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POLL: Should The Elder Scrolls Online Expansions be free for everyone
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renne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, pay it or leave itFlopsyPrince wrote: »PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Chiaroscuro wrote: »Turning the game into a mess of MTX would be hellish.
I think its frankly awesome the way its implemented already in theory, just...wish the execution wasnt so sloppy? Let people buy dlcs with MONEY not crowns, its needlessly annoying. Let people just flat spend cash like normal adults, ZOS. Stop trying to force some of us who deeply resent the crown nonsense into that side of the ecosystem.
I will say, gameplay things like, say, *jewellerymaking* shouldnt be locked behind dlc though. I'm not saying give Summerset itself away (tho it was very cool to see that happen with Morrowind), but the skilline shouldn't just be a middlefinger to those who want to be master crafters while enjoying the base game.
The precedent set by jewellerymaking actually is what sent me on hiatus from the game for several years, I was so disgusted. Not pleased to see it happened again with scrying, too.
I'm subbed rn because I really enjoy Tamriel but I deliberately don't recommend the game to new players and friends anymore specifically **because of that compromising my trust in ZOS.**
Those are not DLCs, they are expansions. I believe you get JC with any new game now. Not sure about scrying, but I don't think that is a DLC either.
JC is summerset, new base game purchases don't have summerset. Scrying is Greymoor, same thing. So if a new player wants those things they need to buy the collection that includes previous chapters, or buy the DLC in the crownstore.
I am not certain, but I thought all but the current expansion was no wrapped into the base game. I definitely could be wrong on that.
I THINK it's all included except for the current expansion with ESO+, not the base game. I think Morrowind is the only one included with the base game at the moment.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, pay it or leave itFlopsyPrince wrote: »PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »FlopsyPrince wrote: »Chiaroscuro wrote: »Turning the game into a mess of MTX would be hellish.
I think its frankly awesome the way its implemented already in theory, just...wish the execution wasnt so sloppy? Let people buy dlcs with MONEY not crowns, its needlessly annoying. Let people just flat spend cash like normal adults, ZOS. Stop trying to force some of us who deeply resent the crown nonsense into that side of the ecosystem.
I will say, gameplay things like, say, *jewellerymaking* shouldnt be locked behind dlc though. I'm not saying give Summerset itself away (tho it was very cool to see that happen with Morrowind), but the skilline shouldn't just be a middlefinger to those who want to be master crafters while enjoying the base game.
The precedent set by jewellerymaking actually is what sent me on hiatus from the game for several years, I was so disgusted. Not pleased to see it happened again with scrying, too.
I'm subbed rn because I really enjoy Tamriel but I deliberately don't recommend the game to new players and friends anymore specifically **because of that compromising my trust in ZOS.**
Those are not DLCs, they are expansions. I believe you get JC with any new game now. Not sure about scrying, but I don't think that is a DLC either.
JC is summerset, new base game purchases don't have summerset. Scrying is Greymoor, same thing. So if a new player wants those things they need to buy the collection that includes previous chapters, or buy the DLC in the crownstore.
I am not certain, but I thought all but the current expansion was no wrapped into the base game. I definitely could be wrong on that.
The $20 "base game" edition has just core ESO + Morrowind.
The $60 "collection" edition has everything including the latest/current Chapter.Edited by Kiralyn2000 on May 10, 2022 1:13PM0 -
BXR_Lonestar✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, pay it or leave itNobody is entitled to Bethesda/Zos' work product. If you want it, pay for it.3 -
Redguards_Revenge✭✭✭✭No, pay it or leave itBluedog164 wrote: »
Doesn't ESO+ get all the expansions free and possibly DLC?
Yes, in pvp expansions come with the pay to win aspect to it every time. That's just the way the ball i rolling. That new mythic is going to be top dog in pvp and pve. Especially solo builds.
Here's what I do....(YOU KNOW WHAT I DO!!!) solves the inventory space problem, the dlc problem and the, too many character problem, etc...and all I have to do is wait about 2-3 years. Play for that year that I solve the problem, wait 2-3 years playing some events here and there. Rinse repeat. It doesn't break the TOS, and you will never run out of content maxing out everything because you have to wait. A time wall, if you can't do the pay wall. I can do other things while waiting. I recently learned how to digital paint and now I am moving onto concept art. I've been thinking about drawing some areas in eso but I don't know... I rarely see TES art nowadays amirite?
I do the same for many games. I don't mind not being the first to experience something. Wait for all the info to be released about it then jump in when it's cheaper and have plenty of resources to use as least money and time as possible. For example EL-Ring...I will wait for all of the DLC and stuff to come out about 3-4 years later, and then buy it at like $19 on steam sales. By that time the game has been balanced...usually fixed...and mountains of guides to help me breeze by.
In a sense I am incompatable with ESO I realized this as I usually play pvp. I am transitioning to PVE. Single player PVE. I actually was doing a quest line and when I finished it I was like "wow that was pretty entertaining."
Oaken souls release is about to oaken blow this games pvp to smithereens. I just recently found a way to hold my own with legacy sets. Now it's time to throw that out the window next month lol.Edited by Redguards_Revenge on May 10, 2022 3:52PM0 -
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✭✭No, pay it or leave itAs many others have pointed out, how would these people make a living?
Also, every free to play game I've tried has been terrible.
I do think there is a case for subscribers receiving access, or at least a significant discount on expansions. This was the year I decided to wait for a fall sale to get the new expansion, as I feel $60+ is far too much to ask for what we've been getting, and only half the story at that.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, pay it or leave itAs many others have pointed out, how would these people make a living?
Also, every free to play game I've tried has been terrible.
I do think there is a case for subscribers receiving access, or at least a significant discount on expansions. This was the year I decided to wait for a fall sale to get the new expansion, as I feel $60+ is far too much to ask for what we've been getting, and only half the story at that.
They would make a living with microtransactions.
When it comes to F2P games, how it usually works is that the expansions and such are all free. But then you pay a lot of money in the form of microtransactions for things like exp boosters, cosmetics, etc. They also tend to rely pretty heavily on FOMO for some of those cosmetic items.
It's actually a very lucrative busines model.
eta: I actually have spent more in f2p games than pay-to-play games sometimes.Edited by spartaxoxo on May 11, 2022 1:03AM0 -
jtm1018✭✭✭✭✭No, its payed content to get better quality. Look at f76, free content because.........
You get it right?
No?
Whatever.0 -
FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭baltic1284 wrote: »I do not believe anything in the game needs be free per say especially Expansions and chapters they do need make money but i will agree they need work hard on their Support staff and actually address and fix solutions.
And when do you think that will happen if it has not happened already?
It is kind of like expecting toll money to go solely to paying for the roads that are tolled. Great idea in principle, but things don't work that way.PC
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No, pay it or leave itI am a cheap skate myself but if the product is good then the creator deserves pay. I get this in the music industry all the time. People like my music so they pirate it and it takes a lot of work so I really appreciate it when they do pay. I also understand some of my fans are not that well off so I expect some portion to get stolen and don't complain. Heck, I've even arranged for free tickets for a handful of pirates, but still I'd prefer if they paid for my labor even if it is a labor of love.0
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✭✭✭Heydan_Seegil wrote: »I am a cheap skate myself but if the product is good then the creator deserves pay. I get this in the music industry all the time. People like my music so they pirate it and it takes a lot of work so I really appreciate it when they do pay. I also understand some of my fans are not that well off so I expect some portion to get stolen and don't complain. Heck, I've even arranged for free tickets for a handful of pirates, but still I'd prefer if they paid for my labor even if it is a labor of love.
The issue so many miss is that many already pay: for ESO+. Thus it is a sub game, yet those who do still have to pay for expansions. WoW is worse, because you can't play "for free" (that I know of at least) at any level outside of free times, which ESO also has, but I find paying a sub AND paying for expansions to be quite annoying.
And I am someone who just plunked down more than a few bucks on Crown Gems in the last sale. (I do wish you could buy multiples there, doing that is a pain and can get your credit card company to reject purchases.)PC
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AvalonRanger✭✭✭✭✭No, pay it or leave itZOS is not volunteer, they're workers. They need money for their life. Simple enough.My playing time Mon-Friday UTC13:00-16:00 [PC-NA] CP over2000 now.
I have [1Tough tank] [1StamSorc-DD] [1Necro-DD] [1Real Healer]
with [1Stam Blade].
But, I'm Tank main player. Recently I'm doing Healer.
2023/12/21
By the way...Dungeon-Meshi(One of Famous Japanese fantasy story comic book) got finale...
Good-bye "King of Monster Eater".
2024/08/23
Farewell Atsuko Tanaka...(-_-) I never forget epic acting for major Motoko Kusanagi.1 -
MaraxusTheOrc✭✭✭✭✭No, pay it or leave itInterim analysis: There is a statistically significant proportion of players overwhelmingly in support of paid expansion content.0
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ResidentContrarian✭✭✭✭✭No, pay it or leave itI don't want to be forced into content I don't want to consume1
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majulook✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, pay it or leave it
How are they to pay employees that create content. Pay for in infrastructure such as servers, web site, this forum, and all the other things?
If you do not want to pay the newest Chapters price, Just wait awhile... All the DLC's and Chapters end up in the Crown store eventually and at a lower price point, usually after one year IIRCC.Si vis pacem, para bellum0 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, pay it or leave itComing up next, should I be able to walk out the grocery store with a full cart without paying?0 -
HappyTheCamper✭✭✭✭✭No, pay it or leave itNo it’s a business.
But if they continue the yearlong story theme then the Q4 should be free for everyone that owns the expansion.0 -
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✭✭✭AvalonRanger wrote: »ZOS is not volunteer, they're workers. They need money for their life. Simple enough.
That is horrible logic. So should they charge you $10 each second you are in the game then?
The underlying point is that many of us subscribe with ESO+, yet still have to pay for expansions on a regular basis. Drop one fee or the other....PC
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drsalvation✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »I think ZOS should go back to the big zone of the year being included with ESO+ (like Wrothgar was). But I certainly don't think new game content should be free for everyone. Many people bought base game on sale for like $10 or $20 years ago. They should get unlimited new game content at no further charge forever? That seems pretty extreme.
They ARE "free" for ESO+ members. My brother hasn't bought any chapter, but he does have ESO+ and we've been questing around all zones.0 -
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Completely agree. I've only actually paid for Crown Crates once, and it was accidentalI would rather pay for content than have predatory crown crates. They do need to make money to pay the developers, writers, artists, and voice actors, plus keeping the server lights on. I just wish crown crates were not a thing and more fluff was added to the crown shop instead. But expansions I'm ok with paying for.
Pacrooti made me feel like I was in a casino, being encouraged to waste my money, and I hate casinos and gambling in general. I have no problem with paying for the new content, in fact I want to pay for it, for the reasons you mentioned. PC(Steam) / EU / play from Melbourne, Australia / avg ping 3901 -
FlopsyPrince✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭drsalvation wrote: »Dagoth_Rac wrote: »I think ZOS should go back to the big zone of the year being included with ESO+ (like Wrothgar was). But I certainly don't think new game content should be free for everyone. Many people bought base game on sale for like $10 or $20 years ago. They should get unlimited new game content at no further charge forever? That seems pretty extreme.
They ARE "free" for ESO+ members. My brother hasn't bought any chapter, but he does have ESO+ and we've been questing around all zones.
That is DLC not expansions.
Completely agree. I've only actually paid for Crown Crates once, and it was accidentalI would rather pay for content than have predatory crown crates. They do need to make money to pay the developers, writers, artists, and voice actors, plus keeping the server lights on. I just wish crown crates were not a thing and more fluff was added to the crown shop instead. But expansions I'm ok with paying for. Pacrooti made me feel like I was in a casino, being encouraged to waste my money, and I hate casinos and gambling in general. I have no problem with paying for the new content, in fact I want to pay for it, for the reasons you mentioned.
You get both. That is not an offered choice!PC
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pleximus✭✭✭✭✭No, pay it or leave itBluedog164 wrote: »
And what is YOUR reasoning to chapters being free? I assume you mean the unreleased one too, High Isle?0 -
No, pay it or leave itAs much as I'd like for them to be free, ZOS still needs to make money and I feel paid DLC is a more ethical way to do that than crown crates.1 -
Drammanoth✭✭✭✭✭No, pay it or leave itYou know, if you check the discussions of Bluedog164, as few as they are, the majority are polls.
This begs the question: what is the point of doing them? O.oEdited by Drammanoth on May 15, 2022 10:59AM3 -
SerasWhip✭✭✭✭Yes they should be freethey should give my money back for buying Morrowind as it is given away for free now..0 -
Didgerion✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes they should be freeYes of course.
So must be the food in the stores and everything!
...wait but who will work then? hmm we will think about that later, its playtime now!
Edited by Didgerion on May 15, 2022 7:34PM2 -
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This but you have to put in 10 hour play a week grinding for ESO+ players.Yes of course.
So must be the food in the stores and everything!
...wait but who will work then? hmm we will think about that later, its playtime now!
Suddenly serfdom sounds like an nice deal.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0
