I would appreciate that ESO do not change my Windows settings (taskbar reseted)

Lauranae

While i was downloading the new pts, ESO deactivated my taskbar and bare me to access my Document folder until i saw my desktop reset automatically.

I do not know the reason behind this, you can manipulate ESO all you want, but please do not mess with my Windows and computer.

Jaraal

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/603563/explorer-exe-restart-after-pts-quit/p1

Lauranae

Jaraal wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/603563/explorer-exe-restart-after-pts-quit/p1

Well thanks but anyway ESO did not answer clearly.

They do what they want with the game, they own it and its their rules. BUT they have absolutly no right to modify MY computer s system.
Actually i need to reboot my system after leaving PTS as something is still continuously reseting in loop my taskbar.

So far i can only imagine that they hide something from us that is clearly dishonest. So i do not wish an answer but i really WANT an answer.
i will alert Windows even on this problem.

K9002

Your system is already modified by the live version of the game, it's just not visible on most people's machines. It got exposed further on PTS because a minority asked for a fix the same week that U33 launched.

Inaya

Lauranae wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/603563/explorer-exe-restart-after-pts-quit/p1

Well thanks but anyway ESO did not answer clearly.

They do what they want with the game, they own it and its their rules. BUT they have absolutly no right to modify MY computer s system.
Actually i need to reboot my system after leaving PTS as something is still continuously reseting in loop my taskbar.

So far i can only imagine that they hide something from us that is clearly dishonest. So i do not wish an answer but i really WANT an answer.
i will alert Windows even on this problem.

Don't go on PTS if you get this upset. @code65536 explained it very well in that thread.

Lauranae

Inaya wrote: »

Lauranae wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/603563/explorer-exe-restart-after-pts-quit/p1

Well thanks but anyway ESO did not answer clearly.

They do what they want with the game, they own it and its their rules. BUT they have absolutly no right to modify MY computer s system.
Actually i need to reboot my system after leaving PTS as something is still continuously reseting in loop my taskbar.

So far i can only imagine that they hide something from us that is clearly dishonest. So i do not wish an answer but i really WANT an answer.
i will alert Windows even on this problem.

Don't go on PTS if you get this upset. @code65536 explained it very well in that thread.

While @code65536 did certaintly answer, i do not understand it. You did probably but i do not. I can clearly see the errors i have mentioned in his posts but i do not understand what did ZOS. What is the bug inital that the fix is meant to correct ?
And will we have to have this when it will go live ?

And if i am good enough with computer, i am sorry but at 70 i am not as up to date as you are

shadyjane62

I deleted the PTS this morning. I am worried about any changes to my computer as I am not computer saavy. I have noticed some changes to my settings but my taskbar not affected.

I did the main story, had trouble playing my main char because of a bug and failed repeatedly at understanding the card game.

There was nothing else I needed to do so thought better of trying to access it again.

code65536

Since I was pinged, I want to clear up a few things...

• No, ESO is not modifying your system. When ESO PTS exits normally, it tells the Windows shell to restart. The shell encompasses things like the task bar, start menu, desktop, etc., and restarting it outside of the usual Windows logout process can have the sorts of undesirable side effects that you are witnessing. These are not changes to your system and are not permanent in any way.
• To fix the side effects, you can log out of Windows and log back in (which is how the shell is normally supposed to be restarted). Rebooting your computer also logs you out and back in, which is why it works, but you don't need to go that far.
• To prevent ESO PTS from restarting the Windows shell and causing these side effects, don't let it exit normally. Killing it in Task Manager will prevent it from telling the shell to restart itself.
• Be sure to let ZOS know your displeasure. The more attention this issue gets, the more likely it will be addressed before it goes Live.

Lauranae

code65536 wrote: »

Since I was pinged, I want to clear up a few things...

• No, ESO is not modifying your system. When ESO PTS exits normally, it tells the Windows shell to restart. The shell encompasses things like the task bar, start menu, desktop, etc., and restarting it outside of the usual Windows logout process can have the sorts of undesirable side effects that you are witnessing. These are not changes to your system and are not permanent in any way.
• To fix the side effects, you can log out of Windows and log back in (which is how the shell is normally supposed to be restarted). Rebooting your computer also logs you out and back in, which is why it works, but you don't need to go that far.
• To prevent ESO PTS from restarting the Windows shell and causing these side effects, don't let it exit normally. Killing it in Task Manager will prevent it from telling the shell to restart itself.
• Be sure to let ZOS know your displeasure. The more attention this issue gets, the more likely it will be addressed before it goes Live.

Thank you very much for making it clear for a gran'ma ) i do a lot with my computer, but there is still things behond my comprehension, just as the ones you explained so well.

At least i can stop to worry BUT yes i am entitled to an answer and a good fix.

FeedbackOnly

Just curious windows 10 or 7 issue? I didn't see this issue on live or pts on 11

Sylvermynx

I haven't seen this on a very very old win 10 upgrade from 7. I'm still running some antique version number - because THIS one works fine, and they're still doing security updates for it.

Once win 11 is a "do it or else", I'm off to linux. I've about had it with microsoft.

shadyjane62

I'm on Win7 and while I did notice some settings changed I never had the reset problem. And Sylver, I'm with you. When Win7 is gone I'm going anywhere else.

Sylvermynx

shadyjane62 wrote: »

I'm on Win7 and while I did notice some settings changed I never had the reset problem. And Sylver, I'm with you. When Win7 is gone I'm going anywhere else.

I've been happy with 10, but there are things I'm not happy about with 11. And I have good friends who've had linux for years, so I have "mentors". Which is good, because at 74, I'm needing a bit more hand-holding than I used to!

shadyjane62

Hah! I'm 71 and I'm not yet brave enough to progress any further than Win7. the only thing I do on this computer is play.

Sylvermynx

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Hah! I'm 71 and I'm not yet brave enough to progress any further than Win7. the only thing I do on this computer is play.

Well.... I have a website design and management business (since 2005) though I've been trimming my client list heavily the last few years (as in, damn it! I NEED TO RETIRE!) so I've had a lot more "schooling" involved over those years: learning html, php, css - and lately learning to use the "new fancy updated" versions of same.

Really, I'm ready to retire - I don't need the money, and while the clients I have left aren't a hassle, still it's something that I have to stay on top of. Add to that a husband much older than I, and his health issues.... Yeah. Time to go on without that sort of thing.

But I do still have the sort of mind that "gloms" onto machines, the internet etc. I could still build a machine if I needed to. I just.... don't want to go there!

FeedbackOnly

Sylvermynx wrote: »

shadyjane62 wrote: »

I'm on Win7 and while I did notice some settings changed I never had the reset problem. And Sylver, I'm with you. When Win7 is gone I'm going anywhere else.

I've been happy with 10, but there are things I'm not happy about with 11. And I have good friends who've had linux for years, so I have "mentors". Which is good, because at 74, I'm needing a bit more hand-holding than I used to!

Start11 makes everything Normal and you get gaming boosts. Windows 11 better resources management and gamer thing actually works on 11

Edit

I found ESO runs noticably better on 11 in loading assets, fps and load screens. 5 sec load screens before update 33

Lauranae

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Just curious windows 10 or 7 issue? I didn't see this issue on live or pts on 11

Win 11 - last upgrade

Lauranae

Sylvermynx wrote: »

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Hah! I'm 71 and I'm not yet brave enough to progress any further than Win7. the only thing I do on this computer is play.

Well.... I have a website design and management business (since 2005) though I've been trimming my client list heavily the last few years (as in, damn it! I NEED TO RETIRE!) so I've had a lot more "schooling" involved over those years: learning html, php, css - and lately learning to use the "new fancy updated" versions of same.

Really, I'm ready to retire - I don't need the money, and while the clients I have left aren't a hassle, still it's something that I have to stay on top of. Add to that a husband much older than I, and his health issues.... Yeah. Time to go on without that sort of thing.

But I do still have the sort of mind that "gloms" onto machines, the internet etc. I could still build a machine if I needed to. I just.... don't want to go there!

I have my own website, and i am able to modify some addons to my taste and needs. I am even the one in charge to keep husband addons up to date (and not using minion). Husband is the one building our pc's and is also programer

But all the deep and complex running of Windows is a bit above my head:)

Sylvermynx

Lauranae wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Hah! I'm 71 and I'm not yet brave enough to progress any further than Win7. the only thing I do on this computer is play.

Well.... I have a website design and management business (since 2005) though I've been trimming my client list heavily the last few years (as in, damn it! I NEED TO RETIRE!) so I've had a lot more "schooling" involved over those years: learning html, php, css - and lately learning to use the "new fancy updated" versions of same.

Really, I'm ready to retire - I don't need the money, and while the clients I have left aren't a hassle, still it's something that I have to stay on top of. Add to that a husband much older than I, and his health issues.... Yeah. Time to go on without that sort of thing.

But I do still have the sort of mind that "gloms" onto machines, the internet etc. I could still build a machine if I needed to. I just.... don't want to go there!

I have my own website, and i am able to modify some addons to my taste and needs. I am even the one in charge to keep husband addons up to date (and not using minion). Husband is the one building our pc's and is also programer

But all the deep and complex running of Windows is a bit above my head:)

Eh, husband has no clue about computers, the internet, etc. so it's a good thing I do.... But why not use minion? It's a lot easier than manually updating. And it runs clean, unlike the Skyrim "mod managers". I still manually install the 150+ mods I use for Skyrim when I start a new setup.

code65536

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Just curious windows 10 or 7 issue? I didn't see this issue on live or pts on 11

Your Windows shell is almost certainly restarting whenever you exit the PTS client.

Whether or not you notice it will vary. In my case, I noticed it only because some of the windows on the task bar changed order and one of my system notification area icons disappeared. These were sufficiently subtle changes that I didn't realize what was going on (I thought I was just mis-remembering the order of the open windows on my task bar and that I must've closed the program that had the icon and just forgot that I had done so) until a week into the PTS.

It's entirely possible that for some people, they won't notice that it's going on. But for others, the disruptions are not so subtle.

Lauranae

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Lauranae wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Hah! I'm 71 and I'm not yet brave enough to progress any further than Win7. the only thing I do on this computer is play.

Well.... I have a website design and management business (since 2005) though I've been trimming my client list heavily the last few years (as in, damn it! I NEED TO RETIRE!) so I've had a lot more "schooling" involved over those years: learning html, php, css - and lately learning to use the "new fancy updated" versions of same.

Really, I'm ready to retire - I don't need the money, and while the clients I have left aren't a hassle, still it's something that I have to stay on top of. Add to that a husband much older than I, and his health issues.... Yeah. Time to go on without that sort of thing.

But I do still have the sort of mind that "gloms" onto machines, the internet etc. I could still build a machine if I needed to. I just.... don't want to go there!

I have my own website, and i am able to modify some addons to my taste and needs. I am even the one in charge to keep husband addons up to date (and not using minion). Husband is the one building our pc's and is also programer

But all the deep and complex running of Windows is a bit above my head:)

Eh, husband has no clue about computers, the internet, etc. so it's a good thing I do.... But why not use minion? It's a lot easier than manually updating. And it runs clean, unlike the Skyrim "mod managers". I still manually install the 150+ mods I use for Skyrim when I start a new setup.

As most of my addons have some little modifs (mainly icons, sound) i rather wont use minion to not lost those. But each time i have used minion i had a problem of version non conform, library missing, and more. I am so used now to do those manually that its became fast and easy.

And i like to know also what are the changes made on the addons.

ApoAlaia

code65536 wrote: »

Since I was pinged, I want to clear up a few things...

• No, ESO is not modifying your system. When ESO PTS exits normally, it tells the Windows shell to restart. The shell encompasses things like the task bar, start menu, desktop, etc., and restarting it outside of the usual Windows logout process can have the sorts of undesirable side effects that you are witnessing. These are not changes to your system and are not permanent in any way.
• To fix the side effects, you can log out of Windows and log back in (which is how the shell is normally supposed to be restarted). Rebooting your computer also logs you out and back in, which is why it works, but you don't need to go that far.
• To prevent ESO PTS from restarting the Windows shell and causing these side effects, don't let it exit normally. Killing it in Task Manager will prevent it from telling the shell to restart itself.
• Be sure to let ZOS know your displeasure. The more attention this issue gets, the more likely it will be addressed before it goes Live.

I appreciate the insight on the matter.

The fiasco with Sony's rootkit distribution was IMO a watershed moment when it comes to how far a corporation is prepared to go - and how much contempt they truly hold their customers in - when it comes to what they perceive as 'protecting its interests'.

pklemming

This is not on. Not even vaguely on. Who the hell through that this was a good idea.

You want to lose a mass of subscribers, let this hit live.

Holmarion19

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hey all, wanted to follow up here. The team is aware of this issue and identified a fix. They are working on this now. We’ll follow up once we have a date for the fix.

This from the above linked thread so it looks like they are addressing concerns. Thanks @Zos_Kevin

Lauranae

As i noticed in the last pts patch notes from today that you corrected the problem, i think its fair from me to thank you for having done it before going live.

Thank you!