Major Protection on Revealing Flare. What?!

Gamerscape2007

Revealing Flare: This ability and its morphs now prevent stealth and invisibility for 4 seconds, up from 3 seconds.
This ability and its morphs now passively grant Major Protection while slotted to ensure they do not feel lackluster to slot when not actively trying to deny stealth or invisibility, similarly to Magelight or Expert Hunter granting Major buffs.

I hope this is some kind of sick joke. Major protection? Just by slotting in this skill? Are you out of your mind?! So you're telling me, You're going to give everyone. EVERYONE Both minor protection via Temporal guard, and major protection from Revealing flare, Giving EVERYONE a total of free 15% damage reduction? Even after buffing the damage reduction buff from battle spirit? I had to double take this skill to make sure I wasn't seeing things. Why? Why in god name did you think this is a good idea? Revealing Flare might as well make sets like Pirate Skeleton, or skills like permafrost obsolete. Why would I ever use them if I have this? Please don't let this change go live, I beg of you.

Alucardo

Don't forget about major maim on Frost Clench (:

Grandchamp1989

It's actually one of the few changes I enjoy.
The original major protection got nerfed by 66% so it's a watered down version we have now.
So having easier access to it makes sense.

I no longer have to slot useless abilities in the case I "MIGHT" fight a NB. (finally!!)
It's a very good change that actually benefit us even when we're not fighting the invisible people.

On top of that it will be very useful in certain PvE content on Tanks.

I applaud this change.

Marchastre

And the same minor maim from the chilled status that will be guaranteed

... Or even the new Deliberation passive that gives a 30% that stacks with Major/Minor protection

CaptainVenom

15% reduction isn't that much... major protection used to give you 30% reduction. Things would somewhat overpowered (I said somewhat) if it's used by a Necromancer with Spirit Guardian. And again, they would need to sacrifice like 2-3 abilities (ultimate included) for it.

So, please calm down

Fawn4287

Dropping my defensive set for an offensive set and running this with temporal backbar, medium armour changes are literally a PvP nerfing for everything except a major buff to cloak spamming stamblade (probably 95%+ of the people playing it). I suppose when every man and his dog is running revealing flare it will reintroduce a very solid skill gap to stamblade whilst simultaneously bringing a very tanky meta back.

Tommy_The_Gun

10% dmg mitigation just for slotting a skill ?! whaat ?

This is insane. It is an equivalent of 7K armour. Not even 5pcs set bonus gives something like that. Not even Gaze of Sithis or Mighty Chudan

And you can actually stack it. Yep, you can have 33K armour that is 50% dmg mitigation and slot this to have additional 10%.

What are they thinking lol...

Grandchamp1989

You can literally spot the NB players in this thread xDDDD

Lughlongarm

Very extreme passive. Wonder if players will slot this skill for the passive only.

Tommy_The_Gun

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

You can literally spot the NB players in this thread xDDDD

But NBs will slot it also lol. It is too good not to have it - if it will stay like this that is. it does not matter if it is a stealth counter or not. 10% additional dmg mitigation on a squishy build is definitely worth it, even more so than on a tanky build.

I mean, every one will probably use it in PvP. It is just too good not to.... even if you are not planing to use that flare, you have 10% dmg mitigation (+/- 7K armour) for free...

NagualV

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

You can literally spot the NB players in this thread xDDDD

But NBs will slot it also lol. It is too good not to have it - if it will stay like this that is. it does not matter if it is a stealth counter or not. 10% additional dmg mitigation on a squishy build is definitely worth it, even more so than on a tanky build.

I mean, every one will probably use it in PvP. It is just too good not to.... even if you are not planing to use that flare, you have 10% dmg mitigation (+/- 7K armour) for free...

As a squishy NB, I'm definitely thinking about slotting it.....

jaws343

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

You can literally spot the NB players in this thread xDDDD

But NBs will slot it also lol. It is too good not to have it - if it will stay like this that is. it does not matter if it is a stealth counter or not. 10% additional dmg mitigation on a squishy build is definitely worth it, even more so than on a tanky build.

I mean, every one will probably use it in PvP. It is just too good not to.... even if you are not planing to use that flare, you have 10% dmg mitigation (+/- 7K armour) for free...

You'll need it slotted because everyone is also going to be running Inner Beast.

It also doesn't just give Major Protection, it gives 10% mag recovery from the Support Skills passive as well.

Solariken

The buff should be for X seconds after casting so you at least have to spend Magicka and a GCD to get it

CleymenZero

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

10% dmg mitigation just for slotting a skill ?! whaat ?

This is insane. It is an equivalent of 7K armour. Not even 5pcs set bonus gives something like that. Not even Gaze of Sithis or Mighty Chudan

And you can actually stack it. Yep, you can have 33K armour that is 50% dmg mitigation and slot this to have additional 10%.

What are they thinking lol...

Buffer of the Swift.

BalticBlues

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

It's actually one of the few changes I enjoy.

Me too. Finally it's worth to sacrifice an entire slot for this detection skill.
The other detection skills also have similar beef to make them worthwhile to slot.

Tommy_The_Gun

jaws343 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

You can literally spot the NB players in this thread xDDDD

But NBs will slot it also lol. It is too good not to have it - if it will stay like this that is. it does not matter if it is a stealth counter or not. 10% additional dmg mitigation on a squishy build is definitely worth it, even more so than on a tanky build.

I mean, every one will probably use it in PvP. It is just too good not to.... even if you are not planing to use that flare, you have 10% dmg mitigation (+/- 7K armour) for free...

You'll need it slotted because everyone is also going to be running Inner Beast.

It also doesn't just give Major Protection, it gives 10% mag recovery from the Support Skills passive as well.

Inner Beast looks pretty busted too. I mean it is way better than Mark Target. it is kinda ridiculous that ranged taunt from a guild skill line is actually better than a class skill that was meant to be a de-buff for the enemy. Mark reduces armour by around 6K (8 - 9% more dmg taken) while Inner Beast gives 15% more dmg taken (10K armour pen) while also it deals dmg and has a auto-synergy that deals dmg...

Is it just me or Guild / Weapon / Armour skills should not be better than class skill ? I remember ZOS saying something like that.

relentless_turnip

I can't justify having camo hunter a lot of the time on my bar I definetly cannot see making room for this without swapping to pots for other major buffs or dumbing down my rotations massively.

This didn't excite me at all. With the way percentage based mitigation stacks the more you have the less useful each source is. Battlespirit is included as a source of mitigation. All are applied multiplicatively.

katorga

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I can't justify having camo hunter a lot of the time on my bar I definetly cannot see making room for this without swapping to pots for other major buffs or dumbing down my rotations massively.

This didn't excite me at all. With the way percentage based mitigation stacks the more you have the less useful each source is. Battlespirit is included as a source of mitigation. All are applied multiplicatively.

Bingo. Diminishing returns hit hard, and there are a LOT of sources of % damage reduction. What is means for me is that my mag sorc has effectively the same damage reduction as my necro. When everything is mathed out, Spirit Guardian's 10% only nets me 2-3% actual increased damage reduction, so I can swap to Mender for massively increased heals.

Or I can drop damage reduction CP for increased damage stars, healing stars, etc.

Major maim on clench will have a larger impact.

Firstmep

Alucardo wrote: »

Don't forget about major maim on Frost Clench (:

And the battle spirit buff.
Another 30% while meditating and/or undeath if vamp.
Looking like a fun patch ahead.
We are going from 1 hit KOs to tank meta.

jaws343

katorga wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I can't justify having camo hunter a lot of the time on my bar I definetly cannot see making room for this without swapping to pots for other major buffs or dumbing down my rotations massively.

This didn't excite me at all. With the way percentage based mitigation stacks the more you have the less useful each source is. Battlespirit is included as a source of mitigation. All are applied multiplicatively.

Bingo. Diminishing returns hit hard, and there are a LOT of sources of % damage reduction. What is means for me is that my mag sorc has effectively the same damage reduction as my necro. When everything is mathed out, Spirit Guardian's 10% only nets me 2-3% actual increased damage reduction, so I can swap to Mender for massively increased heals.

Or I can drop damage reduction CP for increased damage stars, healing stars, etc.

Major maim on clench will have a larger impact.

With the changes, I am actually thinking I may drop all but one shield from my Mag Sorc next patch. I usually front bar one and back bar the other.

Replace it with revealing flare. Replace Mages Wrath with Inner Beast. Run 3/3/1 with light, med, and heavy. It will help reduce the amount of damage running 5 light takes from stam. And Front Bar Flawless Dawnbreaker for the extra spell damage from the passive and the activation.

techyeshic

Yeah, go along with the more damage reduction while CCed star; going to be hard to kill a good player. Or just a decent player. Better stack more

Xeniph

I'll be honest here. From a gankers perspective I HOPE everyone slots it. It's laughably easy to avoid the detection from. I have never, since it's inception, been hit by it unless I am ignoring it to go in for the kill or run in a breach.

Please slot this over Radiant magelight or Evil Hunter, that is all.

Grandchamp1989

Xeniph wrote: »

I'll be honest here. From a gankers perspective I HOPE everyone slots it. It's laughably easy to avoid the detection from. I have never, since it's inception, been hit by it unless I am ignoring it to go in for the kill or run in a breach.

Please slot this over Radiant magelight or Evil Hunter, that is all.

You have never been hit by it because no one wore the darn thing it was so bad xD
Now it'll probably be a different story.

Finedaible

Minor Protection would have been fine.

Major Protection will be cancer, especially to anyone playing Nightblade.

Can't wait for the new un-killable tank bs this is gonna bring along with Temporal Guard and Gaze of Sithis.

maxjapank

If it only offered Minor Protection, I doubt anyone would run it. You still have to figure out how to fit it in your bars, and it'll likely only be one-barred.

lucky_Sage

It will be slotted in most builds flex spot no reason not to

Xeniph

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

I'll be honest here. From a gankers perspective I HOPE everyone slots it. It's laughably easy to avoid the detection from. I have never, since it's inception, been hit by it unless I am ignoring it to go in for the kill or run in a breach.

Please slot this over Radiant magelight or Evil Hunter, that is all.

You have never been hit by it because no one wore the darn thing it was so bad xD
Now it'll probably be a different story.

Uhh, this thing is slotted everywhere on greyhost NA. Don't ask me why but a bunch of noobies use it lol

DrSlaughtr

Hunter and Mage Light give you buffs you can get from potions. They're there for convenience and you don't run them for reveal.

It's bs to give protection to revealing flare

WrathOfInnos

TheEndBringer wrote: »

Hunter and Mage Light give you buffs you can get from potions. They're there for convenience and you don't run them for reveal.

It's bs to give protection to revealing flare

Potions also have an opportunity cost. Hunter and Magelight can be used to free you from needing Crit potions, and there are some interesting defensive options that can compete with Major Protection.

EF321

TheEndBringer wrote: »

Hunter and Mage Light give you buffs you can get from potions. They're there for convenience and you don't run them for reveal.

It's bs to give protection to revealing flare

Which potion increases my max magicka?

Spurius_Lucilius

I suggest that it grant minor evasion. Other than warden’s wing there is nothing in the game that provides this buff and it is less powerful than major protection