ZOS must consider to stop speed runner of the dungeon

thorwyn · August 2022

Maybe the speed runner should just solo....

If you are farming transmute crystals, you need to queue for a random normal.

gronoxvx · August 2022

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Stop expecting people to work overtime OP, other people’s extra effort is not your birthright.

If you want more than the minimum completion, at least ask nicely or offer payment.

Maybe the speed runner should just solo, if they can't and need the other players then the runner is the one wasting the other *three* people's time so they can get what they want with no consideration for what anyone else wants.

Same can be said for the person wishing to spend hours exploring every inch of the dungeon could also solo it so they arent wasting the other 3 peoples time that are left sitting there waiting.

FannyWarden · August 2022

AvalonRanger wrote: »

There're one more problem out there.
Speed runner is not actual Speed runner mostly.

Most of those type of player is not so strong in PVE situation.
They ignore pacing or over confidence player, and killed by
much of MObs in the progress of just the corridor.

It's disgusting.

Most of Speed runner is just unskilled Dull runner mostly.
(Of course fake tank and healer is worst problem though)

Dear developers, please stop those direction.

Actually fake dps a bigger problem. When I heal or tank and do 50% of the group dps, that is disgusting. Most fake dps, just for the ride. its disgusting. Really disgusting. As a healer, I think fake dps should be on auto boot if they drop below 25% group dps. I am tired of freeloaders.

orgin_stadia · August 2022

Remove rewards, such as transmutes, and you soon won't have any people in the queue.

Force dungeons to be slow, and people will lose interest in doing them.

After doing thousands of dungeons I can by certainty say that the vast majority of people doing (normal) dungeons want to finish of the dungeons as fast as possible. Why? Because after doing them 50+ times people tend to find going slow to be a complete waste of time and just utterly boring.

Being a slow runner is transient, after doing dungeons slow, they too will eventually move over to the fast clear group anyway.

You could create a separate queue for first timers and for grinders for sure, but that would just mean that the first queue will be depleted from people actually queueing in it over time.

If you want to stop "speedrunners" then you'd have to remove the grind aspect of dungeons (But again, that leads to less people in the queue) or make sure that the time/reward ratio is the same. No one wants to spend 45 minutes in a normal dungeon for one single stickerbook item listing to dialogue, opening every item box and kill every little trash mob, 40 times in a row.

IZZEFlameLash · August 2022

FannyWarden wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

There're one more problem out there.
Speed runner is not actual Speed runner mostly.

Most of those type of player is not so strong in PVE situation.
They ignore pacing or over confidence player, and killed by
much of MObs in the progress of just the corridor.

It's disgusting.

Most of Speed runner is just unskilled Dull runner mostly.
(Of course fake tank and healer is worst problem though)

Dear developers, please stop those direction.

Actually fake dps a bigger problem. When I heal or tank and do 50% of the group dps, that is disgusting. Most fake dps, just for the ride. its disgusting. Really disgusting. As a healer, I think fake dps should be on auto boot if they drop below 25% group dps. I am tired of freeloaders.

I've had this experience myself. If my tank skills do more DPS than actual DPS members, then there's a problem. That time this happened, I was glad it was just a normal dungeon. Also, I experience this as DPS as well. More often than not, I am like 70-80% of dps done.

Amethyst_Unearthed · August 2022

one way to do with would be to put an selection area to choose WHY you are queued for dungeons, speed run, EXP, quest ect.... only way to keep everyone happy and easiest way to resolve it imo

Sparxlost · August 2022

try entering a guild or recruiting people with like-minded interest in doing dungeons at a slower pace.....
daily dungeons arent something that i should have to take 20 minutes to do everyday when i plan on doing other things...

Vanos444 · August 2022

Amethyst_Unearthed wrote: »

one way to do with would be to put an selection area to choose WHY you are queued for dungeons, speed run, EXP, quest ect.... only way to keep everyone happy and easiest way to resolve it imo

Ppl need a Party finder in ESO...

Prof_Bawbag · August 2022

It bugs me no end when you're on a new account or character and they do that in the original dungeons. Some of those have obnoxious wait times for slow ass npcs to spout their nonsense. Vaults of Madness and Selene's being the 2 obvious ones. A lot of hanging around for the npcs to do their thing. However, credit to ZoS they stopped doing this with later dungeons and now you just get the story on the go, thus the quests are easily done.

That said, 9 times outta 10 if you tell the grp you need the quest all is fine. I've seen people complain about speed runners at the end, yet those same people never once mentioned they needed the quest. It's not always obvious if there's someone doing the quest. Even if it is obvious, it isn't always obvious to everyone. So pipe up.

Hasenpfote · August 2022

Just add a duo version of each dungeon by adjusting dungeon to allow players to explore a dungeon with his NPC mate. The bosses itself dont drop dungeon related stuff, only common stuff. Bosses are significant easier. This allows explorers to explore the dungeon.

Vanos444 · August 2022

AvalonRanger wrote: »

ZOS must consider to stop speed runner of the dungeon

Consider increase secret boss(or branching contents) reward more meaningful.
>not just power buff for veteran difficulty

>add weapon and jewelry drop for collection
>add 2 gold material reward
>add 20K gold reward

Unfortunately pure explorer is minority, majority people of this game
is just character building maniac. ... I don't like that, but it's truth. If you can't make
true exciting adventure gimmick in dungeon, then consider something short
solution to stop speed runners for gear farming.

Just increase reward of branching contents in dungeon as the bait
for pulling interest of speed runners.

Just increase importance of tank and healer role for those
special big reward mission. Otherwise, people never stop
doing fake role.

Normal dungeon speed run is fine!
Veteran dungeons isn't!! But acceptable, if the DPS can nuke enemies.

Also, PF is needed in this game!

MidniteOwl1913 · August 2022

gronoxvx wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Stop expecting people to work overtime OP, other people’s extra effort is not your birthright.

If you want more than the minimum completion, at least ask nicely or offer payment.

Maybe the speed runner should just solo, if they can't and need the other players then the runner is the one wasting the other *three* people's time so they can get what they want with no consideration for what anyone else wants.

Same can be said for the person wishing to spend hours exploring every inch of the dungeon could also solo it so they arent wasting the other 3 peoples time that are left sitting there waiting.

Well leaving someone behind, that's their problem, running ahead and dragging everyone else with you because of "joining encounter" makes it everyone's problem. The other three people aren't *forced* to wait, they are forced to join the runner. That's the fundamental difference.

Klingenlied · August 2022

Lucky you? I mean most groups would just kick you out if you are behind too far. For me, generally speaking: If I feel companions are more useful then actually players, chances are I start vote kick. And in random dungeons I measure usefulness in contribution to shortening completion times.
Dunno how many Trifecta runs you have done? There you will be killing everything. When farming for style pages? You try to make it through the hardest of vet content in under 10 minutes if possible. Not possible everywhere, especially when you want to kill the final boss on hm, but generally speaking - people like me who will have completed the "newest" dungeons with a fixed party of friends blind until we got our Trifecta will never care about people that hope to do this kind of run with "randoms". We got our first time exploration experience, our practice for the perfect run and thus pretty solid execution for everything in the dungeon. Mostly, it is a pretty bad experience when you get matched with random players anyway, so I try to avoid it generally. But yea, sometimes, you just queue for a dungeon solo - and just hope for the best.

In the worst case - with like 3 people wanting a exploration run - I'd just leave. Not my cup of tea.

Reaver999 · August 2022

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Technically, Zenimax did address the issue. It is why everyone is pulled into the fight once one person engages a boss.

I think if they made the trash on the way to the boss meaningful so that players could not just run past them then it would help solve the issue.

However, players who have a specific interest, including taking it slow so one can explore, need to form their own group. It is one thing to slow down a speed runner and a different thing to go at a pace allowing players to explore and get into the details of a story.

This only helps the speed runner. They run until they hit a boss, *bang* everyone joins them no matter what the other 3 are doing at the time. Boss done, the run ahead again, rinse repeat. How does this do anything but help the speed runners?

it is especially annoying if you come across a chest and you haven't maxed skill to pop the lock and you are just about to pop the chest and you get sucked into combat. Very annoying. Sometimes it feels like the game caters to this type behavior. make support necessary again! it's stupid to say the game provides different play styles and roles when in actuality it caters to straight dps. nerf healing on dps. Add more one shot mechs and heavy dots to be offset or cleansed, bring back heals and real tanks.

ForzaRammer · August 2022

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Stop expecting people to work overtime OP, other people’s extra effort is not your birthright.

If you want more than the minimum completion, at least ask nicely or offer payment.

Maybe the speed runner should just solo, if they can't and need the other players then the runner is the one wasting the other *three* people's time so they can get what they want with no consideration for what anyone else wants.

If it’s optional content, no one has responsibility to do it.

If the speed runner completed other mandatory content while the rest is wasting time on optional, then he would be already doing more than his fair share.

PrimusTiberius · August 2022

weapon drops should come from any dungeon and trial boss

NordSwordnBoard · August 2022

You can't stop speed running. You can redirect the traffic through another venue.

Amottica · August 2022

PrimusTiberius wrote: »

weapon drops should come from any dungeon and trial boss

It was proven before that having weapons dropping from the first boss is a poor design unless the goal is to have people only fight the first boss.

AinSoph · August 2022

I have the opposite problem really, I WANT to be paired with speedrunners and not people who cower at starting an encounter because at some point doing dungeons on repeat with people of various skill levels gets really tedious and the only solution i've come up with is just not even participating in queue anymore.

Majkiy · August 2022

Amottica wrote: »

Technically, Zenimax did address the issue. It is why everyone is pulled into the fight once one person engages a boss.

I think if they made the trash on the way to the boss meaningful so that players could not just run past them then it would help solve the issue.

However, players who have a specific interest, including taking it slow so one can explore, need to form their own group. It is one thing to slow down a speed runner and a different thing to go at a pace allowing players to explore and get into the details of a story.

This I don't really like. If 3 people decide to skip side bosses and 1 other person doesn't, they still have the ability to pull other 3 people into the side boss, forcing them to either kill it, or most likely scenario, to leave the dungeon,

MidniteOwl1913 · August 2022

Reaver999 wrote: »

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Technically, Zenimax did address the issue. It is why everyone is pulled into the fight once one person engages a boss.

I think if they made the trash on the way to the boss meaningful so that players could not just run past them then it would help solve the issue.

However, players who have a specific interest, including taking it slow so one can explore, need to form their own group. It is one thing to slow down a speed runner and a different thing to go at a pace allowing players to explore and get into the details of a story.

This only helps the speed runner. They run until they hit a boss, *bang* everyone joins them no matter what the other 3 are doing at the time. Boss done, the run ahead again, rinse repeat. How does this do anything but help the speed runners?

it is especially annoying if you come across a chest and you haven't maxed skill to pop the lock and you are just about to pop the chest and you get sucked into combat. Very annoying. Sometimes it feels like the game caters to this type behavior. make support necessary again! it's stupid to say the game provides different play styles and roles when in actuality it caters to straight dps. nerf healing on dps. Add more one shot mechs and heavy dots to be offset or cleansed, bring back heals and real tanks.

Yeah, I love looting and I too am really annoyed to be pulled away before I can get the chest open. Sometimes even a simple chest can have good loot.

Ragnarok0130 · August 2022

Amottica wrote: »

Technically, Zenimax did address the issue. It is why everyone is pulled into the fight once one person engages a boss.

I think if they made the trash on the way to the boss meaningful so that players could not just run past them then it would help solve the issue.

However, players who have a specific interest, including taking it slow so one can explore, need to form their own group. It is one thing to slow down a speed runner and a different thing to go at a pace allowing players to explore and get into the details of a story.

IMO they should do the adult thing and ask the group when the spawn in to do extra bosses. I've done that when I was chasing veteran achievements and never had a group say no and plow ahead. However in the case of those who want to meander and explore every nook and cranny of a dungeon you are right, forming their own pre-made group is a must.

Zezin · August 2022

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Stop expecting people to work overtime OP, other people’s extra effort is not your birthright.

If you want more than the minimum completion, at least ask nicely or offer payment.

Maybe the speed runner should just solo, if they can't and need the other players then the runner is the one wasting the other *three* people's time so they can get what they want with no consideration for what anyone else wants.

I would love to! But sadly I can't do solo randoms as that option doesn't exist.

Dawnblade · August 2022

I go with the flow / let the majority decide. If I am the minority and don't want to deal with whatever it is the majority prefers, I take my leave.

Fake roles - I don't care unless it causes real issues.

Low dps - I don't care unless it causes real issues.

Slower / faster than average - I don't care unless it causes real issues.

Real issues for me are mostly those that prohibit a successful run, create mass chaos, or make the run excessively (not just a couple of minutes, more like adding 5-10+ minutes to the average non-speed run time) long.

MalEducado · August 2022

i love to play with speed runners

boi_anachronism_ · August 2022

If someone tells me they are doing a quest I will slow down for them, if someone tells me they are chest hunting I will slow down. If not I'm gonna book it to get my dailies done. I don't see an issue with that. If you want to go back and loot after let me know and I'll stay grouped for another few minutes so you can do that. Just communicate..

kurbbie_s · August 2022

AvalonRanger wrote: »

ZOS must consider to stop speed runner of the dungeon

Consider increase secret boss(or branching contents) reward more meaningful.
>not just power buff for veteran difficulty

>add weapon and jewelry drop for collection
>add 2 gold material reward
>add 20K gold reward

Unfortunately pure explorer is minority, majority people of this game
is just character building maniac. ... I don't like that, but it's truth. If you can't make
true exciting adventure gimmick in dungeon, then consider something short
solution to stop speed runners for gear farming.

Just increase reward of branching contents in dungeon as the bait
for pulling interest of speed runners.

Just increase importance of tank and healer role for those
special big reward mission. Otherwise, people never stop
doing fake role.

youre asking for the company to force us to stop running dungeons for gear quickly?

kurbbie_s · August 2022

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Technically, Zenimax did address the issue. It is why everyone is pulled into the fight once one person engages a boss.

I think if they made the trash on the way to the boss meaningful so that players could not just run past them then it would help solve the issue.

However, players who have a specific interest, including taking it slow so one can explore, need to form their own group. It is one thing to slow down a speed runner and a different thing to go at a pace allowing players to explore and get into the details of a story.

This only helps the speed runner. They run until they hit a boss, *bang* everyone joins them no matter what the other 3 are doing at the time. Boss done, the run ahead again, rinse repeat. How does this do anything but help the speed runners?

then make a group if you want to stare at the walls. We arent here to cater to you, we're here for our own fun.

kurbbie_s · August 2022

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Stop expecting people to work overtime OP, other people’s extra effort is not your birthright.

If you want more than the minimum completion, at least ask nicely or offer payment.

Maybe the speed runner should just solo, if they can't and need the other players then the runner is the one wasting the other *three* people's time so they can get what they want with no consideration for what anyone else wants.

maybe you should solo, it seems like a you problem. Not anyone else. You dont seem to understand that youre complaining about YOUR playstyle not being catered to by other players. Idc if you want to pick up boxes in wayrest sewers 2. Ive done that dungeon more times than i can count. Same for everyone else.

kurbbie_s · August 2022

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Stop expecting people to work overtime OP, other people’s extra effort is not your birthright.

If you want more than the minimum completion, at least ask nicely or offer payment.

Maybe the speed runner should just solo, if they can't and need the other players then the runner is the one wasting the other *three* people's time so they can get what they want with no consideration for what anyone else wants.

youre wasting my time, i only have an hour or 2 a day to play, i dont got time to stand around and wait for you. What about my playstyle? My playtime?