Maintenance for the week of November 25:
• [COMPLETE] PC/Mac: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 25, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 7:00AM EST (12:00 UTC)
• Xbox: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 27, 6:00AM EST (11:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EST (14:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 27, 6:00AM EST (11:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EST (14:00 UTC)
• [COMPLETE] PC/Mac: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 25, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 7:00AM EST (12:00 UTC)
• Xbox: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 27, 6:00AM EST (11:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EST (14:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – November 27, 6:00AM EST (11:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EST (14:00 UTC)
Upcoming PC NA Datacenter Hardware Replacement
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Will EU servers also be getting a hardware update sometime in the future?
I expect they want it to be next. It is probably the next oldest in terms of hardware age.
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fgoron2000✭✭✭✭
I believe they stated that it was on the list to be refreshed as soon as possible, but that COVID was at least partially responsible for delaying things in general, even the NA refresh. Apparently it was a matter of the hardware having been delayed. So I don't think they have an actual projection for EU, except that it'll be ASAP.
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SimonThesis✭✭✭✭✭
✭The fact that they refuse to upgrade to servers that will have a noticeable impact on performance speaks volumes. Especially as they are bleeding players and guilds due to the never ending miserable performance in endgame.7 -
fgoron2000✭✭✭✭adirondack wrote: »Thrasher91604 wrote: »
pretty sure the ETA is 2pm Eastern time.
Yup, that's still correct as of 12:30pm ET. And if the time does slip backward significantly, they're usually pretty good at updating the banner's ETA. OP, your best bet is to simply continue to monitor the banner at the top of the forum page, and refresh the page periodically.
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SimonThesis wrote: »The fact that they refuse to upgrade to servers that will have a noticeable impact on performance speaks volumes. Especially as they are bleeding players and guilds due to the never ending miserable performance in endgame.
I don't know what they are actually doing, but I have significant experience with Datacenter moves and upgrades. It's entirely possible that they aren't doing servers, but other infrastructure. Replacing all the switches and firewalls would also take a long time and wouldn't give any end-user noticeable performance gains.
Replacing servers isn't typically done in a single day event, but gradually over time. Routers and switches, on the other hand, pretty much have to be upgraded together.
Have they specified exactly what they are replacing?
It would be hard to replace 2012-era servers with modern hardware without some performance improvement... unless their backend code is mostly single-threaded. Modern computers simply throw more CPUs at the problem. The CPUs are faster due to better designs, but the biggest gain is in multi-threaded apps or running multiple apps so the more cores get used.
Database reads benefit from more cpus, but writes don't as the database is basically locked for any write. Building a database that can be written to by multiple cores at the same time without corruption remains a task we haven't solved yet.
If they are, in fact, replacing EVERY SERVER in the datacenter, that would be one hell of a project and I'm glad I don't have to do it. 8 hours shouldn't be sufficient for that for any data center of any significant size.Edited by pat_augustine on May 3, 2022 4:53PM1 -
Cuddlypuff✭✭✭✭pat_augustine wrote: »SimonThesis wrote: »The fact that they refuse to upgrade to servers that will have a noticeable impact on performance speaks volumes. Especially as they are bleeding players and guilds due to the never ending miserable performance in endgame.
I don't know what they are actually doing, but I have significant experience with Datacenter moves and upgrades. It's entirely possible that they aren't doing servers, but other infrastructure. Replacing all the switches and firewalls would also take a long time and wouldn't give any end-user noticeable performance gains.
Replacing servers isn't typically done in a single day event, but gradually over time. Routers and switches, on the other hand, pretty much have to be upgraded together.
Have they specified exactly what they are replacing?
It would be hard to replace 2012-era servers with modern hardware without some performance improvement... unless their backend code is mostly single-threaded. Modern computers simply throw more CPUs at the problem. The CPUs are faster due to better designs, but the biggest gain is in multi-threaded apps or running multiple apps so the more cores get used.
Database reads benefit from more cpus, but writes don't as the database is basically locked for any write. Building a database that can be written to by multiple cores at the same time without corruption remains a task we haven't solved yet.
If they are, in fact, replacing EVERY SERVER in the datacenter, that would be one hell of a project and I'm glad I don't have to do it. 8 hours shouldn't be sufficient for that for any data center of any significant size.
It's more likely that the new hardware is already imaged and configured and ready for deployment. Just needs to be connected and tested. As far as I've heard, everything is located in a little server room in the Zenimax HQ basement. It's not the same scale as an enterprise datacenter.0 -
xXSilverDragonXx✭✭✭✭✭Cuddlypuff wrote: »
It's more likely that the new hardware is already imaged and configured and ready for deployment. Just needs to be connected and tested. As far as I've heard, everything is located in a little server room in the Zenimax HQ basement. It's not the same scale as an enterprise datacenter.
This for some reason scares me a little. The idea that millions of players have been logging onto a system that's in a little musty basement room? Egads
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cuddlypuff wrote: »pat_augustine wrote: »SimonThesis wrote: »The fact that they refuse to upgrade to servers that will have a noticeable impact on performance speaks volumes. Especially as they are bleeding players and guilds due to the never ending miserable performance in endgame.
I don't know what they are actually doing, but I have significant experience with Datacenter moves and upgrades. It's entirely possible that they aren't doing servers, but other infrastructure. Replacing all the switches and firewalls would also take a long time and wouldn't give any end-user noticeable performance gains.
Replacing servers isn't typically done in a single day event, but gradually over time. Routers and switches, on the other hand, pretty much have to be upgraded together.
Have they specified exactly what they are replacing?
It would be hard to replace 2012-era servers with modern hardware without some performance improvement... unless their backend code is mostly single-threaded. Modern computers simply throw more CPUs at the problem. The CPUs are faster due to better designs, but the biggest gain is in multi-threaded apps or running multiple apps so the more cores get used.
Database reads benefit from more cpus, but writes don't as the database is basically locked for any write. Building a database that can be written to by multiple cores at the same time without corruption remains a task we haven't solved yet.
If they are, in fact, replacing EVERY SERVER in the datacenter, that would be one hell of a project and I'm glad I don't have to do it. 8 hours shouldn't be sufficient for that for any data center of any significant size.
It's more likely that the new hardware is already imaged and configured and ready for deployment. Just needs to be connected and tested. As far as I've heard, everything is located in a little server room in the Zenimax HQ basement. It's not the same scale as an enterprise datacenter.
It's a 386SX Windows 95 box shoved under Matt's desk. He uses it as a footrest in the afternoons while drinking his coffee...
Actually, to the best of what I recall got figured out back in 2014, it is actually in a full fledged commercial data center somewhere in Dallas. Likely not on ZOS property. Leased space. My bet is on Level 3/CenturyLink, but there are plenty of possibilities.
Whether they will relocate it to a Microsoft data center as part of the "hardware replacement" is unknown, but also unlikely.2 -
Parasaurolophus✭✭✭✭✭
✭This maintenance can somehow be related to the fact that many people lost their subscription?PC/EU0 -
chrisfeng✭✭✭Cuddlypuff wrote: »pat_augustine wrote: »SimonThesis wrote: »The fact that they refuse to upgrade to servers that will have a noticeable impact on performance speaks volumes. Especially as they are bleeding players and guilds due to the never ending miserable performance in endgame.
I don't know what they are actually doing, but I have significant experience with Datacenter moves and upgrades. It's entirely possible that they aren't doing servers, but other infrastructure. Replacing all the switches and firewalls would also take a long time and wouldn't give any end-user noticeable performance gains.
Replacing servers isn't typically done in a single day event, but gradually over time. Routers and switches, on the other hand, pretty much have to be upgraded together.
Have they specified exactly what they are replacing?
It would be hard to replace 2012-era servers with modern hardware without some performance improvement... unless their backend code is mostly single-threaded. Modern computers simply throw more CPUs at the problem. The CPUs are faster due to better designs, but the biggest gain is in multi-threaded apps or running multiple apps so the more cores get used.
Database reads benefit from more cpus, but writes don't as the database is basically locked for any write. Building a database that can be written to by multiple cores at the same time without corruption remains a task we haven't solved yet.
If they are, in fact, replacing EVERY SERVER in the datacenter, that would be one hell of a project and I'm glad I don't have to do it. 8 hours shouldn't be sufficient for that for any data center of any significant size.
It's more likely that the new hardware is already imaged and configured and ready for deployment. Just needs to be connected and tested. As far as I've heard, everything is located in a little server room in the Zenimax HQ basement. It's not the same scale as an enterprise datacenter.
It's a 386SX Windows 95 box shoved under Matt's desk. He uses it as a footrest in the afternoons while drinking his coffee...
Actually, to the best of what I recall got figured out back in 2014, it is actually in a full fledged commercial data center somewhere in Dallas. Likely not on ZOS property. Leased space. My bet is on Level 3/CenturyLink, but there are plenty of possibilities.
Whether they will relocate it to a Microsoft data center as part of the "hardware replacement" is unknown, but also unlikely.
Where in Dallas? I would love to driver over and take a look at it.0 -
Xinihp✭✭✭✭✭I hate to be "that guy" but I just have to ask since you mention:ZOS_MattFiror wrote: »This will not result in any appreciable performance gain
Is this exclusive to the server performance improvements that have been promised/talked about for a few years now? If the plan is to eventually upgrade the servers to address performance issues, does buying new hardware of the same tier as the old before it breaks from age mean that there will not be an additional purchase of HIGHER tier hardware to improve performance in the future?
Or is that something that is still planned separate from the hardware you are currently installing (which will not improve performance)?
Please don't read this as sarcastic or whatever. I am trying to be as gentle as possible with my concerns.
@ZOS_MattFiror
EDIT: I only ask because I love ESO and want to see it continue and improve in the future.
Edited by Xinihp on May 3, 2022 6:03PM2 -
Merenwen_812✭✭✭14 more min. Don't see an extension in the banner.... wonder if they still on schedule or just not had time to update the banner..I hate to be "that guy" but I just have to ask.
Is this exclusive to the server performance improvements that have been promised/talked about for a few years now? If the plan is to eventually upgrade the servers to address performance issues, does buying new hardware of the same tier as the old before it breaks from age mean that there will not be an additional purchase of HIGHER tier hardware to improve performance in the future?
Or is that something that is still planned separate from the hardware you are currently installing (which will not improve performance)?
Please don't read this as sarcastic or whatever. I am trying to be as gentle as possible with my concerns.
@ZOS_MattFiror
EDIT: I only ask because I love ESO and want to see it continue and improve in the future.
oh my, I never thought that they were replacing them with the same stuff, I kinda just assumed that they were upgrading ..I better go re-read as I may have misunderstood completely O.oEdited by Merenwen_812 on May 3, 2022 5:53PM1 -
Xinihp✭✭✭✭✭Merenwen_812 wrote: »oh my, I never thought that they were replacing them with the same stuff, I kinda just assumed that they were upgrading ..I better go re-read as I may have misunderstood completely O.o
Yeah, unfortunately he specifically stated it will not improve performance, only reliability (because it isn't 10-years old):ZOS_MattFiror wrote: »This will not result in any appreciable performance gain
Which is what makes me wonder if they are still planning on making additional purchases that DO improve performance in the future.
Edited by Xinihp on May 3, 2022 6:00PM0 -
majulook✭✭✭✭✭
✭[EXTENDED] PC/Mac: NA megaserver for maintenance – May 3, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC) - 6:00PM EDT (22:00 UTC)Si vis pacem, para bellum3 -
deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭Cuddlypuff wrote: »pat_augustine wrote: »SimonThesis wrote: »The fact that they refuse to upgrade to servers that will have a noticeable impact on performance speaks volumes. Especially as they are bleeding players and guilds due to the never ending miserable performance in endgame.
I don't know what they are actually doing, but I have significant experience with Datacenter moves and upgrades. It's entirely possible that they aren't doing servers, but other infrastructure. Replacing all the switches and firewalls would also take a long time and wouldn't give any end-user noticeable performance gains.
Replacing servers isn't typically done in a single day event, but gradually over time. Routers and switches, on the other hand, pretty much have to be upgraded together.
Have they specified exactly what they are replacing?
It would be hard to replace 2012-era servers with modern hardware without some performance improvement... unless their backend code is mostly single-threaded. Modern computers simply throw more CPUs at the problem. The CPUs are faster due to better designs, but the biggest gain is in multi-threaded apps or running multiple apps so the more cores get used.
Database reads benefit from more cpus, but writes don't as the database is basically locked for any write. Building a database that can be written to by multiple cores at the same time without corruption remains a task we haven't solved yet.
If they are, in fact, replacing EVERY SERVER in the datacenter, that would be one hell of a project and I'm glad I don't have to do it. 8 hours shouldn't be sufficient for that for any data center of any significant size.
It's more likely that the new hardware is already imaged and configured and ready for deployment. Just needs to be connected and tested. As far as I've heard, everything is located in a little server room in the Zenimax HQ basement. It's not the same scale as an enterprise datacenter.
It's a 386SX Windows 95 box shoved under Matt's desk. He uses it as a footrest in the afternoons while drinking his coffee...
Actually, to the best of what I recall got figured out back in 2014, it is actually in a full fledged commercial data center somewhere in Dallas. Likely not on ZOS property. Leased space. My bet is on Level 3/CenturyLink, but there are plenty of possibilities.
Whether they will relocate it to a Microsoft data center as part of the "hardware replacement" is unknown, but also unlikely.
DAMN!!! that was my 1st PC as a kid and my 1st game was Elder Scrolls 9 floppy disks!! or 8 i cant rememeber now.. Would still be an awesome game if the graphics weren't duke nukem =p0 -
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kassandra86✭✭Is there a way we can do maintenance on literally any other day? Having it on Monday nights/Tuesday mornings directly interferes with guild trader flips. I understand doing it during the week so that when issues arise there are staff on deck to fix these issues. But imho it's the worst day for any Trading Guild GMs
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chrisfeng✭✭✭Athanasia_Nocnitsa wrote: »
If we pile on this, they may gave us another 1800 coins next week.0 -
MreeBiPolar✭✭✭✭✭wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »
And on daily logins, and on endeavors, and on lots of other daily stuff.0
