I Think Zos should begin to break from the standard release formula

Icy_Waffles

WeerW3ir wrote: »

they wont change anyway. this way is paying well them. tho... each year the expansions are losing their charm. like. look::

(personal opinion, BUT KINDA TRUE)

The thing is Orsinium was better than all of them.

Marto

Here's another, not too complex idea to make the release formula less repetitive.

Different types of daily quests.

We know that ZOS likes releasing 2-4 new motifs on each new zone, and that daily quests are a good way to offer the rewards, without immediately flooding the market. But there's no reason for zones to always have world boss, delve, and dolmen-like dailies, and no more.

Bring back the harvesting dailies from Clockwork City. Or dailies that require you to travel to multiple different zones, like Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood ones.

Weekly quests we don't see often. Could be a way to reward players with rare motifs.

What about a crafting daily? Help a faction by constructing wooden barricades, repairing tents, or putting shoes on a horse.

Investigation or hunting dailies. Head to a location on the map, and track clues to find a hidden chest or enemy. Even better if ZOS finds a way to make it randomly generated.

Sailor_Palutena

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi All, thanks for the passion in this thread about release structure. We're taking note of your comments here for future conversations.

For more constructive feedback, let us know what you would potentially like to see in a future release structure and why. These suggestions could help in future discussions to better the overall experience for all players. Thanks for your future feedback!

Give us content that have seemingly stopped in time. I would love to see another campaign for the Thieves Guild and another for the Dark Brotherhood for example.

If you want to go radical, maybe FINALLY allow us to explore underwater. Underwater Ruins have been a thing in Elder Scrolls for years.

spartaxoxo

I also want more self-contained stories. I want interesting single player/small group content than the arenas. The wave after wave of enemy gets really stale. Something challening and more puzzley without being really restrictive and overly long.

I'd like to see mini-games.

What about something new for 12 players that isn't a trial?

Also does everything have to be a world ending threat? Murkmire was so fantastic to me because the threat was more personal.

Neugeniko

The life saving storyline's are being reserved for a new title I expect. There are plenty of open threads in the lore but not many in this timeline that will not diminish the marketability of future releases. I just wish the world was not split between single player and multiplayer titles, as it is, we are on do not resusitate until ES6 is old and then we will also be competing with a alternate bethesda franschise.

Still there is hope, be sure to moo with $$$ when we increasingly get milked.

RevJJ

Sailor_Palutena wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi All, thanks for the passion in this thread about release structure. We're taking note of your comments here for future conversations.

For more constructive feedback, let us know what you would potentially like to see in a future release structure and why. These suggestions could help in future discussions to better the overall experience for all players. Thanks for your future feedback!

Give us content that have seemingly stopped in time. I would love to see another campaign for the Thieves Guild and another for the Dark Brotherhood for example.

If you want to go radical, maybe FINALLY allow us to explore underwater. Underwater Ruins have been a thing in Elder Scrolls for years.

Fully agree on TG and DB. It was nice to have stories that don’t involve a world ending threat and have a bit of mystery in them.
Plus, I think Abah’s Watch is perhaps the only city in ESO that actually feels like a city so I would love to go back and continue where the TG storyline (which I also love) ended.

Looking at the last expansions and DLCs, I think that SE > NE and Markarth > Western Skyrim. The smaller zones are more populated, making them feel more alive and “real” than the bigger zones, so perhaps the way forward would be to have more smaller zones with individual stories instead of the prologue > main chapter > part 2 > epilogue things as mentioned by others in this topic.
The main bad guy escaping at the end of the main chapter is always a bit of a “Ill get you next time vestige, next time!!!” moment for me.

Perhaps a DLC of a city that’s under siege so the whole DLC is just one city that you can only get to through a wayshrine or idk, going through some sewers. But under siege by mortals, not Daedric princess or whatever and not like Imperial “Nightblade” City.

RazielSR

I liked at the beginning the idea of year-story.... but clearly...the whole year story and dungeons in the middle should end.

REVAMP old zones. The graphics could be astonishing if you equalize the quality with the new zones.
Zones like Orsinium is the way. And please fill the gaps between new zones!

TwinLamps

WeerW3ir wrote: »

they wont change anyway. this way is paying well them. tho... each year the expansions are losing their charm. like. look::

(personal opinion, BUT KINDA TRUE)

Elsweyr was last chapter I liked so I kinda agree.
Also, I am so very tired of dungeons, ngl.

matterandstuff

Yet another one chipping in to say that the year-long format is killing ESO - we've had three chapters that functionally have the same absolutely predictable story structure because the model demands it.

It's peculiar that ESO sticks with it, because if you want to do the interlinked stories, as many others have said, ESO did it far better the first time with Morrowind/CWC/Summerset.

And another one to say that people-threat stories (like Wrothgar, Murkmire and the first half of Elsweyr) are far more interesting than yet another "let's thwart yet another Daedric prince's machinations" when we've done this...five times already?

It really needs some more thought into livening up zones in an ongoing basis - I love Blackwood from a lore and scenery perspective, but the barebones initial quests and lack of reasons to bring you back there apart from crafting dailies was an unfortunate miss. Markarth three months ago was vastly livelier than Blackwood now, and this tendency of only doing things that make the zones lively (like interesting dailies) in the Q4 packs is going to nuke the EP income stream sooner or later.

There are so many great ideas shared here and I really hope ZOS takes some of them on board, because it'll extend the life of the game dramatically.

arun_rajputb16_ESO

I've taken a couple of breaks from the game, just because I've played it a lot. I've recently come back again and so much has changed and I love it all. For those complaining about it becoming stale, take a break for at least a few months. It won't be stale when you return.

Duhne

Just follow simple rules. Separate releases where it makes sense

Each release should only have one type of content inside (not a clumsy mix). The yearly thing is not something that fit IT projects.

Each release should be a whole. When I buy something, it must have a meaning. I want to enjoy it fully (not a pieces spread in many releases, cutted strangely. I lost the track between puzzles things).

In the same way a release should shine of quality. I don't care if I need to wait more, pay more. Give us something finished. I want to be surprised and say "that was [snip] well thought" and enjoy what you took enough time to imagine, test, polish and deliver.

Don't mix content that should not be mixed

• zone & stories
• game mechanics, class, skill lines, etc
• QoL
• pve
• pvp

Right now it's such a bloody mess. Keep things seperated where it makes senses. You would have an easier time to test. Do you even know right now which part broke what with all the things you change at the same time. You would have much more constructive returns too if you deliver one thing (it would less be a mix of all kind of frustrations).

Putting every types of content in a release timebox will never work well.

Again, we just have simple expactations

• Quality
• Meaningful
• Self contained
• Worth it (Smart / Unexpected / Beautiful / etc)

[edited for profanity bypass]

Duhne

As a side note, you go way too much the "throw them a daily candy" road.

If the core is not there, I'll stop to come.

Even if I love the world and lore
Even if have friends that I enjoy spending time with
Even if I really like the combat mechanics
Even if you throw thousand of candies every day

alberichtano

matterandstuff wrote: »

Yet another one chipping in to say that the year-long format is killing ESO - we've had three chapters that functionally have the same absolutely predictable story structure because the model demands it.

It's peculiar that ESO sticks with it, because if you want to do the interlinked stories, as many others have said, ESO did it far better the first time with Morrowind/CWC/Summerset.

And another one to say that people-threat stories (like Wrothgar, Murkmire and the first half of Elsweyr) are far more interesting than yet another "let's thwart yet another Daedric prince's machinations" when we've done this...five times already?

It really needs some more thought into livening up zones in an ongoing basis - I love Blackwood from a lore and scenery perspective, but the barebones initial quests and lack of reasons to bring you back there apart from crafting dailies was an unfortunate miss. Markarth three months ago was vastly livelier than Blackwood now, and this tendency of only doing things that make the zones lively (like interesting dailies) in the Q4 packs is going to nuke the EP income stream sooner or later.

There are so many great ideas shared here and I really hope ZOS takes some of them on board, because it'll extend the life of the game dramatically.

I do wonder... the fact that the "dolmens" of Blackwood are not so tempting, and that they take place outside of the main Blackwood map - could these contribute to the lack of people in Blackwood? Daily quests aside, there is little reason to hang around there. The rewards from the oblivion gates are in no way unique or tempting, so why bother?

The other "dolmens" all have their special rewards:
Dolmen-dolmens are the first and easiest, and always reward jewelry of the area.
Geisers reward unique alchemy materials.
Dragons also reward unique alchemy materials, but also give a chance to get leads.
Harrowstorms had a chance at giving leads.
Oblivion gates... do nothing special?

makasouleater420

[snip]

As for just letting a bunch of people who are in a corporate structure where they make their living from, to just do what ever yeah that's not gonna work. Those people lives depend on making that money, Microsoft doesn't share profit with them. That's like going I wish my local Walmart let the employees just go wild with what they sell, and how they structure the store. I'm bored of how they operate it.

No one's gonna risk anything to try something new, if the old is making them piles of cash, which ESO is making them piles of cash.

Me personally I wish they just made ESO single player, and the only time you see people is if you go specifically to a group dungeon, or the pvp place, which has zero forced reason to go to those places other than to group with people. With adding in you could bring people from those places back to do the other content if you wanted, but you would be in you own zone. Nothing worse to me than trying to mind my own business,and some one with a out of place mount, and some out of place clothes comes up to me and starts killing everything I was trying to kill, then follows you around.

Like when your trying to do a dark brotherhood kill and some one just runs in killing everything for no reason, mind you it's rare, but I 100 percent can see some one getting bored, and looking for dark brotherhood members and following them around then killing the target instantly and laughing.

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winterscrolls229prerb18_ESO

.. I've restarted the game a few times, only biting over a year ago when i decided to play eso single player.

I have to say.. ESO was a game i was recommending to friends and praising quite often whenever i could. As far as an mmo goes, its the best package (once you get used to the combat).

.. Then last week i finally hit elswyer. Truly hearbroken now. Im honestly appauled at how bad the writing is for the quests. Its such a calamity of a drop between summerset / murkmire.. The fact they could even create so bad can only mean the game is doomed even. The side quests i cant even stand to listen to first time around. Pointless. The main story has zero exposition, things just happen and without any explanation "ill meet you there". The dialog choices are so blatanly dumb as well.. im okay to not click the dumb option but do they think we're that stupid?

Its such a shame because the kajit theme i like the best out of the fantasies in the game. My home is in rawlkha.

Murkmire was a little strange, actually argonians are, but its like night and day i really enjoyed the depth to the lore and the atmosphere of the place. I even read the book about the person who went around and ate the slugs. Lasting memory forever.

Anyway, for someone whos made a game out of eso just playing the quests, this to me is evidence of doom. Ive bought greymoor and markarth, but thats it until community opinion says its gotten better.

EDIT: I finally understand why vets have the general opinion of the game. If the story isn't holding the game up anymore, it has to be gameplay or why bother.

TwoPercentMD

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi All, thanks for the passion in this thread about release structure. We're taking note of your comments here for future conversations.

For more constructive feedback, let us know what you would potentially like to see in a future release structure and why. These suggestions could help in future discussions to better the overall experience for all players. Thanks for your future feedback!

I think that a year of expansions that build on previous stories would be really cool. For example, Many who have done their original faction quests year ago barely remember that this whole thing was centered around the 3 banner war and the dark anchors from cold harbor. What if there was an expansion that built on these stories as almost a follow up chapter. If they could weave together parts that involve the leaders of the factions and maybe expand on what's happened since previous events.

Example, could be to give the player an idea of what's happened since the fighters guild story line concluded (I'm staying vague because I don't want to spoil anything for newer players). Same with the Mages guild. Could there be something that would cause certain guilds to team up such as the mages and psijic order? I've always been a dark brotherhood fan, so seeing that come into play in the Blackwood story was really cool.

I also like the idea mentioned above a lot about a new "Craglon" style zone that is more difficult and might be suited for higher level players and companions. A place where some of the delves are group events. Something that would give the longer time players a challenge. I like the idea of the random dragon like bosses where it takes a larger group to take down. Perhaps something that would merge the world boss/harrowstorm concept together.

My last idea I'll share is what about zone bosses or even better faction bosses? Hear me out. A mega style boss that appears in a random zone that would require zone chat and 30-50 people to take down. It would keep people going to areas that aren't used much in the game past the zone story. I know the immediate issue would be lag issues or some other technical problem. But the idea seems cool. Basically a PVE version of an assault on a massive enemy or perhaps fortification. It would give players a chance to use siege weapons in PVE content. Anyway, something like that would be cool.

AlexanderDeLarge

The problem with the current schedule is that it gives zero time to revisit half-baked systems that have deserved attention and iteration since they debuted. I'd love to have some sort of sequel DLC that adds content and changes a landmass like Vvardenfell or content from Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood DLCs.

16BitForestCat

I have more writing-related suggestions that have been brought up many times before, but this is the place to drag those horse corpses out again:

Let there be permanent consequences in our stories.

Let us meet new characters. Let us fall in love with them--not necessarily romantically, mind you. And then, let them go where the story calls for it. Let the dead stay dead (most of the time). Let the ones who say, "After all this, I'm going far away, and we'll never meet again" actually follow through on it (most of the time). It's often seen as a mark of amateur writing when the writer can't let things go where the story doesn't require it. And it's getting a bit cringe-inducing in ESO, how often dead people suddenly show up alive again for new content just because they were a popular character before. Or people who left "for good" swiftly coming back. (I could swear this last has happened a few times, but I can't think of any quests now, so I might be off-base?)

This is a fantasy game with constantly changing stakes, so it's not unreasonable that the dead could be raised or someone might change their mind about retiring to a remote undisclosed location, but it happens far too often. The emotional impact has long since been lost. This is at its worst in more recent content. Like

the Five Companions barring Varen suddenly all being alive again with no explanation in game beyond, "IDK what happened lol, I was dead and now I'm not hahahaha!"

or

Cadwell "dying" dramatically and returning to unlife literally seconds later.

(If this was intended to be a joke because many players would already know you can't keep him down, it fell extremely flat for me due to the "no permanent death" already being abused at this point. And normally I'm all for that brand of humor.) And

Markarth was the worst with this. The "everyone lives again!" could've actually been a very effective ending, showing us that there can be hope even in a bleak place like The Reach. But, again, this was already so overdone before in ESO that, instead, I just rolled my eyes when Arana was dying and said, "Eh, she'll be back. They all will." And sure enough!

Even poor

Verandis,

who I quite like, felt cheapened by his return.

I love seeing returning characters! But only when it would make sense for the character to be there, usually because they're alive and able to travel. Bringing back the dead or the gone-forever should be used sparingly; otherwise, it just doesn't have any impact on the audience anymore.

And while I'm here, how about letting more characters exist in shades of grey? We've got too many mustache-twirling villains who are awful for the sake of being awful, and too many bland heroes who can do no wrong, or only the most minor, forgivable amounts of wrong. By the way, making Lyris even grumpier than usual in Western Skyrim and Markarth, however justifiable for her being under a lot of stress in enemy territory, wasn't an effective way to expand her character. It just made her seem childish. Writing believable characters that players will still love is so hard, I know. But it can absolutely be done!

I get giddy whenever I realize the character I originally wanted to throttle has grown as a person and also grown on me to the point I'm sad to see their story end (but back to my first point, don't drag out stories unnecessarily by bringing back people who should be let go! Being sad at the end of a good story BECAUSE it's good is a positive thing!) Like...I did the Greenshade zone story back in 2014, and I still think about

Aranias

and our journey to this day. I went from

hating her to getting teary-eyed at our goodbye.

Ard Caddach

is another good example. I actually don't like his character (or his irritatingly slow speaking) at all, but I appreciated that he wasn't actually a villain despite being a jerk I would very much like to punch in the teeth.

I also like when a character I loved turns traitor on me and yanks my heart out in a believable manner, whether or not they change their ways by the end. This is also hard to do, but when it works, it's amazing.

Jerdeh

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi All, thanks for the passion in this thread about release structure. We're taking note of your comments here for future conversations.

For more constructive feedback, let us know what you would potentially like to see in a future release structure and why. These suggestions could help in future discussions to better the overall experience for all players. Thanks for your future feedback!

I think what we all need at this point, are some new weapons and skills and maybe some new interesting PvP side for the game. ESO has been out for many years and we still haven't got a single new weapon in the game. There has been some new interesting systems and mechanics over the past years, such as jewelry crafting, outfits etc, but we actually need something that affects in the actual gameplay and gives some new options and possibilities to play the game. This game just gets more boring and boring, if only thing that comes out every year is new zone which is basically the same kind of content over and over with different style and look.

And also the fact that overland content is way too easy nowadays won't help at all. When the game first launched, people actually had some challenge even with overland enemies. Now you can just frag these enemies down with oneshot. There is much potential even in the basegame content if you would just update it.

Hurbster

The problem is, the majority of people who PvE are there for the quests and don't necessarily want harder overland content. But for those that do, maybe a toggle or (as has been suggested) some sort of debuff food? And how do you make the content engaging without turning enemies into 'bullet sponges' or including mechanics 90% or players will ignore?

See Harrowstorms and dragons. In the recent event I'm sure we have all seen people just charging the dragon, dying and charging in again. Might have done that myself once or twice to the frost one, as long as I get a hit on it, who cares? And Harrowstorms - if you don't know what to do then the adds will get too many,

It's a fine balance. @ZOS_Kevin

And has PvP been neglected (and it has) because ZoS is afraid of splitting the PvP population if they introduce another map? What with the servers made out of spit and sawdust surely this is a good thing?

And are we being ignored on the PTR? It seems like it sometimes. I'm getting the sense of 'this is our vision, you will like it' and it seems some of the changes have been made by some person with a calculator and not someone who plays for fun. Blizzard has done this for years and now (irrespective of recent problems) they are dealing with a population that's pretty ticked off with the game.

Don't go down that route, please?

mzprx

mzprx wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

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hi there, ZOS_Kevin,

thanks for your time you spend moderating the Forums. there was no bashing what-so-ever in my post. is it not true that the only reason this game exists is for ZOS to make money? there is nothing to be ashamed about in that sentence. you want to make money same as every other business does, which is all fine. let's not be hypocritical about it by pretending there is more to it..

tomfant

I do agree on the underwhelming experience in the latest expansion. Blackwood feels barren, even the big city of Leyawiin feels empty. It's like the PVE version of Cyrodiil that many people are asking for... I do like the dungeons, though. These are really creative. Each time I do the Cauldron I'm laughing my ass off at the first boss when he is doing his fart attack. I also like the boss fight with the 6 beacons to destroy. Black Drake Villa is also great. That's the kind of creativity I would like to see in overland zones.

I also very much agree with many people in this thread regarding repetence of the scheme of plot. I'm getting tired of saving the world again and again from total destruction.

However, rather than getting new content every quarter I would prefer ZOS taking time to polish what's already in the game.
(1) There are many aspects of the game that need adjustments to account for the ever growing content (which on its own is appreciated). The introduction of the stickerbook is one of those adjustments. We need more of such QoL improvments that hepls us organise the huge amount of content and items in the game in a better way. Things like super master crafting stations that combine the plethora or set tables into one (or maybe one for each profession), like combining storage chests into one entity, like harvesting multiple harvest maps at once, like companions carry their own burdens, like harmonising all timers to reset at the same time (mount upgrade, dailies, research scrolls, motif chances from zone dailies, etc). There are many threads with a lot of good ideas.
(2) The massive changes to races, CP, skills and sets every quarter as an attempt to balance the game needs to come to an end. It's not an easy task and it needs time. And it's obvioulsy not done on-the-fly while adding new content and new sets. Take your time, bring the game to a stable condition and adjust new content in a way that it doesn't destroy the balance.
(3) Performance of the game is still an issue, despite the "year or performance" 2020.
(4) I want to see less grind. For sure it's an integral part of a game like this, and I do appreciate a certain level of grind. But in my opinion it got out of hand. Best example are the 50 fragments from the 2 public dungeons in Blackwood or from Labyrinthian in Western Skyrim. It used to be 7...

netch_a_sketch

It's not just the release formula but I think the story formula is becoming predictable too.

I don't think they need to do a yearly release. ZOS please take your time, take 2 years if you need to and write us an original high quality story. Surprise us! Give us what the writing team is most passionate about. Let them come up with something amazing, then polish it to perfection and release the chapter to us when it's ready.

themaddaedra

Well @ZOS_Kevin first of all, thanks for being here to communicate. Just by looking at how thoughtful and detailed the entries are, i can imagine people sparing some valuable time of theirs to give feedback and it's nice to see it considered.

I too believe that year-long story structure made the experience quite stale, predictable and uninteresting. Personally i have never been a fan of world-threatening events and stories, they all feel somewhat dull and irrelevant to me. Small, stand-alone and independent stories are more hearty and way more interesting in my opinion. And they don't kill hype like year-long stories that are pretty much clones of the same draft anyway.

One other thing i feel lost is the storytelling in dlc dungeons. They are reduced to being redundant parts of the year-long story and offer pretty much nothing other than enter and hit enemies. They don't necessarily have to tell huge stories, but like in Dragon Bones they could tell self-contained small stories and just be amazing.

As a veteran end game raider i feel like i must have a few words about trials too. During Summerset's PTS cycle, i was quite disappointed in having another mini trial instead of a full one, and made several posts about it here in forums. Since then, we haven't got any more mini trials, but i think it cost us the smart play that makes trials interesting. We've had 3 full trials in last 3 chapters, and in my humble opinion not a single one of them was as fun as Cloudrest. Least of all, Kyne's Aegis. I think you could tell it by looking at the decrease in end game groups too.

I hope these feedbacks make it to the future dev conversations and we start seeing interesting content again ^^

colossalvoids

themaddaedra wrote: »

Well @ZOS_Kevin first of all, thanks for being here to communicate. Just by looking at how thoughtful and detailed the entries are, i can imagine people sparing some valuable time of theirs to give feedback and it's nice to see it considered.

I too believe that year-long story structure made the experience quite stale, predictable and uninteresting. Personally i have never been a fan of world-threatening events and stories, they all feel somewhat dull and irrelevant to me. Small, stand-alone and independent stories are more hearty and way more interesting in my opinion. And they don't kill hype like year-long stories that are pretty much clones of the same draft anyway.

One other thing i feel lost is the storytelling in dlc dungeons. They are reduced to being redundant parts of the year-long story and offer pretty much nothing other than enter and hit enemies. They don't necessarily have to tell huge stories, but like in Dragon Bones they could tell self-contained small stories and just be amazing.

As a veteran end game raider i feel like i must have a few words about trials too. During Summerset's PTS cycle, i was quite disappointed in having another mini trial instead of a full one, and made several posts about it here in forums. Since then, we haven't got any more mini trials, but i think it cost us the smart play that makes trials interesting. We've had 3 full trials in last 3 chapters, and in my humble opinion not a single one of them was as fun as Cloudrest. Least of all, Kyne's Aegis. I think you could tell it by looking at the decrease in end game groups too.

I hope these feedbacks make it to the future dev conversations and we start seeing interesting content again ^^

Could agree 100% on all of that also.

B11zzard1991

Maybe shift towards 3 releases per year every 4 month. 2 updates with dungeons and meta changes to keep things fresh.

And one big location/story chapter. The problem with addon/small zone deal is that neither main addon or zone is as good as Summerset for example. Story wise as well.

Like Elsweyr is really cool and all, but imagine if the whole story was packed in one chapter with main drama in the end of it. Because rigth now we have two pretty mediocre parts, mainly because you need to keep ending for small dlc, but at the same time you can't do small dlc as good as chapter for obvious reasons so what end up happening - you keep using the same "princess in another castle" twist every time.

The same thing is about delves/public dungeons. I would rather see 1 grand public dungeon with some really cool new stuff and maybe 2 amazing delves over 6 usual.

Anyway you can sum my post as i want quality over quantity.

Slimebrow

100% Agree. I have been saying this for years now but I am not happy with the base game and its the reason I stopped.

IMO they need to remove the classes all together and put them in game as guilds based choices so people can pick at least 3 base class skill lines by either from fighters, mages and thieves guild. In the tutorial people should start out with with only weapons and that it IMO.

Personally the game currently lacks a proper melee based class that doesn't use magic and uses more hard hitting effects or more agile gymnastics type of melee effects.

The Necromancer and Warden classes look lazy from a visual point of view and does contradict your own LORE. So frustrated with this.
Make the overworld content more difficult including some of the quests were If lack skills then I can SOCIALISE with other players and ask for help isn't this an MMO?
More overworld group/co-op orienting content and activities that happen through Tamriel! Maybe like puzzles? or Jumping puzzles, cool looking boss fights.


[snip] should I play this game if its just single player, when other single player games are so much better in terms of the content they offer.

[edited for profanity bypass]

Kalik_Gold

Marto wrote: »

I'd like to see different types of content for Q1 and Q3, not just 4-player dungeons.

There's quite a few possibilities that come to mind...

• 1 Trial
• 1 Arena
• 3 "Mini dungeons"
• 1 small PVP-PVE zone. Yes, I know Imperial City isn't the most popular thing, but they could still experiment, and make the idea work.
• 1 Smaller explorable zone. There's plenty of areas in the map that are seemingly too small to be considered for a Q4 DLC Zone.

Some zones that could fit that description are

• Tenmar Forest (Middle Elsweyr): Including the khajiit holy city of Torval.
• Soulrest (That little triangle of land between Murkmire and Blackwood): One of the largest Argonian cities.
• Druadach Mountains (The strip of land between Western Skyrim and Wrothgar): It contains the Forgotten Vale from the TES V: Dawnguard expansion. We don't know if it's an area mostly influenced by Orsimer, Bretons, or Nords during the time of ESO.
• Sheogorad: (The skull-shaped island north of Vvardenfell) There's not a lot there, other than some dangerous ruins.

Small, dense zones like these could be focused around a lot of verticality and exploration (like Abah's Landing). They could be very heavy on story, without including that many delves, world bosses or regions.

Corinthe (Central Elsywer on map) for small PvP zone: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7349975/#Comment_7349975

Fata1moose

Things have definitely become too safe. I want to see something truly new in the next chapter. Companions and antiquities are nice systems and I appreciate their inclusion and look forward to more additions but they're not changing the moment to moment gameplay. ESO is getting additional genre competition in New World, FF seems to be pulling away from ESO in terms of popularity. The game needs to improve to match the competition, that means addressing areas of weakness and leaning into what makes Elder Scrolls popular. Improve combat and not by the way of arbitrary number changes. Make the world even more immersive as this is where ESO shines compared to the contemporaries.

• Combat: Fix the lack of impact and "floaty combat" that turns so many off towards the game. Overhaul light and heavy attacks so there's more impact through paired animations, sound, decapitations from melee combat, etc. Make the combat more visceral overall. Finally add in mounted combat to inject some new gameplay into both the overland and Cyrodiil.
• Classes are nice but I think new weapons would be better namely spears and sword+destruction skill lines that offer unique mechs with with their skills and light/heavy weaving.
• NPC schedules: Something somewhat lacking from the mainline games have NPCs sleep, eat, etc. This would add new variety to crime and immersion while exploring.
• Actual dialogue choices: Right now most of the options are asking questions. It's very seldom we actually get to convey our characters personality through dialogue and choice.

ChuckyPayne

4 DLC a year

ZOS choosed a very different path compared to other games. You can play with other games, and you can come back when we introduce new DLC. It is both good and bad.
- 4 updates / year. They have time to create back-end, something new, etc.
- We can play with other games ~ after a month (when we finished)
- No need to grind insanly

I like this part very much, but yes, much content would be nice. I would definitely stay all year and not look for another game if more content came in.


Predictable

Sometimes I feel the same. But they can surprise me I predicted a new class for this year, companion system is awesome. Or I never thought there would be a set collection in the game.

I don't have a really good idea of what a good formula would be.There are good things in it that I don’t think should be changed. We get new zone, new trial, new dungeons every year

Someone say every DLC should be different (PVP, PVE, Dungeon etc). I do not agree with that. I think the better solution would be for everyone to get something in every DLC. There could be multiple dedicated development teams for each group (Casual PVE + PVP, HC PVE + PVP)
A pve player don't care a pvp update. and vice versa a pvp player don't care a new zone or dugeon. Why pve/pvp player base need to wait 2-3 updates to get something, he gets tired.
PVP usually non-paid content, therefore, it must always be presented together with something else.


Revisit older zones

- Some1 says recreate older uglier zones. I would like it too, but this won't generate playtime.if this ever happened, it would be surprising (unpredictable XD)
- But yes create the missing elements (no surveys in Summerset or in small dlc zones, no daily craft in small dolc zones, no jewel crafting in hollow city etc etc) would be nice


What I could imagine

During events, they could also bring new content
- Dungeon events, introduce a new path to existing dungeons (quite surprising, no one would expect) Second path is missing from Arx Corinium to Vaults of Madness.
- Dungeon DLC events introduce the second path for both dungeons. there is no need to discount dungeon DLCs if its contents are duplicated
- New fun dungeons/game modes/pvp maps/pvp game modes, during only events.

Movement + combat update
- Jumping in this game not the best, sometimes quite confusing. I stand there in front of the fence and i can't jump over. I go backwards 2x-3x trying maybe I will succeed.
- the arrows, etc are thermal tracking, turn at the corner
- I would be surprised if I could climb a rock like in single player games (it's not MMO standard yet, but there are games already where it has been solved)

New systems
- it would be surprising if we could swim underwater to collect beads for jewelry making
- Mini games, unusual dungeons where dps don't matter