Nightblade still too strong in this patch

Patro

Hi! This is what just happened to me in Imperial City. I was playing with my magicka sorcerer with 21k physical resistance, minor protection and in addition of course to the damage reductions by CP. Nightblade needs more nerf!

Sanctum74

Or you could just block since they are both easily avoidable skills. Raising your resistance would also help, but nothing in the recap suggests a nerf especially when there are proc sets doing twice the damage.

rbfrgsp

Well done posting on public that you actually got hit by an assassins scourge.

Patro

I thought it was obvious that I was ganked.

Patro

rbfrgsp wrote: »

Well done posting on public that you actually got hit by an assassins scourge.

Assassin's Scourge or not it's insane to do 26k damage without proc sets.

Stx

After carefully inspecting your death recap I have come to the conclusion that heavy attacks need to be buffed!

rbfrgsp

Patro wrote: »

rbfrgsp wrote: »

Well done posting on public that you actually got hit by an assassins scourge.

Assassin's Scourge or not it's insane to do 26k damage without proc sets.

Tip: play with headphones and don't listen to music while in PvP. Both incap and bow proc have massive audio tells that give you an easy 0.5 seconds window to dodge roll for each. You should never need to eat both these hits unless you're completely out of stamina already.

Sanctum74

Patro wrote: »

rbfrgsp wrote: »

Well done posting on public that you actually got hit by an assassins scourge.

Assassin's Scourge or not it's insane to do 26k damage without proc sets.

That’s the way it should be, if you build for damage then you should do a lot of damage especially against squishy targets. On the flip side if you don’t build for damage and just use proc sets then you shouldn’t do a lot of damage.

Patro

I play pvp since beta and i know every aspect of this game. You can trust me if I tell you that in that half second I was already dead and I was doing the screen at the death recap.

Jackey

Patro wrote: »

I play pvp since beta and i know every aspect of this game. You can trust me if I tell you that in that half second I was already dead and I was doing the screen at the death recap.

Well, then it was just a desync. It happens a lot with gankblades.
There's no counter when every ability hit you at once. If the game worked properly you'd be able to block or dodge in time.

moo_2021

Patro wrote: »

I thought it was obvious that I was ganked.

If they nerf nb for IC, nb would become weaker in bg.

nb needs to time burst like that and gank is irrelevant in bg since objective requires everyone to join certain fights or holds ground somewhere.

When they can't pick fight they're no better than other classes.

Raeyleigh

On my nightblade ganker i can oneshot someone from stealth with no time for counterplay from up to 40k hp. An assasins scourge isnt even needed. How? Balorgh and Actuity. Both deserving a fat nerf.
But ive seen even regular stamblades hitting a 13k incap into a 17k bow that cant be avoided because of breakfree delays and server desyncs.

Fair and balanced as all things should be.

Stx

Incap and merciless both are on the global right? There's no way you can get hit with both at the same time unless the game bugs out.

Not saying nightblades aren't OP, you see tons of them everywhere for a reason

rbfrgsp

Raeyleigh wrote: »

On my nightblade ganker i can oneshot someone from stealth with no time for counterplay from up to 40k hp. An assasins scourge isnt even needed. How? Balorgh and Actuity. Both deserving a fat nerf.
But ive seen even regular stamblades hitting a 13k incap into a 17k bow that cant be avoided because of breakfree delays and server desyncs.

Fair and balanced as all things should be.

You're probably also a vampire..it's vampire that needs the nerf.

I have appalling internet and run 23k health. Yet I am able to dodge roll out of every NB combo pretty reliably. They might get me in a follow up, but there is always time to evade at least part of the initial burst. It's just about honing your twitch reflexes.

rbfrgsp

Stx wrote: »

Incap and merciless both are on the global right? There's no way you can get hit with both at the same time unless the game bugs out.

The spectral bow has a travel time so, if he shot it before the burst combo, he could hit it all at once. More likely that OP ate an incap, got stunned, and failed to break free in time to avoid the bow proc though.

Raeyleigh

rbfrgsp wrote: »

You're probably also a vampire..it's vampire that needs the nerf.

I have appalling internet and run 23k health. Yet I am able to dodge roll out of every NB combo pretty reliably. They might get me in a follow up, but there is always time to evade at least part of the initial burst. It's just about honing your twitch reflexes.

That extra 300 damage doesnt amount to that much. Perhaps 38k hp tops without it? Still far too high to be reasonable.

The internet connection might work in your favour. I actually despise extended duells against nightbaldes, it feels like im just waiting for that desynced incap into bow crit for 30k hp. And i have a rather good connection.
It all started with update 25 when they moved calculations server side. Before that i never got hit by a followup after a stun ever. Now its the norm. It feels like im playing more against the server than the nightblade players.

Urzigurumash

Tank up and see if you still think NBs are OP?

Just commenting generally and not on this patch, or last, with equivalent skills/experience and equivalent thought/investment into equipment: Tanks should beat Ganks. Ganks should beat Balanced Builds. Balanced Builds should beat Tanks.

That's how I see it anyhow. This is why I disagreed with the suggestions that giving Heavy Armor a Maim was the best long-term solution to the Malacath Meta. A healthy ecosystem is best for everyone, in the long haul, in my opinion.

Tommy_The_Gun

1.3K heavy attack, 11K Incap, 15K bow proc (it actually hit someone lol)... so um... around 27,3K health ? Well... there is your problem right there... anything lower than 30K HP is basically like asking for a gank, as your opponent sees your health bar and knows that most likely you are not wearing heavy and you have a good offensive capitalises, but defensively - you are squishy and therefore - a perfect target. Any other class would probably also won. Maybe it would not be a gank, but I assume fight would be quick too...

Olen_Mikko

As a NB myself, i envy everyone who can actually fire the spectral bow.

In pvp, mine resets every. Single. [snip] time if i disengace from combat. Or kill a guard and lose the aggro, even though i'd still be in combat.

Not having the same issue in pve. It stays loaded even if timer runs out

[edited for filter bypass]

Amerises

Couple tips, but could be more if we knew more about your build:

1. Stay buffed. If you are not running around and casting your buffs every 10 to 25 seconds (depending on buff), you're doing it wrong.

2. Be ready. As others have said, know that can happen, so keep your finger on a strong heal, shield, or block/roll dodge.

3. Stats. Again, others have said your HP and resistances are low. If you choose to run around with low stats like that, you must (hopefully) be hitting others pretty hard, too. I don't think your set up needs a nerf, it's a balance, you make sacrifices on one end, for another (sustain, health, WD/SD, mag/stam, resistances, procs, etc).

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

"A NB KILLED ME, SO THEY MUST BE OP!!!111! NERF NAO PLX."

NO, ganking is at the weakest point it has ever been for nbs. Snipe got neutered to hell and nearly everyone is playing a tank now. If a nb still manages to gank you at this point its your fault[snip]. You only lost 200 telvar, who cares.

My advice from you is to just have your shields up at all times. I simply ignore any player who is buffing when I am on the prowl for telvar. Follow in the foot steps of literally every other player and have sword n board equipped and walk around holding block.

[edited for baiting]

gariondavey

Slot radiant magelight. You'll never get stunned or die from a gank again

Patro

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

"A NB KILLED ME, SO THEY MUST BE OP!!!111! NERF NAO PLX."

NO, ganking is at the weakest point it has ever been for nbs. Snipe got neutered to hell and nearly everyone is playing a tank now. If a nb still manages to gank you at this point its your fault[snip]. You only lost 200 telvar, who cares.

My advice from you is to just have your shields up at all times. I simply ignore any player who is buffing when I am on the prowl for telvar. Follow in the foot steps of literally every other player and have sword n board equipped and walk around holding block.

There shouldn't be the possibility of being killed instantly without even having time to react.

[edited to remove quote]

rbfrgsp

There is a time to react. Use audio cues and block, dodge roll, evade. As I said above: I run 23k health and nine times out of ten gankers fail to wipe me with their kill burst.

WaywardArgonian

rbfrgsp wrote: »

There is a time to react. Use audio cues and block, dodge roll, evade. As I said above: I run 23k health and nine times out of ten gankers fail to wipe me with their kill burst.

This.

And if you really need a panic button, Precognition is available to every class.

Pauwer

Yep, that is how you die to an nb if you don't know what to do. [snip]Like others say, both these skills you can hear coming and you can avoid them. You have too low health anyway to live in pvp.

[edited for baiting]

Patro

Maybe I have difficulty in making you understand that what you see in my death recap happened in a split second.

ResidentContrarian

Hmm... A post claiming cloak is extinct by one player, then this post showing a build gank him with crit damage stacking and stat scaling that is only available by using cloak.

Is this proof the average claim of the two is the real case?

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Patro wrote: »

Maybe I have difficulty in making you understand that what you see in my death recap happened in a split second.

IC is a ganker's paradise. What you have to do is either have stealth detection at all times, pay attention to surroundings, or spam AoE as part of your rotation.

Personally, I have fought so many NBs I have a sixth sense when it comes to them and they stay away from me because they already know the result. Well, when they don't they claim it's impossible to have known.

When you think "this is a good time to be ganked or something" it likely is. In fact, NB behavior is so easy to predict that I watched my brother in a BGs and told him exactly when the NBs would appear and exactly what they would do.

Quite easy to handle anyone once you start reading their nature and get into their mindset...

ThePedge

Patro wrote: »

Maybe I have difficulty in making you understand that what you see in my death recap happened in a split second.

It can't.

You can hear the incap 0.5s before it hits you, then the games Global Cooldown, then the travel time on the bow proc.

You can only get ganked while afk.

divnyi

To OP: Those numbers are most likely come from vamp frenzy. And that's not top tier burst even, you can go new set that procs off heavy and caluurions. But that's very hard to pull off because it's melee gank - players rarely stay in one place and it's very hard to hit the moving target, and you are also living on tiny fraction of hitpoints because of frenzy.

Everybody who downplay it and say that it's easy to dodge or hard to hit merciless: you are wrong here. You can stack merciless hitting NPCs, incap stuns and merciless hitting the stunned state 0.6s after (because of that 0.4s cast time). There is no way to dodge merciless after incap.

The only counterplay is to have enough HP+armor to survive whole burst. And maybe dodge if you know NB is here, and it might not be the case in IC. You can pay attention to tiniest details around, like dead bodies of NPCs, strange behaviors, but good NB can move without disturbing anything.

Human reaction time is approx 0.3s, incap is 0.4s. You must be very well prepared to dodge that on reaction, and any lag will remove the dodge counterplay.

Sun7dance

divnyi wrote: »

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Everybody who downplay it and say that it's easy to dodge or hard to hit merciless: you are wrong here. You can stack merciless hitting NPCs, incap stuns and merciless hitting the stunned state 0.6s after (because of that 0.4s cast time). There is no way to dodge merciless after incap.

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This is not the reality, sorry!
Most of your decent opponents you hit with incap break free and dodge before you can hit them again with the spectral bow.

Yes, all typical skills do a lot of damage on their own, but you don't get them on your opponent at the same time (except of performance).
That's the big difference in contrast to warden, nekro and Dk with all the Dots.

With the current patch the gank meta will probably return, coz of sets like Hrothgar that exactly fill this gap!