Adept Rider needs a change

StarOfElyon

Since major gallop is a passive in the assault skill line now its pointless to have it on a set. I recommend changing the bonus from the current state:

(5 items) Gain Major Gallop and Major Expedition at all times, increasing your Movement Speed and Mounted Speed by 30%.


To the following:

(5 items) Gain Major Expedition at all times, increasing your Movement Speed by 30%.

Plus one of the choices below:

1) Gain minor expedition at all times, increasing your movement speed by 15%.

2) Reduces the effectiveness of snares by 30%.

3) Grants major evasion at all times, reducing your damage taken from area of effect attacks by 20%.

EF321

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Since major gallop is a passive in the assault skill line now its pointless to have it on a set

This set was made so in the same patch gallop became passive, with dev comment that it is supposed to be beginner crafter set for people who didn't do pvp yet to be able to move around faster.

StarOfElyon

Fine. Keep major gallop and still add another bonus on.

MrMazurski

like half of the old sets. Has one advantage still this set. It gives you speed without the need to sprint like Coward set. Don't expect them to play around repairing old sets. Players are encouraged to grind with new sets, not by repairing old ones

twing1_

Should give permanent minor gallop as well, to fit the theme of a "rider" set.

tsaescishoeshiner

I'm down for Minor Expedition or snare reduction, but Major Evasion would be too much I think. At least Adept Rider is finally useful. The Major Gallop is still nice for brand new characters, and newer players who haven't PvPed. It has a niche.

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom

This is my primary Capture the Relic set. It's so good with the health, armor, and movespeed bonus.

YandereGirlfriend

As someone else mentioned, adding a Minor Gallop would be a nice touch that would also not have any impact on PvP. It would allow pure PvE players to ride around at top speed, which is nice for them and harmless for everyone else.

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I'm down for Minor Expedition or snare reduction, but Major Evasion would be too much I think. At least Adept Rider is finally useful. The Major Gallop is still nice for brand new characters, and newer players who haven't PvPed. It has a niche.

I agree, Major Evasion would definitely be too much - plus it's not really thematic to the name.

The poor Leki's Focus set provides you with permanent Major Evasion... but it also randomly has the "curse" effect of reducing your AoE damage by 5%. Of course, I would rather see Leki's Focus buffed into something more usable but having a set that provided permanent access to both Major Expedition and Major Evasion would be pretty OP indeed.

Some amount of snare reduction could be nice - though again we have sets in the game whose entire 5-piece bonus is something measly like 50% snare reduction, so adding that feature to Adept Rider would necessitate a buff to those sets as well (which would be welcome).

code65536

That's a terrible suggestion.

The passive requires Assault 3.

It's relatively easy to get, yes, but it's not something that everyone automatically has.

For example, I like to craft Adept Rider for new characters. You know, characters below level 10 who CAN'T have Assault 3 since they can't even enter Cyrodiil. These characters also happen to have no horse training. Because, you know, they're new. Adept Rider is perfect for these kinds of scenarios. There's absolutely no reason to change it.

StarOfElyon

code65536 wrote: »

That's a terrible suggestion.

The passive requires Assault 3.

It's relatively easy to get, yes, but it's not something that everyone automatically has.

For example, I like to craft Adept Rider for new characters. You know, characters below level 10 who CAN'T have Assault 3 since they can't even enter Cyrodiil. These characters also happen to have no horse training. Because, you know, they're new. Adept Rider is perfect for these kinds of scenarios. There's absolutely no reason to change it.

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Fine. Keep major gallop and still add another bonus on.

Ippokrates

If they really want to make a set for beginners who need to explore the map, they would add some stamina boost/regen to 2-4 bonuses. Or maybe some unique boost to detection.

redspecter23

code65536 wrote: »

That's a terrible suggestion.

The passive requires Assault 3.

It's relatively easy to get, yes, but it's not something that everyone automatically has.

For example, I like to craft Adept Rider for new characters. You know, characters below level 10 who CAN'T have Assault 3 since they can't even enter Cyrodiil. These characters also happen to have no horse training. Because, you know, they're new. Adept Rider is perfect for these kinds of scenarios. There's absolutely no reason to change it.

I agree with pretty much all of this. Adept Rider is one of the best craftable utility sets in the game currently. If anything, the power level is a bit on the high end. To suggest they add even more to it is to lack an understanding of how the set could be used to very great effect.

If OP doesn't like Adept Rider or perhaps doesn't personally have a use for it currently, that's understandable, but it's perfectly fine as is.

tsaescishoeshiner

I wasn't fully honest before about how much I love this set as it is and don't want it to change lol. I really hope they forget about it and don't rework it.

If you haven't tried the set in its current state, it's really fun. My stamsorc is wearing Adept Rider with Ring of the Wild Hunt, Engine Guardian, 2-piece Agility, Vateshran destruction staff, and Master's dual wield. That's 194% movement speed without sprinting, so you can use all your skills and save stamina at max speed. It's not overpowered because it comes at the cost of a better 5-piece set, but it's a unique way to avoid damage and control fights.

As a speed demon, I was so excited when Ring of the Wild Hunt was released. The Adept Rider rework was almost as hype.

StarOfElyon

I mean, I just asked for a buff and it seems like people who claimed to like it don't like buffs. 😂

tsaescishoeshiner

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I mean, I just asked for a buff and it seems like people who claimed to like it don't like buffs. 😂

LOL, fair point. But look at New Moon Acolyte: it was really strong when it released, and got nerfed to the point where the majority of people replaced it on their build.

Look at Pelinal's: People had been asking for a buff to it for years, and instead it got completely reworked to be nothing like it used to be.

So, sometimes, a set staying in the "sweet spot" of balance means it's safe from the nerf hammer and the rework flail.

StarOfElyon

I wouldn't worry about Pelinal's. This is just my speculation but I think we'll see it again as a monster set or a mythic.

pinkpom

(2 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(3 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(4 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(5 items) Gain Gallop and Major Expedition at all times, increasing your Movement Speed by 30% and Mounted Speed by 15%.

How about adding Minor Protection to Adept Rider?
Adept Rider is a sets that enhances defense and speed.
Since speed is enhanced with Major Expedition, defense is enhanced with Minor Protection.
Of course, Major Protection would be even better.