Weighted RNG in U32

cyberjanet

So when the update launches, Arx Corinium will crash under the weight of everyone going to collect their medusa fire staves?

bruta

cyberjanet wrote: »

So when the update launches, Arx Corinium will crash under the weight of everyone going to collect their medusa fire staves?

etchedpixels

cyberjanet wrote: »

So when the update launches, Arx Corinium will crash under the weight of everyone going to collect their medusa fire staves?

No - because Medusa will no longer be useful for most builds from that day due to the other PTS changes. The win by nothing but crit stacking meta is on the way out (thankfully). More likely everyone will be running things like Frostvault, and unless they fix the problem with Bahsei now being usable on all the stam toons (where you can keep your magicka artificially low), Rockgrove.

So they day you get your inferno staff will be the day you no longer need it.

JJOtterBear

i am very excited for this!

daemondamian

etchedpixels wrote: »

cyberjanet wrote: »

So when the update launches, Arx Corinium will crash under the weight of everyone going to collect their medusa fire staves?

No - because Medusa will no longer be useful for most builds from that day due to the other PTS changes. The win by nothing but crit stacking meta is on the way out (thankfully). More likely everyone will be running things like Frostvault, and unless they fix the problem with Bahsei now being usable on all the stam toons (where you can keep your magicka artificially low), Rockgrove.

So they day you get your inferno staff will be the day you no longer need it.

Any ideas on what might replace the crit stacking meta?

propertyOfUndefined

It’s definitely something to look forward to. My understanding is that this doesn’t apply to undaunted shoulder pieces though, which is unfortunate as that’s what I’ve been struggling with the past week.

Ippokrates

daemondamian wrote: »

etchedpixels wrote: »

cyberjanet wrote: »

So when the update launches, Arx Corinium will crash under the weight of everyone going to collect their medusa fire staves?

No - because Medusa will no longer be useful for most builds from that day due to the other PTS changes. The win by nothing but crit stacking meta is on the way out (thankfully). More likely everyone will be running things like Frostvault, and unless they fix the problem with Bahsei now being usable on all the stam toons (where you can keep your magicka artificially low), Rockgrove.

So they day you get your inferno staff will be the day you no longer need it.

Any ideas on what might replace the crit stacking meta?

Nothing. Crit stacking will no longer be as good dps source as before. You will need to transfer some part of sets and CP to dmg.

DimTh

This is the disaster of ESO, soon or later the trials will be empty, really, give me a reason as you
have all the pieces of the sets to go again there in..... to do what?

The biggest mistake ever which ZOS do!!!!

NettleCarrier

DimTh wrote: »

This is the disaster of ESO, soon or later the trials will be empty, really, give me a reason as you
have all the pieces of the sets to go again there in..... to do what?

The biggest mistake ever which ZOS do!!!!

It will still take a considerable number of runs to get everything and at least at first MORE people might be doing trials in order to polish up their collections. I stopped doing normals myself unless my guild needs them (we do at least one a week) and I don't think my participation in any vet trial is going to change because of the sets. By the time I finish up perfected items I'll be long sick of the trials available.

fizl101

DimTh wrote: »

This is the disaster of ESO, soon or later the trials will be empty, really, give me a reason as you
have all the pieces of the sets to go again there in..... to do what?

The biggest mistake ever which ZOS do!!!!

Do you only do trials to get gear? I do several a week purely for the fun of doing trials.

Ippokrates

DimTh wrote: »

This is the disaster of ESO, soon or later the trials will be empty, really, give me a reason as you
have all the pieces of the sets to go again there in..... to do what?

The biggest mistake ever which ZOS do!!!!

Well, if you doing trials only for the equipment, you are doing it for a wrong reason. Trial as name indicate, should be a challenge to your skills, not the grinding abilities.

Coatmagic

Yay.

And to the OP on about people will stop running content once they have everything, they won't.
Believe it or not, there's a whole group of folks in this game who gather to get all the achievs done

dk_dunkirk

Love this. I'm going to run the crap out of some zone dungeons.

I wish it would count for fish too. I've spent several hours trying to catch the last fish in Coldharbour.

Tommy_The_Gun

cyberjanet wrote: »

So when the update launches, Arx Corinium will crash under the weight of everyone going to collect their medusa fire staves?

Tbh. I had no interest in this set... but it will be a decent stamina set now too.... So I guess I will farm it too

Edit:
Btw. There is something I fear. Since RNG will be for the most part gone from the set farming, and we will be guaranteed to gear set we want after X amount of runs... this still does not apply to treasure chests & reward boxes. For example - a lot of Cyrodiil sets and some Hew's Bane sets are exclusive to reward boxes - and those will still be RNG based.

I simply fear that it may encourage ZOS to put bests sets in quest reward boxes...

AuraStorm43

Ippokrates wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

etchedpixels wrote: »

cyberjanet wrote: »

So when the update launches, Arx Corinium will crash under the weight of everyone going to collect their medusa fire staves?

No - because Medusa will no longer be useful for most builds from that day due to the other PTS changes. The win by nothing but crit stacking meta is on the way out (thankfully). More likely everyone will be running things like Frostvault, and unless they fix the problem with Bahsei now being usable on all the stam toons (where you can keep your magicka artificially low), Rockgrove.

So they day you get your inferno staff will be the day you no longer need it.

Any ideas on what might replace the crit stacking meta?

Nothing. Crit stacking will no longer be as good dps source as before. You will need to transfer some part of sets and CP to dmg.

Crit stacking will still be fine outside of super optimized raids

alanmatillab16_ESO

colossalvoids wrote: »

So the last nail into RNG complaints with this one, drops would be adjusted according to what you already collected so no more 10 resto staves in a row for some of ya. Just making sure people are informed about something good nowadays.

yeah great, it drops a set piece CP160 with "training" trait.

"welp, you have that piece now so you don't need any more of them right?"

Vylaera

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

So the last nail into RNG complaints with this one, drops would be adjusted according to what you already collected so no more 10 resto staves in a row for some of ya. Just making sure people are informed about something good nowadays.

yeah great, it drops a set piece CP160 with "training" trait.

"welp, you have that piece now so you don't need any more of them right?"

So you transmute or reconstruct it?

Anyone on PC NA up for some vDSA runs when the server goes live 1000000000000 hours from now? I still need my perfected Master's Ice Staff.

ectoplasmicninja

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

yeah great, it drops a set piece CP160 with "training" trait.

"welp, you have that piece now so you don't need any more of them right?"

Once you've gotten everything in a set the RNG reverts back to random, so it might take more farming to get a piece in your desired trait but in the process you're filling in your missing pieces which will decrease the reconstruction cost. Or transmute it, although that costs more crystals.

I don't know about you, but I am absolutely overflowing with transmute crystals. I'm almost at cap (1000, because I have ESO+) and I also have an entire 60 slot coffer in my house full of reconstructed Hats of Frostbite, which would give me another 1500 crystals if I deconstructed them. I run random dungeons sometimes but don't grind them and I don't PvP outside of Midyear Mayhem yet crystals have still proven incredibly abundant.

Muttsmutt

SirAndy wrote: »

Am i the only one who immediately thought "great, they're prepping us for a upcoming gear cap increase"?

oh my, i hope you're right.

i would not mind at all. a gear cap increase is way overdue.
with a less frustrating grind- where you can reasonably see the end in sight- it might even be fun to grind for new gear.

congrats ZOS, you surprised everybody by doing what no other MMO has dared.
you're alright in my book now.

alright enough that i returned from a break i thought was final.
have some positive feedback! keep implementing QoL, players will be happy.
happy players have open wallets.

Feaky

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

cyberjanet wrote: »

So when the update launches, Arx Corinium will crash under the weight of everyone going to collect their medusa fire staves?

Tbh. I had no interest in this set... but it will be a decent stamina set now too.... So I guess I will farm it too

But stamina toons already had Tzogvin's which gives penetration, minor force, potentially more crit, and its medium armor not heavy. I guess if you don't want to worry about the procing the stacks, you can use Medusa. Although Tzogvin's uptime is pretty high.

DarkPicture

anyone has issue with not drops of missing item?

I did 3 runs of FG and only 1 item i got others 2 were already in my sticker

Wolf_Eye

DarkPicture wrote: »

anyone has issue with not drops of missing item?

I did 3 runs of FG and only 1 item i got others 2 were already in my sticker

The weighted RNG only offers a BETTER chance of getting something you don't already have. It does not GUARANTEE you will get something you don't already have.

In other words, there's still RNG, it's just friendlier towards you.

DarkPicture

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

DarkPicture wrote: »

anyone has issue with not drops of missing item?

I did 3 runs of FG and only 1 item i got others 2 were already in my sticker

The weighted RNG only offers a BETTER chance of getting something you don't already have. It does not GUARANTEE you will get something you don't already have.

In other words, there's still RNG, it's just friendlier towards you.

no, they said its guarantee and when u collect all set it will be reset

Pevey

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

DarkPicture wrote: »

anyone has issue with not drops of missing item?

I did 3 runs of FG and only 1 item i got others 2 were already in my sticker

The weighted RNG only offers a BETTER chance of getting something you don't already have. It does not GUARANTEE you will get something you don't already have.

In other words, there's still RNG, it's just friendlier towards you.

Actually, this is not true. The "weighting" is 100% on something that is not in your sticker book.

DarkPicture

I found solution, u cant do same dung in a row otherwise guarantee doesnt work. So u need to swaping atleast 2 dungs alternately

Wolf_Eye

Pevey wrote: »

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

DarkPicture wrote: »

anyone has issue with not drops of missing item?

I did 3 runs of FG and only 1 item i got others 2 were already in my sticker

The weighted RNG only offers a BETTER chance of getting something you don't already have. It does not GUARANTEE you will get something you don't already have.

In other words, there's still RNG, it's just friendlier towards you.

Actually, this is not true. The "weighting" is 100% on something that is not in your sticker book.

Really? I apologize. I just read the patch notes:

"Bosses and reward chests from arenas and incursions will now preferentially drop set items that have not yet been unlocked in your Item Set Collections!

Most bosses in the game, along with reward chests from arenas and incursions, will now preferentially drop set items that have not yet been unlocked in your Item Set Collections. These sources will only drop the set items that they can normally drop; the ways to acquire a particular item are unchanged, but it should be much easier to find items that you have not yet unlocked.

Set items looted from treasure chests, containers, or from non-boss monsters are generally not curated in this manner."


To me, "preferential" doesn't sound like it's guaranteed, just more likely. The definition of preference is that you show a bias towards one, but do not necessarily neglect the other.

But I could be wrong and they messed up the patch and meant for it to be 100% guaranteed. I do know that it should not affect treasure chests.

EF321

DarkPicture wrote: »

anyone has issue with not drops of missing item?

I did 3 runs of FG and only 1 item i got others 2 were already in my sticker

All the bosses still drop only their respective item types they used to drop, i.e. minor bosses only drop boots and belts, big non-final bosses chest, legs and whatever else, and only final boss drops jewelry or weapons.

Now here is a thing. Even with curated drops, last boss first rolls Jewelry or Weapons, regardless if you have all the jewelry collected, and only then looks for items you are missing in that category.

So fixed numbers of runs was a lie. You might still get 10 rings in a row and no uncollected weapons.

No information about named gear pieces yet, if they can overwrite any priorities etc.

RodneyRegis

Had 4 body pieces missing in Blackheart Haven.

Just got bone pirate belt and knight-errant gauntlets in a normal run, already had them. Still missing 2 body pieces.

RevJJ

Pevey wrote: »

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

DarkPicture wrote: »

anyone has issue with not drops of missing item?

I did 3 runs of FG and only 1 item i got others 2 were already in my sticker

The weighted RNG only offers a BETTER chance of getting something you don't already have. It does not GUARANTEE you will get something you don't already have.

In other words, there's still RNG, it's just friendlier towards you.

Actually, this is not true. The "weighting" is 100% on something that is not in your sticker book.

In that case it doesn’t seem to be working properly. Ran through the public dungeon in Deshaan on one account and indeed only got items that were missing from stickerbook.

Ran through it on another account with more open spots in stickerbook and got an item I already had.

EF321

RevJJ wrote: »

Pevey wrote: »

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

DarkPicture wrote: »

anyone has issue with not drops of missing item?

I did 3 runs of FG and only 1 item i got others 2 were already in my sticker

The weighted RNG only offers a BETTER chance of getting something you don't already have. It does not GUARANTEE you will get something you don't already have.

In other words, there's still RNG, it's just friendlier towards you.

Actually, this is not true. The "weighting" is 100% on something that is not in your sticker book.

In that case it doesn’t seem to be working properly. Ran through the public dungeon in Deshaan on one account and indeed only got items that were missing from stickerbook.

Ran through it on another account with more open spots in stickerbook and got an item I already had.

It should not be working in PDs at all if I recall correctly. Only group dungeons, trials, arenas.