Change the name to Nightblade City

Vevvev

And this is why when I fight a boss I drag them into a building or something with a choke point. Increases my chances of catching the ganker and dealing with them. Remember one time Zoal ended up killing a ganker for me when I dodge rolled out of the way of his attack and he got them.

Joy_Division

pleximus wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

It is my belief that invis of any sort don't belong in PVP. But that won't be a very popular opinion. I can't stand gankers.

That said, whenever I do go into IC, I go in on a tank. There is nothing better in PVP than going in on a tank, having a ganker fail to bomb you, and locking him up in CC so he can't get away until other allies come along and kill him.

THIS is the insulting part: I fought the boss for 10 minutes, having fun, and all of a sudden a person WALKS up to me, kills me and walks off. I can't even describe how angry it makes me game or no game! It's just insulting!

Then I'd suggest you not kill bosses in environments that are havens for gankers. If you want Tel Var so badly, then run with a few friends to dissuade these sorts of ganks or hop on your NB and gank away since it's apparently so easy. Asking the devs to specifically tailor an entire game system to your preferences is just crazy.

Sephyr

pleximus wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

pleximus wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

pleximus wrote: »

Sephyr wrote: »

perfiction wrote: »

pleximus wrote: »

I was in the middle of a boss fight, busy trying to survive its aoe's and someone just walks up and kills you. I had no time to react to anything else. Nightblades have ruined the city!

So you blame other players that you got too focused on the boss and stopped paying attention to your surroundings? Yeah, makes complete sense

Damn those nightblades, they are the reason of my tunnel vision!

I guess we shouldn't be opportunistic. :'(

Opportunistic? You kill a player BEFORE boss is dead so no one gets the tel var and you just walk away!

No, I kill them right as they kill the boss. Anyone who knows anything about real ganking knows that's when you do it. That's what opportunism is. Unless they're near death, then I pick them off if the boss isn't even close to execute phase.

Edit: And as others have said, bosses have rings of protection, so they can't exactly gank you until after they're dead anyways if you stay close to them.

I fought the boss upstairs, where it would be impossible to remain undetected but I still got bombed into oblivion. So no, the boss' ring of protection is worthless.

Situational awareness. If it wasn't possible to remain undetected and you still got bombed, you simply weren't aware of your surroundings. The more and more I see your posts, it sounds more like there's a vendetta there. You got bombed because you weren't paying attention in a zone where it's vital that you pay attention. It's not a Nightblade's fault that you're tunnel visioning on a boss.

I have no personal vendetta. And, AGAIN, I'm focused on surviving the boss mechanics while fighting it. What makes you think that it's such an easy thing to notice an invisible player who just walks up to you, kills you and walks off? YES, WALKS IN AND OUT! There were no blade or bow attacks, just bombing into oblivion!

Here's my question.

You said that there was no way that there could be an invisible player because you had the boss put in a place where it would be impossible to remain undetected, yet still got bombed. If it was impossible to remain undetected, they couldn't be invisible.

Now you're claiming here they're invisible. It's either one or the other so which is it? Were they invisible or were they not?

And there does seem to be a personal vendetta.

pleximus wrote: »

I can't even describe in words how much I DESPISE this class! I hope it gets banned permanently! All it does is ruin good fights with someone jumping out of nowhere destroying everything right then and there! They are the antithesis of fun!

hakan

[snip] Enough with this. Please go learn to play. Go with a group or build your character tanky. It doesnt even have to be nightblades thats ganking you.

A warden can jump on you shalks+dizzy+dawnbreaker you and you will be dead.

[edited for baiting]

amm7sb14_ESO

hakan wrote: »

[snip] Enough with this. Please go learn to play. Go with a group or build your character tanky. It doesnt even have to be nightblades thats ganking you.

A warden can jump on you shalks+dizzy+dawnbreaker you and you will be dead.

You say just make our builds tanky, but then we get posts like this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/579985/please-stop-with-the-tanks-in-imperial-city#latest

So we can't win whatever we do

[edited to remove quote]

DonHardstyle

If you don't want to die, don't go to pvp. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Agenericname

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

God every time this happens you guys go crying again. Enough with this. Please go learn to play. Go with a group or build your character tanky. It doesnt even have to be nightblades thats ganking you.

A warden can jump on you shalks+dizzy+dawnbreaker you and you will be dead.

You say just make our builds tanky, but then we get posts like this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/579985/please-stop-with-the-tanks-in-imperial-city#latest

So we can't win whatever we do

Looks like a win to me. Nightblade tears are delicious!

Minnesinger

-Change the name to the Nightblade City?
-But bar the nightbladesfrom entering the Imperial City....

Someone is frustrated. Sucks to lose the tel var. I get it.

amm7sb14_ESO

Agenericname wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

God every time this happens you guys go crying again. Enough with this. Please go learn to play. Go with a group or build your character tanky. It doesnt even have to be nightblades thats ganking you.

A warden can jump on you shalks+dizzy+dawnbreaker you and you will be dead.

You say just make our builds tanky, but then we get posts like this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/579985/please-stop-with-the-tanks-in-imperial-city#latest

So we can't win whatever we do

Looks like a win to me. Nightblade tears are delicious!

Touche

Girl_Number8

pleximus wrote: »

The city is dead because of all the nightblades roaming around destroying every single chance to earn even a single tel var! The game is busted beyond belief when I, as a solo player, can be bombed into oblivion and thus have your solo fight against a boss ruined! The worst part is that you don't even get a chance to earn the tel var because they kill you and leave without continuing boss fight so you have to start all over again (if you're insane since you'll just get bombed again)! It has SPITE written all over it! The only way to bring life back into the city, outside of the event, is by banning the nightblades from it. It's too infuriating to play in there when you get bombed as a solo player and I hardly think that the buffs to flare etc will help in the slightest when you're busy fighting a boss.

It's really, REALLY difficult to not be toxic when it happens! I can hold my own in straight up fights but there is no way in hell I can defend myself against a nightblade who decides to bomb me. I'm dead before I even have a chance to react! This is so wrong on so many levels.

It’s your own fault for not adapting tbh, so you need to change....

Since you’re not able to deal with them solo by your own words, start or join a small group.

I farm IC in a duo carrying lots and lots of tel. I use a couple different classes, none a NB. We kill the bosses and other players without any issue.

NBs are never an issue for us or myself. Perhaps because I know the class. They’re very squishy and fkd once cloak is broken. The majority just can’t survive the burst. Not going to elaborate on the one skill, more experienced NBs have slotted.

IC is not simply made for solo play. It is not just NBs but other farming groups that know what they’re doing.

*My advice for you is, at least go with one other player that is experienced. Three players together is best. You said, it is not working out solo for you....

That is your problem because rn, all you have done is made yourself the best bait. If you’re just standing there solo, fighting a patrolling horror that’s a gift of tel....

ESO is a social game. IC, if you’re smart is not a solo game for the experienced. NBs always look for the weakest in the heard or an inexperienced heard.

Hope this helps....

It is a PvP area and that’s what makes it so exciting ^^

GoodFella146

Well when you can run 33k spell resist and 30k health but can still get immediately solo 1-shot from stealth that's a problem with the game

Parasaurolophus

I think the IC was designed for a larger population than it is now. It doesn't matter who kills you. You can hardly beat the smallscale group.

starkerealm

GoodFella146 wrote: »

Well when you can run 33k spell resist and 30k health but can still get immediately solo 1-shot from stealth that's a problem with the game

That's still only half the story, 50% mitigation is great, but it doesn't matter if you're being burst for 40k (raw) and you only had 18k health. Health is almost more important than mitigation, and crit resist is important beyond that.

Bealeb319

pleximus wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

It is my belief that invis of any sort don't belong in PVP. But that won't be a very popular opinion. I can't stand gankers.

That said, whenever I do go into IC, I go in on a tank. There is nothing better in PVP than going in on a tank, having a ganker fail to bomb you, and locking him up in CC so he can't get away until other allies come along and kill him.

THIS is the insulting part: I fought the boss for 10 minutes, having fun, and all of a sudden a person WALKS up to me, kills me and walks off. I can't even describe how angry it makes me game or no game! It's just insulting!

And it feels like you don't consider the gratitude the other player felt. Maybe it was their first ever pvp kill.

Alucardo

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

It is my belief that invis of any sort don't belong in PVP. But that won't be a very popular opinion. I can't stand gankers.

You'd be surprised. It's probably more popular than you think. Personally I think it's a cheap mechanic that also doesn't belong in PvP. Let them stealth around as much as they like in PvE, but not in PvP.
If I were in charge, stealth would work similar to other games with rogue-like characters. You can stealth whenever you want when not in combat, but once you decide to engage you need to commit. Give them an ULTIMATE that provides stealth which can't be countered by AOEs/detect pots for a few seconds so they can get away after a decent fight. Sounds powerful, but they'd be giving up an incap for some evasion, which is fair imho.

Sarannah

Personally I feel stealthing isn't that wrong a mechanic. But players should not be able to gank and then re-stealth and re-attack, and I feel stealth detection should be unlimited. Having magelight activated should show ALL stealthers, whereever and however far they are away. As if you are looking with eyes that can see everything. This would make overall combat much more fair.

Hotdog_23

pleximus wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

It is my belief that invis of any sort don't belong in PVP. But that won't be a very popular opinion. I can't stand gankers.

That said, whenever I do go into IC, I go in on a tank. There is nothing better in PVP than going in on a tank, having a ganker fail to bomb you, and locking him up in CC so he can't get away until other allies come along and kill him.

THIS is the insulting part: I fought the boss for 10 minutes, having fun, and all of a sudden a person WALKS up to me, kills me and walks off. I can't even describe how angry it makes me game or no game! It's just insulting!

Have to say I agree nothing is more aggravating then doing a district boss in ICP and getting the boss down to like 20-30% solo or even lower just to get ganked by somebody. Just disrespectful in my opinion. At least let me finish and loot the boss then gank to your heart content but don’t be an *** about it. Get that it’s PVP and don’t mind dying in it but have respect for your fellow gamer.

Once me and two other player each from a difference alliance was doing a ICP boss each being carful not to hit the other player got the boss down to like 10-15% and a bomber comes in to kill us. Get me right away and the other guy in another second or two. Didn’t even help the guy from his own alliance finish the boss and just kept on moving.

Stay safe everyone and ZOS please fix the green tree micromanaging

AuraNebula

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

God every time this happens you guys go crying again. Enough with this. Please go learn to play. Go with a group or build your character tanky. It doesnt even have to be nightblades thats ganking you.

A warden can jump on you shalks+dizzy+dawnbreaker you and you will be dead.

You say just make our builds tanky, but then we get posts like this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/579985/please-stop-with-the-tanks-in-imperial-city#latest

So we can't win whatever we do

All you guys are trying to do is get a class completely removed from imperial city. Or some posts are to ban bombers from the game entirely. Learn how to counter. Stop going full damage and put some stuff into resistances. If you're walking around with 25k health on any character, you're gonna get bombed.

AuraNebula

Sarannah wrote: »

Personally I feel stealthing isn't that wrong a mechanic. But players should not be able to gank and then re-stealth and re-attack, and I feel stealth detection should be unlimited. Having magelight activated should show ALL stealthers, whereever and however far they are away. As if you are looking with eyes that can see everything. This would make overall combat much more fair.

If stealth detection was unlimited then there would be no point in using stealth.

If we are getting rid of a class identifying abilities let's get rid of a sorcs shield and streak, templars breath of life and jabs, warden's Betty netch....

You see the point?

hakan

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

God every time this happens you guys go crying again. Enough with this. Please go learn to play. Go with a group or build your character tanky. It doesnt even have to be nightblades thats ganking you.

A warden can jump on you shalks+dizzy+dawnbreaker you and you will be dead.

You say just make our builds tanky, but then we get posts like this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/579985/please-stop-with-the-tanks-in-imperial-city#latest

So we can't win whatever we do

and? did zos acted upon on it?

we have the least grindy mmorpg out here and people act like its grindier than bdo or other korean mmos, so what? that doesnt make them right.

Parasaurolophus

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

pleximus wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

It is my belief that invis of any sort don't belong in PVP. But that won't be a very popular opinion. I can't stand gankers.

That said, whenever I do go into IC, I go in on a tank. There is nothing better in PVP than going in on a tank, having a ganker fail to bomb you, and locking him up in CC so he can't get away until other allies come along and kill him.

THIS is the insulting part: I fought the boss for 10 minutes, having fun, and all of a sudden a person WALKS up to me, kills me and walks off. I can't even describe how angry it makes me game or no game! It's just insulting!

Have to say I agree nothing is more aggravating then doing a district boss in ICP and getting the boss down to like 20-30% solo or even lower just to get ganked by somebody. Just disrespectful in my opinion. At least let me finish and loot the boss then gank to your heart content but don’t be an *** about it. Get that it’s PVP and don’t mind dying in it but have respect for your fellow gamer.

Once me and two other player each from a difference alliance was doing a ICP boss each being carful not to hit the other player got the boss down to like 10-15% and a bomber comes in to kill us. Get me right away and the other guy in another second or two. Didn’t even help the guy from his own alliance finish the boss and just kept on moving.

Stay safe everyone and ZOS please fix the green tree micromanaging

Wardens or necromancers can come to you in the same way and kill you during the battle with the bosso. It is unlikely that you will have a chance to escape. Why does everyone throw stones only in NB?

amm7sb14_ESO

hakan wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

God every time this happens you guys go crying again. Enough with this. Please go learn to play. Go with a group or build your character tanky. It doesnt even have to be nightblades thats ganking you.

A warden can jump on you shalks+dizzy+dawnbreaker you and you will be dead.

You say just make our builds tanky, but then we get posts like this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/579985/please-stop-with-the-tanks-in-imperial-city#latest

So we can't win whatever we do

and? did zos acted upon on it?

we have the least grindy mmorpg out here and people act like its grindier than bdo or other korean mmos, so what? that doesnt make them right.

And is this thread getting Nightblades banned?

hakan

btw the guy the guy that complains about tanks also hates nbs so go figure.

starkerealm

BrownChicken wrote: »

Wardens or necromancers can come to you in the same way and kill you during the battle with the bosso. It is unlikely that you will have a chance to escape. Why does everyone throw stones only in NB?

Because Nightblades psychologically disrupt their power fantasy. They go into PvP expecting an extended slug fest. That's what they mean when they're asking for, "a fair fight." They then get sulky when they run into real tanky builds, that can soak off incoming abuse, and throw a fit when they're shanked fro the shadows by someone optimized for stabbing. At that point, "if it came from the shadows it must be a nightblade, because no one else can stealth." Even though that's a base game functionality.

It's not even that, "wardens or necromancers can come to kill you," Templars have a frighteningly potent alpha strike out of stealth.

It's specifically players who don't understand the classes, looking at nightblades as, "the rogue," and then throwing a neverending tantrum because they refuse to consider a game environment that involves the classes that actually exist, instead of a Warrior/Mage/Rogue setup.

Hotdog_23

BrownChicken wrote: »

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

pleximus wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

It is my belief that invis of any sort don't belong in PVP. But that won't be a very popular opinion. I can't stand gankers.

That said, whenever I do go into IC, I go in on a tank. There is nothing better in PVP than going in on a tank, having a ganker fail to bomb you, and locking him up in CC so he can't get away until other allies come along and kill him.

THIS is the insulting part: I fought the boss for 10 minutes, having fun, and all of a sudden a person WALKS up to me, kills me and walks off. I can't even describe how angry it makes me game or no game! It's just insulting!

Have to say I agree nothing is more aggravating then doing a district boss in ICP and getting the boss down to like 20-30% solo or even lower just to get ganked by somebody. Just disrespectful in my opinion. At least let me finish and loot the boss then gank to your heart content but don’t be an *** about it. Get that it’s PVP and don’t mind dying in it but have respect for your fellow gamer.

Once me and two other player each from a difference alliance was doing a ICP boss each being carful not to hit the other player got the boss down to like 10-15% and a bomber comes in to kill us. Get me right away and the other guy in another second or two. Didn’t even help the guy from his own alliance finish the boss and just kept on moving.

Stay safe everyone and ZOS please fix the green tree micromanaging

Wardens or necromancers can come to you in the same way and kill you during the battle with the bosso. It is unlikely that you will have a chance to escape. Why does everyone throw stones only in NB?

Get that this thread is about NB’s, but I didn't single out NB's in my post. Talking in general sense of at least having respect for fellow gamer. You are correct about Wardens and necromancers but really the same can be said for any class. Personally, glad to see the upcoming changes on Proximity Detonation.

Stay safe everyone and ZOS please fix the green tree micromanaging

Morgha_Kul

I've seen it many times over the years, in many games. The worst one was City of Heroes, with the Stalker class.

The result of having a class of characters who can lurk invisibly and kill opponents who don't have a chance to defend themselves is empty zones full of invisible characters. It kills PvP, such as it is.

No one wants to be cannon fodder for someone else's fun. In the final analysis, everyone is here for their OWN entertainment. That means everyone wants to have a reasonable chance for success. Everyone needs to be competitive. Stalkers and other invisible classes take that away, and so no one bothers to play.

I've said it many times across decades of gaming... but no one ever pays any attention, or learns from the history of things.

hakan

the only thing that kills pvp here is trash performance and bugs. nothing else.

Malpheus_Prime

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

There's not sporting competition in ganking someone who is pre-occupied or doesn't know what's coming.

Tell that to every hunter on the planet.

red_emu

That's just the nature of PvP in this game. It's like complaining that another player clicked on the chest faster to Farm a lead for a mythic or that a group of players killed a world boss in seconds and you were denied the drop.

Nightblades were always hard to balance in this in game due to their spammable invisibility but don't worry, your cries have been heard. ZOS is updating how invisibility works and swinging the pendulum the other way to ensure NBs are useless in PvP once more 😉

Sephyr

Malpheus_Prime wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

There's not sporting competition in ganking someone who is pre-occupied or doesn't know what's coming.

Tell that to every hunter on the planet.

Yeah. It's also apparently 'disrespectful' to use an opportunity to my advantage because I didn't wait for them to kill what they were killing.

And people claiming that there's zero chance to defend themselves with stealth gameplay really tell me how often counters are actually used. I appreciate those folks in the thread telling me how to kill them in Cyrodiil and the IC.

As far as NBs being useless, given how people are talking in multiple threads (including this one) talk — it's likely they still won't employ the counters to any stealth mechanic so I'll still be ganking/bombing them until they start.