account wide map completion?

NeKryXe

I can't even tell anymore what's bugged or what's messed up with the dumb AWA mess...

I just started a new zone on an alt that never entered there and everything that I enjoy to complete is already done. And I don't mean the achievements, I'm aware that the achievements are now gone on my alts. I mean exactly the map completion. I'm not sure if it is just a bug or if not only we got Account Wide Achievements and also Account Wide Map Completion.

Delves, world events and world bosses are things that I like to complete with my alts. Now it's all complete. But quests, that I never do with my alts are open. This is absolutely pathetic.

Is this a bug or they also ruined permanently the map completion?

xXSilverDragonXx

I'm pretty sure this happened to me as well. But right now I'm on a toon that I leveled to 50 days before the update. And she did not show anything completed when I logged into grahtwood with her. I even played around with the set up and can tell which shards I do and do not have that are not in delves. In the delves I cannot tell unless I scroll over. Then it says acquired. I wonder if a relogging a few times updated it? I have destinations and skyshards addons.

Jestir

Delves, world bosses, world events, and public dungeon bosses (not the skill point event) are completed by achievement, which are now account wide, and this Is working as intended

NeKryXe

Bleakz wrote: »

Delves, world bosses, world events, and public dungeon bosses (not the skill point event) are completed by achievement, which are now account wide, and this Is working as intended

So, it's really not only Account Wide Achievements but also Account Wide Map Completion.
I have most maps complete on all my alts, I just noticed now because I was starting Western Skyrim on an alt, and when I entered for the first time everything that I wanted to complete was already marked as complete on map, not only on the achievements. The weird thing is that they marked all the fun as complete but we still need to run around the map for nothing just to activate the wayshrines. Since there's no more objective reason to run around the map again, they could at least made all wayshrines complete too.

This is all very odd. Feels like this was all decided by someone who has never played this game.

NeKryXe

Almost 10 months since the Account Wide Achievements messed up our map completion on our characters and this isn't yet solved.

This should be separated from the achievements, it was a nice and fast way to know what we already opened on the map with all our characters and now it's a useless mess. For example, world bosses or delves, even anchors, that I never reached on a character are marked as complete on the map completion because I already find it on another character.

Please, fix this. I'm not talking about achievements, just the map completion, it needs a fix since AWA release.

Syldras

NeKryXe wrote: »

Almost 10 months since the Account Wide Achievements messed up our map completion on our characters and this isn't yet solved.

I'm afraid they won't "solve" this, as it's not a bug but intended this way. Which annoys me to no end, too, as now I don't have an overview anymore about what the progress of my side characters is, which delves they're still missing, and so on. I know the quests are still available, but how would I find them if I don't know which parts of the map my character already explored or not?! If the map will remain this way, I'd wish they could at least give us a list of all non-repeatable quests of each region - per character - , which updates automatically after a quest is finished, so we can see what's still open - and where it is.

NeKryXe

Syldras wrote: »

NeKryXe wrote: »

Almost 10 months since the Account Wide Achievements messed up our map completion on our characters and this isn't yet solved.

I'm afraid they won't "solve" this, as it's not a bug but intended this way. Which annoys me to no end, too, as now I don't have an overview anymore about what the progress of my side characters is, which delves they're still missing, and so on. I know the quests are still available, but how would I find them if I don't know which parts of the map my character already explored or not?! If the map will remain this way, I'd wish they could at least give us a list of all non-repeatable quests of each region - per character - , which updates automatically after a quest is finished, so we can see what's still open - and where it is.

The funny thing is that they left open the main quest progress, which is exactly the only thing that I don't care at all on my alt characters, and everything that was important to track on my alts they marked as complete who knows why. It's a nonsense. I believe that most players are not interested to complete the main stories on alt characters, but tracking WB, delves and anchors is important.

Syldras

Exactly.

Btw, if anyone reads this and knows if there's an add-on to keep track of all quests that are still open on a character, please post it here. It would really be helpful as long as ZOS themselves don't include something like that into the game.

Elsonso

Syldras wrote: »

Exactly.

Btw, if anyone reads this and knows if there's an add-on to keep track of all quests that are still open on a character, please post it here. It would really be helpful as long as ZOS themselves don't include something like that into the game.

I think there was an add on, but it required info that was stored from before AwA. After AwA, that info no longer exists. Might be wrong. It is just easier to not use alts, or not care, and that is what I do.

TaSheen

Elsonso wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Exactly.

Btw, if anyone reads this and knows if there's an add-on to keep track of all quests that are still open on a character, please post it here. It would really be helpful as long as ZOS themselves don't include something like that into the game.

I think there was an add on, but it required info that was stored from before AwA. After AwA, that info no longer exists. Might be wrong. It is just easier to not use alts, or not care, and that is what I do.

Yes, silvereyes' three: Character Achievements, Character Zone Tracker, and Honestly Earned Achievements. He's no longer playing ESO, but his mods are still on eso-ui:

https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info3322-CharacterAchievements.html
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info3323-CharacterZoneTracker.html
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info3313-Honestly-EarnedAchievements.html

AFAIK, yes, you did have to have them installed before AWA landed.

Araneae6537

I wish all this year’s changes could be rolled back: AWA, nerfs, ability animation changes (flurry and jabs), ToT

It took me a while to be able to ignore these things, and give up on some characters and activities I used to enjoy. Map completion was nice, not a huge deal, but now something I basically ignore.

Syldras

It really is a pity the add-on doesn't work anymore.

Elsonso wrote: »

It is just easier to not use alts, or not care, and that is what I do.

It's irritating for those who have created alts before AwA and have played them regularly, especially for those who might have even bought character slots. If AwA had existed from the beginning, I'd probably not created a single alt, or at least wouldn't have really quested with them, but just used them for storage or crafting.

Elsonso

Syldras wrote: »

It really is a pity the add-on doesn't work anymore.

Elsonso wrote: »

It is just easier to not use alts, or not care, and that is what I do.

It's irritating for those who have created alts before AwA and have played them regularly, especially for those who might have even bought character slots. If AwA had existed from the beginning, I'd probably not created a single alt, or at least wouldn't have really quested with them, but just used them for storage or crafting.

Oh, without a doubt. If someone had warned me back in 2014, I would have definitely played the game differently. Tamriel Once was not a stellar moment in the history of the game.

TaSheen

I would still (and do still) make alts, because I have a "different" sort of game mind: I always know what every alt has done, where I left her or him, and what I was next going to do with that alt, no matter how long it's been since I played her or him. I'm aware that most people don't have that ability, but it's really good for me and it's worked for me for all the decades I've played computer games.

Syldras

TaSheen wrote: »

I would still (and do still) make alts, because I have a "different" sort of game mind: I always know what every alt has done, where I left her or him, and what I was next going to do with that alt, no matter how long it's been since I played her or him. I'm aware that most people don't have that ability, but it's really good for me and it's worked for me for all the decades I've played computer games.

Funny thing I can remember where I last left my main (I'm mainly playing the same character in all TES games) in Morrowind (Geon Auline's house in Godsreach, Mournhold), Oblivion (my Skingrad manor), Skyrim (Tel Mithryn on Solstheim) and ESO (Mournhold), no matter how long I haven't resumed playing. But my side characters? I have no clue.

Myrnhiel

Syldras wrote: »

Exactly.

Btw, if anyone reads this and knows if there's an add-on to keep track of all quests that are still open on a character, please post it here. It would really be helpful as long as ZOS themselves don't include something like that into the game.

I use Enodoc's "Journal Quest Log":

https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1785-JournalQuestLog.html#info

If I remember correctly, I installed it after AWA hit the game.

For me it's working perfectly, showing a whole quest list for every character divided by chapters/DLCs/ dungeons etc. and checking them off after completion seperately for each character. It also recognized all the quests I had already completed before installing this AddOn.

Might be worth a try - perhaps this is what you are looking for.

robwolf666

NeKryXe wrote: »

I can't even tell anymore what's bugged or what's messed up with the dumb AWA mess...

It is a bit daft, and removes some of the replayability incentive. Sure, you can still do them again, but already having them unlocked will just make people get close enough to trigger it and move on. Things like dolmens etc should remain character specific. They can't claim to not be able to do it, plenty of other things are still character specific - what it is now is just one and done.

Syldras

Myrnhiel wrote: »

I use Enodoc's "Journal Quest Log":
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1785-JournalQuestLog.html#info

Thank you so much, I'll have a look!

CGPsaint

The way that AwA was implemented really served no purpose other than to upset people who play more than one character.

majulook

Bleakz wrote: »

Delves, world bosses, world events, and public dungeon bosses (not the skill point event) are completed by achievement, which are now account wide, and this Is working as intended

Which just may have been the worst thing ZOS did to the game, as it makes replaying content on different charterers a horrible experience.

Darkstorne

It's hugely frustrating, and I wanted AWA. I didn't want account-wide quest and map completion. That's clearly a terrible trade-off, and I think if they'd been open about this being a consequence of implementation then most AWA advocates like myself would have said "Oh, in that case, no thanks."

Many of us wanted it because we're huge fans of alts, and playing different parts of the game with different characters. AWA should have made things better for players who enjoy alts, but it made things much worse.

Even quest completion consequences get caught up in it. Characters you've never met before will tell you how grateful they were for your help that last time you met, and you're like "...Oh yeah, I did that quest on a different character." One of the consequences of this that was most widely reported at the time was a Blackwood questline that treats your character as a Dark Brotherhood member if you have the achievement for joining the guild, which means if you ever joined the guild on even one character then all of your characters now and forever are seen as DB members.

Imagine starting a new Skyrim character and instantly every dungeon is marked as completed on the map, and you're recognized as the grandmaster of every single guild in the game. That's clearly not a good implementation of AWA...

Lumsdenml

CGPsaint wrote: »

The way that AwA was implemented really served no purpose other than to upset people who play more than one character.

That's not true. I love AWA because I can now make an alt and it doesn't feel like my time was wasted. It now allows me to get an achievement with whatever character I want, not just my main. I do hope there is a solution for the people who want to track them by character, but a lot of people wanted this.

peacenote

Syldras wrote: »

NeKryXe wrote: »

Almost 10 months since the Account Wide Achievements messed up our map completion on our characters and this isn't yet solved.

I'm afraid they won't "solve" this, as it's not a bug but intended this way. Which annoys me to no end, too, as now I don't have an overview anymore about what the progress of my side characters is, which delves they're still missing, and so on. I know the quests are still available, but how would I find them if I don't know which parts of the map my character already explored or not?! If the map will remain this way, I'd wish they could at least give us a list of all non-repeatable quests of each region - per character - , which updates automatically after a quest is finished, so we can see what's still open - and where it is.

I disagree with the "intended this way" part. To my knowledge, ZOS has not specifically commented on the topic of this thread WRT to AwA, about whether it was intended or collateral damage and if it's on the list to be fixed in the future. There was a sticky that got unstickied but with no official resolution or comment.

Definitely as a community we should keep asking about it. I know it bothers me, still, a lot.

Elsonso

peacenote wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

NeKryXe wrote: »

Almost 10 months since the Account Wide Achievements messed up our map completion on our characters and this isn't yet solved.

I'm afraid they won't "solve" this, as it's not a bug but intended this way. Which annoys me to no end, too, as now I don't have an overview anymore about what the progress of my side characters is, which delves they're still missing, and so on. I know the quests are still available, but how would I find them if I don't know which parts of the map my character already explored or not?! If the map will remain this way, I'd wish they could at least give us a list of all non-repeatable quests of each region - per character - , which updates automatically after a quest is finished, so we can see what's still open - and where it is.

I disagree with the "intended this way" part. To my knowledge, ZOS has not specifically commented on the topic of this thread WRT to AwA, about whether it was intended or collateral damage and if it's on the list to be fixed in the future. There was a sticky that got unstickied but with no official resolution or comment.

Definitely as a community we should keep asking about it. I know it bothers me, still, a lot.

You are implying that ZOS has not clearly communicated the intent and extent of a feature added to the game. [Edited for bashing, avoiding profanity filter, baiting, and promoting conspiracy theories]

Yes, it bothers me, too...

Syldras

Myrnhiel wrote: »

I use Enodoc's "Journal Quest Log":
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1785-JournalQuestLog.html#info

I just wanted to say thank you - I tried it and it works fine! I even found 2 quests I must have missed in zones that I thought I had completed (one each in Murkmire and Craglorn, other than that, I seem to have found all).

everseeing_njpreub18_ESO

I only have 1 character i play, so I'm not arguing with any Alt players.

When i read these map completed, dungeon completed, etc. remarks does that somehow lock you from them? Can't you still run them and enjoy them, you just don't get the little popup at the end right? I have run the same dungeons, delves, etc over and over, nothing changed from the first time.

TaSheen

Those who have a problem with this are those who used achievements and map completion to track progress on alts.

Syldras

No content is locked after it was already completed on a different character (that would be even worse). The problem is that it shows on the map as already completed, so there's no way to see where that character has already been and where not.

Elsonso

Syldras wrote: »

No content is locked after it was already completed on a different character (that would be even worse). The problem is that it shows on the map as already completed, so there's no way to see where that character has already been and where not.

Maybe someday ZOS will add character-specific achievements to the game.

SpiritKitten

My biggest problem is that furnishings locked behind quest completions are not account-wide on the achievement vendor.

Myrnhiel

Syldras wrote: »

I just wanted to say thank you - I tried it and it works fine! I even found 2 quests I must have missed in zones that I thought I had completed (one each in Murkmire and Craglorn, other than that, I seem to have found all).

Glad to read it's working as intended.