Oakensoul is Still a 20% Nerf

DrSlaughtr

Stx wrote: »

Obviously Oakensoul gains power in a solo environment, because you gain full value from all the buffs it provides. In a group environment however, you lose value on it whenever you gain one of the buffs from a support or ally. That's why oakensoul is OP for gankers in pvp, and makes Solo arenas easier. Oakensoul has front loaded damage, making it easier to cleave through multiple enemies with lower HP. But it will never compete with a two bar setup for world bosses, vet dungeon bosses, or raids, even on live.

All these nerfs are doing on the PTS is making it unusable in group pve. It will still be usable in solo environments, just not nearly as good as it was. And depending on your class, it may not be worth running in any scenario. As a templar, I already get minor protection and minor mending, and minor berserk/force are super easy to get even solo... so why would i continue to run this?

Someone would run it if they need to for accessibility reasons, which was it's intended purpose. If a player can run 2 bars, manage their buffs and know how to run optimized groups, then they are not the target audience.

IZZEFlameLash

seventyfive wrote: »

Ask yourself this - what is the goal of nerfing something?
And before you ask, my interpretation of their comments regarding the ring is that it was meant to be nerfed for pve as well, although not as much as initially perhaps.

I believe they've achieved what they set out to achieve. Seems to be as good as it deserves to be now, with a little extra love for pve but still noticeably behind the options that require significantly more effort from the player, just as it should be.

You seem to forget that end game pve builds involve 2 bars, there's literally no reason for end game pvers to run this at all when they can have all those buffs in their groups which means 2 bars pull way ahead in dps. People unable to get into end game groups for whatever their own reasons still have their accessibility reduced at the end. And to pull comparable dps to 2 bars, it also required perfect execution of rotations, so it required efforts anyways. 'Requiring significantly more effort from the player' isn't a valid excuse for ZOS nerf to this ring.

taugrim wrote: »

merpins wrote: »

Every single quote you're showing is of people that are at mid-game or early game

You either didn't read the Reddit posts or didn't comprehend them.

The Redditor I quoted twice was doing Flawless VMA runs using light attacks only, with different builds. Oakensoul blew the doors off every other build that that player has tried in terms of speed and safety. The videos are on on that person's YouTube channel.

That is not "mid-game or early game" 🤣🤣🤣

Yeah sorry, no. Even with the ring, people that cannot do no death run cannot do it. Because that ring doesn't help against that poison mushroom stage for sure. I get that you have an agenda to portray it as OP item that needs to be nerfed but come on, vMA or even vVH is all about conquering the mechanics with little dps checks that is around 10-15k which is easily achieved by a lot of people. People that were not in severe lag or suffering from disabilities all eventually got Flawless Conqueror if they spent time on learning mechanics.

Also, the light attack build guy you mentioned said that they had been doing that for a while even before Oaken, so... what's the point again? It helped, sure but were they unable to do flawless run without it? No. You can see that they know ins and outs of the arena mechanics in the video.

merpins

ninjagank wrote: »

merpins wrote: »

taugrim wrote: »

merpins wrote: »

Every single quote you're showing is of people that are at mid-game or early game

You either didn't read the Reddit posts or didn't comprehend them.

The Redditor I quoted twice was doing Flawless VMA runs using light attacks only, with different builds. Oakensoul blew the doors off every other build that that player has tried in terms of speed and safety. The videos are on on that person's YouTube channel.

That is not "mid-game or early game" 🤣🤣🤣

Anyone can do a flawless VMA run with any build given time and mechanics. You can probably do exactly the same thing, easier with the ring of the pale order. Stunts like that don't prove whether or not an item is overpowered. It only proves the person that did it is very good with the game's mechanics. I seriously doubt it was easier with the ring than it is with the ring of the pale order. It also doesn't matter if an oakensoul build did better than any other build for a VMA run with... Light attacks only. The guy isn't going for any score pushing, he's not killing off the last boss of whatever vet dungeon in 30 seconds like some giga-min-maxed guilds sometimes do. He's doing a stunt.

The longer it takes to kill everything, the harder it becomes. Mechanics start to stack. Incoming damage begins to stack.

This is why significantly increasing damage with oak makes it easier. If you're killing everything before you have to worry about the archers or poison blooms, then your success rate dramatically increases.

Significantly easier... In a light attack only build. Killing everything before you have to worry about mechanics is obviously the thing you want to do. You can do that with a normal oaken build too, but you can do it with any half decent DPS build, and it will out perform even the best oaken builds by a decent margin. Your point isn't making sense. Nerf oaken because one dude did super good in a niche stunt VMA run and therefore oaken is OP?

Caribou77

If you PVP and play warden, you pretty much have to use Oakensoul to avoid Plaguebreak Set eating you alive for running Betty Netch, your class major sorcery ability.

It’s fine though, Magden is so overpowered in PVP, forcing them to wear a weak, crippling 1-bar ring, is fair and balanced (this is sarcasm. if you don’t get it, try playing magden in PVP

merpins

Caribou77 wrote: »

if you don’t get it, try playing magden in PVP

Or try playing magden in any content at all.

selig_fay

I think its good nerf. He still good in pve and he weaken in pvp. And o can use set, like kinrass wrath, to be very effective for myself and get buff to ally.
But, i have only 1 problem. If this thing good for trials, its actualy not, because its kill you on bar swap mechanics. You know, you can't swap and you kill group.)

taugrim

Caribou77 wrote: »

If you PVP and play warden, you pretty much have to use Oakensoul to avoid Plaguebreak Set eating you alive for running Betty Netch, your class major sorcery ability.

Nope.

Been playing hundreds of BGs in Update 34 with my Warden, and I don't crutch on Oakensoul.

https://taugrim.com/2022/05/11/stamina-warden-pvp-build-taugrims-brawler/

Caribou77

Sorry, should have specified Magden.

Caribou77

Oh wait, I did, ☺️