
Decorators, Visitors and Limited Visitors will now be able to view the list of furnishings placed in a house. Decorators will be able to modify, precision edit and place map markers on any furnishing or path node in the list of furnishings placed in a house, including furnishings that are behind a wall, in a box or with a fox!

I gave to some friends the decorator ranking so for those i do not mind. But now anyone with inferior rank visiting the house will be able to retreive the full list of the items you placed in your house, and thus copy the house easily.
When i create a piece of art in my house, its not to find it in another house. WHen i create those, there is more in it that just put pieces together. I use the art i have in me in RL to create in game and this is who i am, not just some pieces put together just to be there.
So i do no agree that those are copied. I always said i can create for people if they want, i even often gave the mats to do them, but i did them to fit with the personality of the person, not mine.
May be i am silly, but i wont change who i am at 70.

spartaxoxo

Galiferno wrote: »

I also use it in random vets to inspect what pugs are using. If I'm doing 70% of the dps in a vet dlc dungeon and you ask for gear at the end, you better believe I logged, checked your setup, and decided I won't give you anything because you didn't have the decency to make sure you were geared and ready for the content and relied on pugs to carry you. No free carries, no free gear.

Everytime I think I want this feature because I've had such positive experience with it in the past, I'm reminded of all the negative experiences of others. This is a great reason not to have it. That's a yikes for me. I will drop if the damage is too low, or vote to get another DPS near the start of the run if I'm running a full tank. So I understand not wanting to carry someone. But, if they've made it to the end of the dungeon, they've earned their loot. Grouping disputes should be reserved for the beginning of the dungeon, so you don't waste people's time.

ezmaye

I wouldn't want this from a pvp perspective. I don't use the meta and wouldn't want people to know what I'm killing them with
It would be cool to see what outfits people have on tho!

Hapexamendios

No thanks

DarcyMardin

No. It’s bad enough that your build can pretty much be figured out by the use of an add-on (even if you’re listed as anonymous).

Jaimeh

There is such a thing possible already with ESO Logs, and it's very useful for organized groups to optimize and synergize their gear (it's also helpful for al lot of other aspects in organized raiding). Other than these kind of situations, I don't think it's really needed, and you can tell if someone might be wearing suboptimal things if they seem to have trouble sustaining, or for eg., a tank has issues surviving, and so on (also, you can easily tell some gear sets from procs or visual effects).

Julia_Nix

You really want to be ripped on for not wearing the latest perfected trial set with legendary quality?

MaraxusTheOrc

Oh, you only have purple jewelry and not gold? Sorry. I’m trying to finish this nCR as quickly as possible, need someone with better gear to carry me.

TaSheen

Lauranae wrote: »

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From pts
Decorators, Visitors and Limited Visitors will now be able to view the list of furnishings placed in a house. Decorators will be able to modify, precision edit and place map markers on any furnishing or path node in the list of furnishings placed in a house, including furnishings that are behind a wall, in a box or with a fox!

I gave to some friends the decorator ranking so for those i do not mind. But now anyone with inferior rank visiting the house will be able to retreive the full list of the items you placed in your house, and thus copy the house easily.
When i create a piece of art in my house, its not to find it in another house. WHen i create those, there is more in it that just put pieces together. I use the art i have in me in RL to create in game and this is who i am, not just some pieces put together just to be there.
So i do no agree that those are copied. I always said i can create for people if they want, i even often gave the mats to do them, but i did them to fit with the personality of the person, not mine.
May be i am silly, but i wont change who i am at 70.

Ah. Well, that's at least partially available already in EHT. And since the only decorator permissions I have set are for my own accounts, that's not an issue for me. None of my houses are open anyway; I don't want random people in them. So before U36 hits I'll just make sure I check permissions on all of them, and then again after.

That's actually not a very good thing to enable, really. Why on earth would they make it easy for strangers to mess up your builds? Kind of nasty really. Especially considering the times the housing permissions have gotten screwed up by patches.

Varana

Visitors won't be able to "mess up your builds" (excluding bugs). The permissions to change something in a house don't change; it's just about seeing the item names of things already there.

TBH, I can see someone re-building a particularly ingenious furniture combination or detail - but then, they could do this already, just with a bit more effort. I seriously doubt anyone would copy an entire housing layout, and if they do, that's an insane amount of effort even with the ability to look up items.

Amottica

BlueRaven wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

adriant1978 wrote: »

Would be nice to inspect what visual styles someone has. More than once I spot someone with a cool looking character and I wonder how they made that appearance, but I am sure not about to whisper a total stranger and ask them.

Why not? I have done this a few times. Sometimes they don't respond, but no one has ever been angry with me or arrogant in reply.

As for inspect itself... The feature is often requested, and ZOS seems keen on that sort of thing. I think it is likely that it will be in the game before long, hopefully with an "opt-out toggle" like with seeing pets in the cities. Even more hopefully... defaulting to OFF.

If someone has the “opt out” toggle turned on. I can see that being used as an excuse for an instant kick.
Once it’s implemented gear inspection will become required in pug groups. No doubt.

And then this game will become like wow, where only people who already have the gear they need, will be able to do content.

You are correct that even being able to toggle is off would have a negative effect.

It was noted in what you quoted that Zenimax seems keen to add things requested often. This is not requested all that often, and Zenimax has also seen the hostile toxicity that plays out in GF. As such it is more like Zenimax will continue with their logic that an inspection is not necessary and not good for the game.

Ragnarok0130

I found this feature and achievement checking very helpful raiding and especially PUGing RND raids in SWTOR outside of HM/NiM my prog groups. If someone is struggling in fulfilling their role, often you can see why they struggle by inspecting their gear - frequently I saw DDs with a mis match of tank, healer, and DPS gear and you can whisper them and explain gearing to them and they can fix their gear and improve their performance after the raid.

If someone isn’t performing mechs you can see if they’ve done the content before by checking achievements and you can put a quick explanation to the whole group before each boss because many times in SWTOR and ESO people refuse to admit they’ve not run content before when you ask the group.

These tools are very helpful and just because some people may use it to be jerks doesn’t mean they don’t have a place. People use chat to be toxic in ESO daily but I would not advocate for chat to be removed because some people misuse it.

thorwyn

I think we need to spearate the situations.There is absolutely no need for such a feature in non-organized play. When I am running dungeons with random people, I could not care less what they are wearing.
Organized raid groups are a different story though. Here, it is mandatory that the group lead has access to all the informations if the group wants to optimize. I have seen some weird sets and traits in my raiding time. But then, that's what esologs is for.

Inspecting random people only leads to toxoc behaviour. In LOTRO, you could name your legendary weapons and some people just randomly inspected other players and reportet anyone who'se legendary weapon name was not in line with the lore.

fizl101

Outfits/styles I dont care. Equipment, no thanks

Kiralyn2000

Lauranae wrote: »

I gave to some friends the decorator ranking so for those i do not mind. But now anyone with inferior rank visiting the house will be able to retreive the full list of the items you placed in your house, and thus copy the house easily.
When i create a piece of art in my house, its not to find it in another house. WHen i create those, there is more in it that just put pieces together. I use the art i have in me in RL to create in game and this is who i am, not just some pieces put together just to be there.
So i do no agree that those are copied. I always said i can create for people if they want, i even often gave the mats to do them, but i did them to fit with the personality of the person, not mine.

There's a lot more to decorating than the list of furnishings. Where & how they're placed is more important. And how is someone going to copy all of that?

So "copy the house easily" seems a bit of a stretch. Seems like it would take hours of screenshotting lists of items, and then screenshotting all the placements, and then somehow duplicating that.... seems like a huge amount of work. Pointless work, because who even cares that much?

Also, I don't think there's anyone out there who would want to copy your house. Maybe they wonder what furnishing that cool thing over there is, or maybe they might see a cool way you've intersected three items to make a new thing, sure (which they could already see & try to copy)... but wholesale copy your "artwork" of a house? I really don't see it ever happening.



(honestly, I've got to say that I don't understand the general viewpoint in the first place. Sorry. )

kringled_1

Varana wrote: »

Visitors won't be able to "mess up your builds" (excluding bugs). The permissions to change something in a house don't change; it's just about seeing the item names of things already there.

TBH, I can see someone re-building a particularly ingenious furniture combination or detail - but then, they could do this already, just with a bit more effort. I seriously doubt anyone would copy an entire housing layout, and if they do, that's an insane amount of effort even with the ability to look up items.

There used to be an issue of visitors being able to mess up a house with a lot of interactables (lights, music boxes etc) by turning things off or on inappropriately. But that's about it, and maybe these days there is a permission that covers that.

Kingsindarkness

Julia_Nix wrote: »

You really want to be ripped on for not wearing the latest perfected trial set with legendary quality?

Not to get too far off track, but...

You know I was thinking about this thread earlier and it hit me that the devs have really done a lot to remove so many of the Hyper-Competitive tropes like this in the game.

I mean the Dungeon finder is still a Train Wreck as far as the ability to harass other people....but I think that will sort itself out if we are given a Story mode for DLC Dungeons and Trials.

It's just a matter of time I think.