Please Stop Calling It "Account-Wide"

FlopsyPrince

Nothing in the game is account wide past our name and password.

It is per server, NA or EU and platform, PC, PS4/5, XBOX.

True Account-Wide features would be on all those variants, not just 1.

MirelaUmbrella

Nevermind, apparently I was miainformed

NeeScrolls

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Nothing in the game is account wide past our name and password..

i hear ya OP , but i guess 'Server Wide Achievements' just doesn't have the same ring to it?
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RisenEclipse

This post is just... confusing... Are you referring to Account Wide Achievements? Because that is what they're called. Even by the mods and devs... I am very confused here.

LesserCircle

Things you buy from the website are account wide too, twich drops too.

wolfie1.0.

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Nothing in the game is account wide past our name and password.

It is per server, NA or EU and platform, PC, PS4/5, XBOX.

True Account-Wide features would be on all those variants, not just 1.

what you are referring to isn't 100% accurate either. that would require cross platform play to be that way. Sony, Xbox, and PC all require separate accounts to access them. I can't login to my Xbox account on PC etc.

Also, for most practical purposes its easier to treat each server login as an "account" as very very little carries over. i believe the only items that do carry over are DLC's, available crowns, and ESO + status. Collectibles and crown items and characters don't. You even have to do a separate two factor auth to login. under most conditions that might as well be a separate account.

which is why most players likely treat it as such.

kargen27

When you say account wide achievements everybody knows exactly what you are talking about. No need to change the name just for the sake of changing the name. The result is the same no matter what the change is called.

Dojohoda

I can't share gear, drops, gold, etc, between my eu and na characters, so I never thought my achievements would leak into the other server. That'd be awful.

barney2525

I can understand using multiple characters. But using multiple servers? Whats the point except to spend a ton more money getting each server equal to the other? Whats so special about different servers that makes having the account on more than one server attractive? You gotta start from ground zero on each one, so why go to all that expense ?

I got one server and Im stickin to it.

Danikat

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Also, for most practical purposes its easier to treat each server login as an "account" as very very little carries over. i believe the only items that do carry over are DLC's, available crowns, and ESO + status. Collectibles and crown items and characters don't. You even have to do a separate two factor auth to login. under most conditions that might as well be a separate account.

The simplest way to remember it is if you buy it outside of the game then it's applied to both servers, if you buy it in the game it's only applied to the server you're logged into at the time.

What it is doesn't actually matter. If someone buys the High Isle Collection which gives them Morrowind, Summerset, Elsweyr, Greymoor and Blackwood too they'll have them on both servers because they bought it outside the game. If someone else buys the High Isle Upgrade and then gets the previous chapters through the crown store they'll only have High Isle on both servers, the others will only be on the server they were logged into when they bought them, even though it's the same content the first person now has on both servers.

Grizzbeorn

RisenEclipse wrote: »

This post is just... confusing... Are you referring to Account Wide Achievements? Because that is what they're called. Even by the mods and devs... I am very confused here.

He's just being overly pedantic.

Kisakee

It is account wide, you just have two accounts with the same name and password on each PC EU and NA that get created for you automatically. If you're getting something unlocked on EU and NA it just got unlocked on both accounts. Simple as that.

redlink1979

barney2525 wrote: »

(...) Whats so special about different servers that makes having the account on more than one server attractive? You gotta start from ground zero on each one, so why go to all that expense ? (...)

Some do it because of friends locations/time zones, some do it because they move to a different country (school/jobs/etc) and some do it for the challenge.

FlopsyPrince

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

RisenEclipse wrote: »

This post is just... confusing... Are you referring to Account Wide Achievements? Because that is what they're called. Even by the mods and devs... I am very confused here.

He's just being overly pedantic.

No, it irks me every time I see it since I had to leave so much behind on my PS4 game and even have differences between EU and NA on the same account. In fact, I had to link my PS4 account to my ESO account, so it is the same in at least that aspect.

Yes, as some of you note, you can consider them different, but that doesn't mean they should be.

It has been a long time since I played WoW (end of Mists), but I recall that items I had on one (such as mounts) would be available on all of them.

And no, it does not require cross-platform play. Just proper use of terms and matching what is claimed throughout the in-game and forum messages.

proprio.meb16_ESO

Better you get used to it, the whole forum and dev calls it Account-Wide and everyone knows what it means... if you want to use your terms no worries, but youll need to explain what you mean every single time.

SpacemanSpiff1

seems pretty account-wide to me

Arunei

That's what the game developers themselves are calling it. You want people to stop calling it what the official term is simply because you don't agree with the phrasing? We have separate accounts, even though a few things are shared across EU and NA (like preorder bonus things and the free houses), they're considered separate accounts because they're on separate servers. Same with console accounts.

It is account-wide, just not the way you want it to mean. This is the wording they've been using since the PTS, they aren't going to change it now. And there's no need to because the way accounts here work, it's correct usage.

RisenEclipse

Well if it bothers you so much, just consider that games do implement their own lingo for things and that your terminology is not correct with the games terminology. Because saying Account Wide IS the correct way to say it. Devs use it. Mods use it. We all use it. It's part of the ESO lingo no matter your opinion on it. It's not going to change no matter how many times you tell everyone to stop.

FlopsyPrince

Arunei wrote: »

That's what the game developers themselves are calling it. You want people to stop calling it what the official term is simply because you don't agree with the phrasing? We have separate accounts, even though a few things are shared across EU and NA (like preorder bonus things and the free houses), they're considered separate accounts because they're on separate servers. Same with console accounts.

It is account-wide, just not the way you want it to mean. This is the wording they've been using since the PTS, they aren't going to change it now. And there's no need to because the way accounts here work, it's correct usage.

I know why they do it. I am just opposed to mislabeling (like US Congressional bills) whenever I have to get hit with it.

I wish this would lead to change, but many companies do things like this on purpose and naming it properly could have implications that are not desired. That doesn't mean the change shouldn't be made, but then many would argue AWA shouldn't have rolled out now as it was, but things still happened.

I am not just griping, just noting I desire accurate naming OR a change to make things truly "account wide", at least on a given platform.

(And anyone who would say it is hard has likely not worked on key parts of large distributed systems, like a major ecommerce site. Keeping databases in sync is a common job there. I am seeing a few recent YouTube videos that also note other games handle this more accurately as well. Interactive immediate syncing can be a challenge, but doing so as a nightly job (for example) is a well known and conquered problem.)

I do not see this as a decision for the developers however, but management. I wish for the game to do well and see this as a part of that, though I am sure several will disagree, as happens with almost anything posted in the forums.

peacenote

This terminology was in place way before the achievement change. I feel as if it mainly began when gear changed from bind to character instead to be bind to account. Then other things were changed or added to be "account-wide" like dyes and motif styles.

Server-wide would mean applying to a specific server, in my opinion. For example: "We implemented a new weather system server-wide." Account is about the player.

I really do think it is more that each server has one account tied to a person, and if you log into multiple servers you are using multiple accounts with the same name.

I think if they were able to make it so everything you earned (achievements, gear, etc.) was available across all of your accounts it might be called "identity-wide." But I think there are technical limitations plus monetary drawbacks as some people have multiple accounts for a reason.

FlopsyPrince

peacenote wrote: »

This terminology was in place way before the achievement change. I feel as if it mainly began when gear changed from bind to character instead to be bind to account. Then other things were changed or added to be "account-wide" like dyes and motif styles.

Server-wide would mean applying to a specific server, in my opinion. For example: "We implemented a new weather system server-wide." Account is about the player.

I really do think it is more that each server has one account tied to a person, and if you log into multiple servers you are using multiple accounts with the same name.

I think if they were able to make it so everything you earned (achievements, gear, etc.) was available across all of your accounts it might be called "identity-wide." But I think there are technical limitations plus monetary drawbacks as some people have multiple accounts for a reason.

Good points, though connecting multiple email-based accounts is not the same as connecting a single email-based account, at least across NA and EU, if not all platforms.

The incentive to do this is low (except for underlying customer annoyance by those impacted) and is not as clear to quantify as consolidating data on a single server (as with AWA) so would go against the grain.

I do wish more MMOs would consider their customers more, but no one really does this well overall and thus the competitive pressure to do so is low. That is the root problem I see. One MMO that did that successfully would put pressure on the others, as competitive pressure does.

Microtransactions, especially ones that have to happen many times, are much easier to promote today in any MMO, unfortunately.

Stanx

Slow news day

Heartrage

If it’s server wide, how come my two pc/na accounts don’t share achievements? ;P

vivisectvib16_ESO

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Nothing in the game is account wide past our name and password.

It is per server, NA or EU and platform, PC, PS4/5, XBOX.

True Account-Wide features would be on all those variants, not just 1.

No. It's account wide. I use my PSN *account* to play ESO. The achievements are account-wide to that account.

spartaxoxo

vivisectvib16_ESO wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Nothing in the game is account wide past our name and password.

It is per server, NA or EU and platform, PC, PS4/5, XBOX.

True Account-Wide features would be on all those variants, not just 1.

No. It's account wide. I use my PSN *account* to play ESO. The achievements are account-wide to that account.

If you were to go on ps eu you wouldn't have any achievements from ps na.

Arunei

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

That's what the game developers themselves are calling it. You want people to stop calling it what the official term is simply because you don't agree with the phrasing? We have separate accounts, even though a few things are shared across EU and NA (like preorder bonus things and the free houses), they're considered separate accounts because they're on separate servers. Same with console accounts.

It is account-wide, just not the way you want it to mean. This is the wording they've been using since the PTS, they aren't going to change it now. And there's no need to because the way accounts here work, it's correct usage.

I know why they do it. I am just opposed to mislabeling (like US Congressional bills) whenever I have to get hit with it.

I wish this would lead to change, but many companies do things like this on purpose and naming it properly could have implications that are not desired. That doesn't mean the change shouldn't be made, but then many would argue AWA shouldn't have rolled out now as it was, but things still happened.

I am not just griping, just noting I desire accurate naming OR a change to make things truly "account wide", at least on a given platform.

(And anyone who would say it is hard has likely not worked on key parts of large distributed systems, like a major ecommerce site. Keeping databases in sync is a common job there. I am seeing a few recent YouTube videos that also note other games handle this more accurately as well. Interactive immediate syncing can be a challenge, but doing so as a nightly job (for example) is a well known and conquered problem.)

I do not see this as a decision for the developers however, but management. I wish for the game to do well and see this as a part of that, though I am sure several will disagree, as happens with almost anything posted in the forums.

It's NOT mislabeling though, the terminology is correct for the way ZOS is using is. There are a very small number of things that are account-wide in the way you want it to be used. Everything else is locked to your specific account:

PC NA
PC EU
Xbox NA
Xbox EU
PS NA
PS EU

Achievements are account-wide because they only count for whichever of those accounts you're playing on. PC NA is considered a separate account from PC EU for literally everything that's account-wide such as Dyes, Houses, Achievements, Titles, and so on. They don't count PC NA/EU as a single account for those things.

The wording is correct for the way they're using it. I've not seen anyone else really aside from some posts here disliking their choice of phrasing, as well, so I don't think there's a large number of people bothered with it. Which means they aren't going to go through the hassle of calling account-wide stuff anything OTHER than account wide.

And none of this is to say you aren't allowed to be irritated by it. I'm saying that even though you're definitely entitled to feel that way, they aren't wrong in their specific usage. All you can really do is call it what you'd prefer and then explain what you mean if someone gets confused.

FlopsyPrince

Arunei wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

That's what the game developers themselves are calling it. You want people to stop calling it what the official term is simply because you don't agree with the phrasing? We have separate accounts, even though a few things are shared across EU and NA (like preorder bonus things and the free houses), they're considered separate accounts because they're on separate servers. Same with console accounts.

It is account-wide, just not the way you want it to mean. This is the wording they've been using since the PTS, they aren't going to change it now. And there's no need to because the way accounts here work, it's correct usage.

I know why they do it. I am just opposed to mislabeling (like US Congressional bills) whenever I have to get hit with it.

I wish this would lead to change, but many companies do things like this on purpose and naming it properly could have implications that are not desired. That doesn't mean the change shouldn't be made, but then many would argue AWA shouldn't have rolled out now as it was, but things still happened.

I am not just griping, just noting I desire accurate naming OR a change to make things truly "account wide", at least on a given platform.

(And anyone who would say it is hard has likely not worked on key parts of large distributed systems, like a major ecommerce site. Keeping databases in sync is a common job there. I am seeing a few recent YouTube videos that also note other games handle this more accurately as well. Interactive immediate syncing can be a challenge, but doing so as a nightly job (for example) is a well known and conquered problem.)

I do not see this as a decision for the developers however, but management. I wish for the game to do well and see this as a part of that, though I am sure several will disagree, as happens with almost anything posted in the forums.

It's NOT mislabeling though, the terminology is correct for the way ZOS is using is. There are a very small number of things that are account-wide in the way you want it to be used. Everything else is locked to your specific account:

PC NA
PC EU
Xbox NA
Xbox EU
PS NA
PS EU

Achievements are account-wide because they only count for whichever of those accounts you're playing on. PC NA is considered a separate account from PC EU for literally everything that's account-wide such as Dyes, Houses, Achievements, Titles, and so on. They don't count PC NA/EU as a single account for those things.

The wording is correct for the way they're using it. I've not seen anyone else really aside from some posts here disliking their choice of phrasing, as well, so I don't think there's a large number of people bothered with it. Which means they aren't going to go through the hassle of calling account-wide stuff anything OTHER than account wide.

And none of this is to say you aren't allowed to be irritated by it. I'm saying that even though you're definitely entitled to feel that way, they aren't wrong in their specific usage. All you can really do is call it what you'd prefer and then explain what you mean if someone gets confused.

So they get to act like the queen in Alice in Wonderland where "words mean exactly what I want them to mean"?

OK.

FlopsyPrince

spartaxoxo wrote: »

vivisectvib16_ESO wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Nothing in the game is account wide past our name and password.

It is per server, NA or EU and platform, PC, PS4/5, XBOX.

True Account-Wide features would be on all those variants, not just 1.

No. It's account wide. I use my PSN *account* to play ESO. The achievements are account-wide to that account.

If you were to go on ps eu you wouldn't have any achievements from ps na.

Exactly!

Heartrage wrote: »

If it’s server wide, how come my two pc/na accounts don’t share achievements? ;P

So perhaps a more complicated term would be appropriate, but it would still be more accurate than "account-wide" that is used now.

vivisectvib16_ESO wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Nothing in the game is account wide past our name and password.

It is per server, NA or EU and platform, PC, PS4/5, XBOX.

True Account-Wide features would be on all those variants, not just 1.

No. It's account wide. I use my PSN *account* to play ESO. The achievements are account-wide to that account.

My accounts are linked, so this idea is not accurate. I had to do that to get the promos from Twitch steams long ago.

Olauron

Arunei wrote: »

There are a very small number of things that are account-wide in the way you want it to be used. Everything else is locked to your specific account:

PC NA
PC EU
Xbox NA
Xbox EU
PS NA
PS EU

Those are not different accounts. Account is something you have access at the top left of the site. The same account is defined in ToS. In short, account is defined by the dyad "service - e-mail" (where different platforms provide different services, while one service provides NA, EU and PTS parts of one account). If the account is terminated or canceled, it is terminated or canceled for the service as a whole, not for some parts of it. Also relevant (you are creating your account outside of the game and you don't have to start a game and log in this or that server, you can have an account without starting a game ever if you wish so).

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

My accounts are linked, so this idea is not accurate. I had to do that to get the promos from Twitch steams long ago.

Linking is not the same as being the one.

ValerraTheProwler

Instructions unclear, got account-wide instead.

RisenEclipse

WoW actually uses the same terminology "account wide" yet you cannot transfer things between NA and EU regional servers. Diablo III is also the exact same thing, and they use the account terminology too.

Your account can be seen via the top by pressing the account button. That account can be used in both EU and NA servers. As well as console if I so choose. The NA and EU servers may as well be two different ESO games. Your account is basically running on two servers. Each account in each server has its own achievements, mounts, houses, ect, being tracked. Your achievements in EU server is tracked by your EU server account side of your account. While the NA server is tracked by the NA account side of your account. This is further split by different platforms. In fact I have literally never seen a game manage to share between NA and EU servers. It is all the same account though, as I do not need to make a new account name, or password, or buy new chapters, or ESO+ if I choose to go to the other. However ESO+ is not shared between platforms, but that should duh level obvious considering each platform has different rules for paying and doing something like ESO+ that would need to be followed.

Using the term ACCOUNT, is very easy for most players to understand (I say most only because the OP does not it seems), and for them to recognize what they are talking about. It is gaming slang across MANY games. Most people understand that you will probably not be able to share what you do on a NA server, with an EU server. In fact using the term account wide is so popular that I wonder if this is a troll thread. Yes ESO is a little more difficult to follow with its different platforms also making moving between platforms and servers a bit more confusing. But your account is the thing you can use to play all of them. Account Wide Achievements are for achievements that can be used for your ONE account with different saved data within each of those servers and platforms. Even WoW uses it for their account wide achievements. We all understand what it means. It is not a dishonesty tactic, or a conspiracy of ZOS, or a dramatic lie. Because we ALL get the lingo involved. I am sorry you are having a hard time with understanding it and that it is confusing for you. But there is no reason to change it. It would be annoying to change it. We all get what it means. This thread is very silly.