Proc are becoming a problem

neferpitou73

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Cut Dark Convergance damage by 75%

Fixed it

TequilaFire

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

If the PvP community wasn't obsessed with winning at any cost, these sets wouldn't even be slotted.

Instead, PvP has become a toxic cesspool where all that matters is winning, and that usually entails finding broken things and keeping quiet about it.

Really a sad state of affairs...Now excuse me while I go and do some PvE.

I wonder if players have actually found PvP fun these last 3 years of patches. Hmm...

The whole point of most games is to win.
The major problem is they shouldn't make OP sets so easy to get, should take more effort and time to earn.
PS4 NA was saturated in a single day.

Gadget4

Another day of Cyrodiil being ruined ... players purely target opponents on walls & upper keep floors now, & Dark Convergence continues to pull players to the floor & off siege

Dark Convergence needs disabling, not tomorrow or the next day, it needs disabling today, & then it needs to be toned down & tested properly before being reintroduced

Hrothgar, survivable
Plaguebreak, survivable
Dark Convergence, not survivable in the majority of situations that it’s being used .. I want to say abused, but folks on these forums tend to come out in hives when such a term is used, even when it’s with merit

Jameson18

Sluggy wrote: »

After sitting with the changes for a bit now, this whole patch just feels off to me. Can't put my finger on it but stuff isn't working that worked fine just before the patch. Of course they changed some numbers around in Battle Spirit, added a few new CP, and obviously the new sets but I really just can't get anything to work like before even when the conditions seem like they shouldn't be that different. Skill are firing at weird times, skills that have no casts times... actually have cast times now, I'm being hit with targeted melee skills through walls far more than before, I have the extremely odd delay after EVERY OTHER light attack, especially when playing with ranged weapons. Most of the defensive sets and skills I'm using actually seem to increase the damage I take. I'm actually to the point where I don't run ANY defense at all and I seem to live a lot longer. It's just really not fun anymore - even when I'm deliberately just roaming around without the intent of ever winning, just the feel of the game itself is.. I dunno, annoying? Frustrating? Something bad, that's all I can say for sure.

This.

The more i've played post patch, the more I notice. At least on console. The entire gameplay is just "off". Something's up.

Edit: Even when trying to PvE, which I do pretty much just as much of. It just doesn't feel right. Across most toons even. Combat is clunkier. Performance or animations or what have you are definitely a thing. Sustain is different, and it's not just from a measly 50 or so reduction in rejuv.

Something. Is. Going. on.

Sluggy

And once again, it's the balanced builds that loose out. Trying to run a compromise of damage, sustain, survival, and healing? Too bad! Just tank the eff up and let the sets do all of the work. I'm running across guys out there that take maybe 100-200 damage from my hardest hits and they aren't even blocking! And don't think that stops them from instantly healing to full or blowing up another player the second their sets are ready for it.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

Guys..we all know it will be nerfed. It's the same pattern that repeats itself.
What you should really be asking/saying is: 'Stop producing these sets, period'

Jaraal

Gadget4 wrote: »

Dark Convergence needs disabling, not tomorrow or the next day, it needs disabling today, & then it needs to be toned down & tested properly before being reintroduced

And yet ZOS continues to remain silent, as if they don't even know there are problems..... [snip]


Did anyone really expect any different?
[edited for bashing]

LarsS

There is Ravenwatch, just saying.

Idinuse

Vevvev wrote: »

30k Hrothgar.... So it hits for 54k assuming no resistances,which means the target had a combined total of... 207k resistances?!? There had to be more than one instance of that damage as there is no way that's possible.

This is actually similar to numbers I end up with when quietly doing the math on damage received from some players.

AuraStorm43

jerj6925 wrote: »

Here is why things like procs should be remvoed from the game for now. The servers can not support the function!!!! If the servers the ZOS is using could handle the function then fine but as it is they cant. Dark Convergence for example, plenty of time to roll out of that proc... if the servers are not lagging but 95% of the time I die to this I never knew it was up until I look to see what killed me.

If the servers cant handle the function then it should not be in the game.

You can keep blaming proc sets for server woes but no proc was still laggy as hell, and i’m sorry but i find the lack of build diversity in no proc boring

Bjond

IMHO, ESO shot itself in the foot the first time they decided to add a proc set to the game -- especially sets that alter or greatly elevate skills. If you take a look at the games where PvP is a big draw, there are no or v.few proc sets (Aion, Tera, SWTOR for the ones I've played). It makes balance a nightmare for the devs because they introduce micro-niche builds each of which requires a special counter-build.

Balance is much easier if you follow the well-trodden path:

1. No ability-altering sets.
2. Balance player skills ONLY for PvP balance (ignore PvE here)
3. Balance PvE targets to player skills for PvE balance

As soon as you upset that 123 sequence, you're going to create ever larger problems for yourself. Follow it and you end up with both balanced PvP and balanced PvE. The first step is likely the most important, too, because every ability-altering set you add compounds all future balancing efforts. It's not just a little more work adding one set. It's a little more work for every change you add from that point on FOREVER.

As a dev, don't let player desire for new gear entice you into creating problems down the road. People don't play MMOs to get gear. They get gear in MMOs to have fun playing. Focus on the play, not the gear.

Red99

Gadget4 wrote: »

Another day of Cyrodiil being ruined ... players purely target opponents on walls & upper keep floors now, & Dark Convergence continues to pull players to the floor & off siege

Dark Convergence needs disabling, not tomorrow or the next day, it needs disabling today, & then it needs to be toned down & tested properly before being reintroduced

Hrothgar, survivable
Plaguebreak, survivable
Dark Convergence, not survivable in the majority of situations that it’s being used .. I want to say abused, but folks on these forums tend to come out in hives when such a term is used, even when it’s with merit

Hrothgar is by far more deadly than dc when u re close to others players it will hit from 10 to 20k dmg, only thing annoying about dc is the pull but u can block the dmg or roll doge but with hrotgar no..1 stun and u re almost dead when u re close to other players

alterfenixeb17_ESO

LarsS wrote: »

There is Ravenwatch, just saying.

While I am playing there myself (EU) I still can see why some people that do not enjoy proc sets may not be there:

- for some alliance lock is more important
- some players would still like to utilize CPs
- Pact players would have much harder times to win a campaign too...

Especially the third one may be a game breaker for some:-)

ebix_

tbh for me the set is not scary , the scary thing is someone is in that company throwing this stupid ideas after another .. this set will get nerfed sooner or later but if that person is still there we never gonna have a good patch.

markulrich1966

someone wrote, he died almost every second time from the DC set. Checked it myself yesterday in cyro with my standard PVE setup (light/divines), for me it was less than 10%. I have the impression, there is actually a lot of exagerration, because this set is "emotional". It stuns you, and this makes you feel helpless. But you also have stun from several skills, so it is nothing new.
It also is not "meta" because everybody uses it. It is used by many players, because it is new, and has a new feature (pull), and promises to help against zergs. So people are curious to try it out.

A different topic are the general bugs in cyro. I had cases where you did not see the red circle indicating danger - but I had this too with the circles from ballistae. Got roasted several times by cold fire as no marker was visible at all. This is an issue of general bugs and lag, not of a set. I did much more often die by bombers than by this set.

In PVE, I quite like it. Triggered by a DK tank it gives at least some decent damage to my tank when I solo some content, and on sorcerers it is a nice AOE skill triggered by elemental blockade or the daedric mines.

peacenote

Went to Cyro for the first time in a while this past weekend (I have been busy). Dark Convergence definitely killed me quite a few times, but what's horrible is the pull. And half the time you can't at all tell where it's coming from so it's a new level of frustration. It felt like I was playing against ghosts. Stun me, fine. Do a bunch of damage, fine. Constantly interrupt my navigation without even being in my sights? Not cool.

ESO_Nightingale

peacenote wrote: »

Went to Cyro for the first time in a while this past weekend (I have been busy). Dark Convergence definitely killed me quite a few times, but what's horrible is the pull. And half the time you can't at all tell where it's coming from so it's a new level of frustration. It felt like I was playing against ghosts. Stun me, fine. Do a bunch of damage, fine. Constantly interrupt my navigation without even being in my sights? Not cool.

yeah it's not the damage imo that is the worst part. it's the pull that grabs you from halfway across the universe. doesn't matter, zergs will just throw several of these at you anyway. super obnoxious set.

Aldoss

Hrothgar is easily the most dangerous of all of these new proc sets, when considering its use in all PvP avenues.

DC is typically survivable (nearly 100% survivable in my recent experience in BGs), but frustrating, EXCEPT when combined with Cyro lag. This set 100% cannot be allowed in Cyro. The positional desyncs cause you to get pulled in from well past its furthest pull range, and the lag involved in breaking free and subsequently roll dodging or otherwise using any other means of escape almost guarantees your death from the massive bomb damage.

I wouldn't feel so strongly about getting this set completely removed if it weren't for how broken it becomes in laggy Cyro. ZOS has a proven track record of not caring to fix Cyro lag, thus, I'm 100% in favor of this set being removed entirely from the game.

EdmondDontes

TequilaFire wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

If the PvP community wasn't obsessed with winning at any cost, these sets wouldn't even be slotted.

Instead, PvP has become a toxic cesspool where all that matters is winning, and that usually entails finding broken things and keeping quiet about it.

Really a sad state of affairs...Now excuse me while I go and do some PvE.

I wonder if players have actually found PvP fun these last 3 years of patches. Hmm...

The whole point of most games is to win.
The major problem is they shouldn't make OP sets so easy to get, should take more effort and time to earn.
PS4 NA was saturated in a single day.

A set that does all the things Dark Convergence does shouldn't exist. Period. They gave up on any kind of set balance what so ever and started handing out tactical nuclear devices instead.

dotme

Love how single-target Snipe was once so "OP" it had to be nerfed into uselessness, but you can AOE one-shot a whole group of people with proc sets now. Awesome stuff.

Jaraal

EdmondDontes wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

If the PvP community wasn't obsessed with winning at any cost, these sets wouldn't even be slotted.

Instead, PvP has become a toxic cesspool where all that matters is winning, and that usually entails finding broken things and keeping quiet about it.

Really a sad state of affairs...Now excuse me while I go and do some PvE.

I wonder if players have actually found PvP fun these last 3 years of patches. Hmm...

The whole point of most games is to win.
The major problem is they shouldn't make OP sets so easy to get, should take more effort and time to earn.
PS4 NA was saturated in a single day.

A set that does all the things Dark Convergence does shouldn't exist. Period. They gave up on any kind of set balance what so ever and started handing out tactical nuclear devices instead.

I wonder how that "We want to increase the TTK" goal is working out for them?