So the endeavours... again...

Morgha_Kul

So, today there's only 2 endeavours I can do.
I'm not a wretched thief, so no heists.
I'm not a bloody murderer, so no sacraments.
I'm not interested in PvP, and have no interest in being cannon fodder for someone else's fun, so no Cyrodiil.

That leaves the Chests (no problem) and the Reptiles.
Interestingly, after doing Wayrest Sewers I, apparently the Alligator Boss isn't a reptile.
Neither are any of the Dunerippers in Volenfell.
Neither are any of the many Argonians I killed in both dungeons.

Disappointing.

There shouldn't be multiple endeavours on any given day that require a particular role or guild (or PvX). No more than one from any guild or particular role, keep as many as possible as general as possible (things like killing reptiles, opening chests, harvesting materials, etc. that can be done by anyone, PvE or PvP).

SeaGtGruff

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So, today there's only 2 endeavours I can do.
I'm not a wretched thief, so no heists.
I'm not a bloody murderer, so no sacraments.
I'm not interested in PvP, and have no interest in being cannon fodder for someone else's fun, so no Cyrodiil.

That leaves the Chests (no problem) and the Reptiles.
Interestingly, after doing Wayrest Sewers I, apparently the Alligator Boss isn't a reptile.
Neither are any of the Dunerippers in Volenfell.
Neither are any of the many Argonians I killed in both dungeons.

Disappointing.

There shouldn't be multiple endeavours on any given day that require a particular role or guild (or PvX). No more than one from any guild or particular role, keep as many as possible as general as possible (things like killing reptiles, opening chests, harvesting materials, etc. that can be done by anyone, PvE or PvP).

I'm sorry you can only do 2 of the 5. However, if you've still got time to log in and play, you might want to consider giving the Cheydinhal endeavor a try. On PC EU all 3 alliances were coexisting peacefully and even cooperating together so everybody could do the Cheydinhal dailies without having to deal with any PvP. It was a beautiful thing. There are still several hours left before the daily endeavors change.

Sylvermynx

Shadowfen is littered with reptiles Morgha. I got 5 in about 2 minutes running through Forsaken Hamlet. On 4 characters - 2 accounts on both PC megaservers.

Hapexamendios

The Cheydinhal one isn't that bad. The town is not an objective, ie no flags.

Morgha_Kul

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Shadowfen is littered with reptiles Morgha. I got 5 in about 2 minutes running through Forsaken Hamlet. On 4 characters - 2 accounts on both PC megaservers.

Ya, I got them quickly too, I was just pointing out that there are a whole lot of reptiles that don't count as reptiles. They may want to fix that.

Sylvermynx

Oh, I hadn't run across that! I killed durzog, giant snakes, and crocs. Because of course, Shadowfen is literally LITTERED with them....

Amerises

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So, today there's only 2 endeavours I can do.
I'm not a wretched thief, so no heists.
I'm not a bloody murderer, so no sacraments.
I'm not interested in PvP, and have no interest in being cannon fodder for someone else's fun, so no Cyrodiil.

That leaves the Chests (no problem) and the Reptiles.
Interestingly, after doing Wayrest Sewers I, apparently the Alligator Boss isn't a reptile.
Neither are any of the Dunerippers in Volenfell.
Neither are any of the many Argonians I killed in both dungeons.

Disappointing.

There shouldn't be multiple endeavours on any given day that require a particular role or guild (or PvX). No more than one from any guild or particular role, keep as many as possible as general as possible (things like killing reptiles, opening chests, harvesting materials, etc. that can be done by anyone, PvE or PvP).

I'm sorry you can only do 2 of the 5. However, if you've still got time to log in and play, you might want to consider giving the Cheydinhal endeavor a try. On PC EU all 3 alliances were coexisting peacefully and even cooperating together so everybody could do the Cheydinhal dailies without having to deal with any PvP. It was a beautiful thing. There are still several hours left before the daily endeavors change.

Yeah, not in 'Merica...

Flex_Mentallo

Hapexamendios wrote: »

The Cheydinhal one isn't that bad. The town is not an objective, ie no flags.

Yup did my one quest on Gray Host not a single player around. I’m DC too so I was deep in EP land but guess everyone was busy fighting at keeps. Was ready to pop an invis potion and bail if need be but nothing. Took all of 2 mins to get my endeavor and two event tickets.

renne

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So, today there's only 2 endeavours I can do.
I'm not a wretched thief, so no heists.
I'm not a bloody murderer, so no sacraments.
I'm not interested in PvP, and have no interest in being cannon fodder for someone else's fun, so no Cyrodiil.

That leaves the Chests (no problem) and the Reptiles.
Interestingly, after doing Wayrest Sewers I, apparently the Alligator Boss isn't a reptile.
Neither are any of the Dunerippers in Volenfell.
Neither are any of the many Argonians I killed in both dungeons.

Disappointing.

There shouldn't be multiple endeavours on any given day that require a particular role or guild (or PvX). No more than one from any guild or particular role, keep as many as possible as general as possible (things like killing reptiles, opening chests, harvesting materials, etc. that can be done by anyone, PvE or PvP).

There's not "only" two you can do. You literally say you choose not to do the sacrament or the heist or go into a PvP zone, so... you're the one choosing not to do stuff and if you're going to do that then maybe you need to accept that there are just going to be days where you can't do all three.

NettleCarrier

Can always make a character to do the "bad" stuff if you need to fit your head-cannon for your good natured character.

Zenzuki

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Oh, I hadn't run across that! I killed durzog, giant snakes, and crocs. Because of course, Shadowfen is literally LITTERED with them....

Got mine done only killing Kagouti

FluffWit

These Cyrodiil town questing ones are just awful. We had guys in pvp chat today asking us to bring a full zerg to Cheydenhall to protect them so they could hand in their quests. And that was on Ebonheart. Feel bad for them but even worse for anyone on yellow or blue who was riding the entire way to Cheydenhall to do one quest for their endeavour.

Personally I did the kill reptiles and the loot chests. Then thought about how much effort would be required to do a heist or sacrament and decided I simply couldn't be bothered.

You've really gotta ask yourself guys- is what they're asking me to do with the effort for what your getting out of it? Today for me the answer was yes on 2 choices and no on any of the other 3 options.

shadyjane62

I feel this way about the weekly endeavors. I don't do dungeons, battlegrounds or arenas. But it's ok I'll just skip the weekly today. I did last weeks in 20 minutes so I guess it all evens out. The rewards are not enuf to make me slog thru the dungeons solo ever again.

Starlight_Whisper

shadyjane62 wrote: »

I feel this way about the weekly endeavors. I don't do dungeons, battlegrounds or arenas. But it's ok I'll just skip the weekly today. I did last weeks in 20 minutes so I guess it all evens out. The rewards are not enuf to make me slog thru the dungeons solo ever again.

Battlegrounds are fun you should try it. They have a lot of rewards to them too

FrancisCrawford

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So, today there's only 2 endeavours I can do.
I'm not a wretched thief, so no heists.
I'm not a bloody murderer, so no sacraments.
I'm not interested in PvP, and have no interest in being cannon fodder for someone else's fun, so no Cyrodiil.

That leaves the Chests (no problem) and the Reptiles.
Interestingly, after doing Wayrest Sewers I, apparently the Alligator Boss isn't a reptile.
Neither are any of the Dunerippers in Volenfell.
Neither are any of the many Argonians I killed in both dungeons.

Disappointing.

There shouldn't be multiple endeavours on any given day that require a particular role or guild (or PvX). No more than one from any guild or particular role, keep as many as possible as general as possible (things like killing reptiles, opening chests, harvesting materials, etc. that can be done by anyone, PvE or PvP).

I'm sorry you can only do 2 of the 5. However, if you've still got time to log in and play, you might want to consider giving the Cheydinhal endeavor a try. On PC EU all 3 alliances were coexisting peacefully and even cooperating together so everybody could do the Cheydinhal dailies without having to deal with any PvP. It was a beautiful thing. There are still several hours left before the daily endeavors change.

I had both experiences in Cheydinhal. At one point all three alliances were coexisting fine, and I was the closest thing to a problem out of sheer carelessness (AoE and a warden bear). I put the bear away so a DC player could turn his quest in in peace -- and got killed by another DCer before I could turn the next quest in.

DarcyMardin

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So, today there's only 2 endeavours I can do.
I'm not a wretched thief, so no heists.
I'm not a bloody murderer, so no sacraments.
I'm not interested in PvP, and have no interest in being cannon fodder for someone else's fun, so no Cyrodiil.

That leaves the Chests (no problem) and the Reptiles.
Interestingly, after doing Wayrest Sewers I, apparently the Alligator Boss isn't a reptile.
Neither are any of the Dunerippers in Volenfell.
Neither are any of the many Argonians I killed in both dungeons.

Disappointing.

There shouldn't be multiple endeavours on any given day that require a particular role or guild (or PvX). No more than one from any guild or particular role, keep as many as possible as general as possible (things like killing reptiles, opening chests, harvesting materials, etc. that can be done by anyone, PvE or PvP).

I'm sorry you can only do 2 of the 5. However, if you've still got time to log in and play, you might want to consider giving the Cheydinhal endeavor a try. On PC EU all 3 alliances were coexisting peacefully and even cooperating together so everybody could do the Cheydinhal dailies without having to deal with any PvP. It was a beautiful thing. There are still several hours left before the daily endeavors change.

I had both experiences in Cheydinhal. At one point all three alliances were coexisting fine, and I was the closest thing to a problem out of sheer carelessness (AoE and a warden bear). I put the bear away so a DC player could turn his quest in in peace -- and got killed by another DCer before I could turn the next quest in.

I got ganked twice in Cheydinhal while trying to turn in the quest. Most other players of all 3 alliances were leaving enemy players alone, but there was one guy who was only out for blood. Mercifully, I was on an EP character, so the ride back wasn’t bad either time. Might be painful for an AD or DC player, though.

Sylvermynx

Oy. I only do stuff that I'd do anyway - and really, I don't have a clue at this point how many SoE I have accrued.... honestly I don't even care.

Because.... y'know.... there's really nothing I expect to get from this system. Serious. I've got over 400 gems on my first PC NA account - and there's nothing I want to spend them on.

YMMV of course.

danno8

I hope we move past these daily "I don't like to do X" endeavor threads.

I think you either just do whatever one's are easy for you and take your lesser reward, or put in the effort/RP sacrifice or whatever in order to get the full reward.

It's random, and it's not going to please everyone all the time.

trackdemon5512

danno8 wrote: »

I hope we move past these daily "I don't like to do X" endeavor threads.

I think you either just do whatever one's are easy for you and take your lesser reward, or put in the effort/RP sacrifice or whatever in order to get the full reward.

It's random, and it's not going to please everyone all the time.

I’m waiting for the “I don’t like to claim my daily rewards so can you please just deliver them to me” post…

trackdemon5512

Can I point out that basically every day ZOS has an endeavor during this event that’s not only easy but gets you both points AND tickets?

Reverb

A day doesn’t cater to your personal, and extremely narrow, preferences. The horror.

SilverBride

I'm glad there is a wide variety of choices even if I don't like some of them. This way there is something for everyone.

what_the

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So, today there's only 2 endeavours I can do.
I'm not a wretched thief, so no heists.
I'm not a bloody murderer, so no sacraments.
I'm not interested in PvP, and have no interest in being cannon fodder for someone else's fun, so no Cyrodiil.

Disappointing.

So, it's not that you can't do them, you just don't want to do them....mmm..ok...

Lugaldu

Either way, it turns out that not all tasks can be done "on the side" or automatically during normal gaming. Yesterday I wasn't in the mood for robbery and murder, but in the end I did it to get the endeavors (so it already got me, even if I wanted to ignore them ...). I don't have a chance with the weekly tasks because it is far too time-consuming, I only say 30 world bosses... I play at most an hour a day, so no way to make it.

MrGhosty

While my strategist self doesn't like the fact the amount of seals we get each day changes making it impossible to reliably plot how long it will take me to reach a specific value, I've actually been impressed with the variety they've pulled out so far. This gives a reason to maybe try something new or get back into something that might have fallen by the wayside. If most of them aren't to a personal taste the option exists to either do them anyway or make peace with the fact you will earn fewer rewards today (it's a bit like the PvP centric event we're having where I have to do content I don't love in order to get my shinies, much how PvPers have to do pve content the rest of the year to get their shinies.)

Morgha_Kul

what_the wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So, today there's only 2 endeavours I can do.
I'm not a wretched thief, so no heists.
I'm not a bloody murderer, so no sacraments.
I'm not interested in PvP, and have no interest in being cannon fodder for someone else's fun, so no Cyrodiil.

Disappointing.

So, it's not that you can't do them, you just don't want to do them....mmm..ok...

No... I CAN'T do them. I don't do thieving. I'm not in the Thieves' Guild, so I CAN NOT do heists. I'm not in the Dark Brotherhood, so I CAN NOT do Sacraments.
Granted, I choose not to go to the PvP zone where other people can delight in stopping me from doing something that doesn't affect them in any way. But, since I can't survive more than about 2 seconds in PvP... I express that as "I can't do PvP."

They should limit the number of endeavours that are dependent on a particular faction, guild or gameplay, so that at least three will be fairly generic, that anyone can do.

For example, if there's to be 5 endeavours, they might be...

1. PvP oriented: Defeat 3 players in PvP.
2. PvE oriented: Complete 1 Dungeon.
3. Generic: Gather 5 cloth plants (can be done anywhere).
4. Generic: Defeat 10 foes with weapon skills (can be done anywhere).
5. Generic: Sell 10 items to an NPC trader (can be done anywhere).

If more than one of those generic endeavours was another PvP or PvE specific one, or if it required membership (especially high level membership) in a guild or faction, then it will make it nearly impossible for some people to accomplish the three daily endeavours.

danno8

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

what_the wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So, today there's only 2 endeavours I can do.
I'm not a wretched thief, so no heists.
I'm not a bloody murderer, so no sacraments.
I'm not interested in PvP, and have no interest in being cannon fodder for someone else's fun, so no Cyrodiil.

Disappointing.

So, it's not that you can't do them, you just don't want to do them....mmm..ok...

No... I CAN'T do them. I don't do thieving. I'm not in the Thieves' Guild, so I CAN NOT do heists. I'm not in the Dark Brotherhood, so I CAN NOT do Sacraments.
Granted, I choose not to go to the PvP zone where other people can delight in stopping me from doing something that doesn't affect them in any way. But, since I can't survive more than about 2 seconds in PvP... I express that as "I can't do PvP."

They should limit the number of endeavours that are dependent on a particular faction, guild or gameplay, so that at least three will be fairly generic, that anyone can do.

For example, if there's to be 5 endeavours, they might be...

1. PvP oriented: Defeat 3 players in PvP.
2. PvE oriented: Complete 1 Dungeon.
3. Generic: Gather 5 cloth plants (can be done anywhere).
4. Generic: Defeat 10 foes with weapon skills (can be done anywhere).
5. Generic: Sell 10 items to an NPC trader (can be done anywhere).

If more than one of those generic endeavours was another PvP or PvE specific one, or if it required membership (especially high level membership) in a guild or faction, then it will make it nearly impossible for some people to accomplish the three daily endeavours.

It helps to think of Endeavors as similar to Air Miles or other reward systems like credit card rewards.

They don't exist just to give you free stuff, they are also meant to alter your behaviors and get you to do things or buy things that you wouldn't have done otherwise.

ZoS wants you to buy content and Endeavors are a way to push you in that direction, which I think is just fine, since you can simply ignore those ones and just get your free seals.

Fennwitty

I agree with a lot of sentiment that people should get out and try other parts of the game.

But hardcore 'casual' players will need/want at least three casual, base-game activities per day to get all the seals they can.

ZoS can take that as feedback and play around with the other two available, or make more available whatever.

I won't personally go out of my way for any that seems tiresome to me on a given day, and already missed a couple here or there. But I'm reconciled to missing a few.

ApoAlaia

danno8 wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

what_the wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So, today there's only 2 endeavours I can do.
I'm not a wretched thief, so no heists.
I'm not a bloody murderer, so no sacraments.
I'm not interested in PvP, and have no interest in being cannon fodder for someone else's fun, so no Cyrodiil.

Disappointing.

So, it's not that you can't do them, you just don't want to do them....mmm..ok...

No... I CAN'T do them. I don't do thieving. I'm not in the Thieves' Guild, so I CAN NOT do heists. I'm not in the Dark Brotherhood, so I CAN NOT do Sacraments.
Granted, I choose not to go to the PvP zone where other people can delight in stopping me from doing something that doesn't affect them in any way. But, since I can't survive more than about 2 seconds in PvP... I express that as "I can't do PvP."

They should limit the number of endeavours that are dependent on a particular faction, guild or gameplay, so that at least three will be fairly generic, that anyone can do.

For example, if there's to be 5 endeavours, they might be...

1. PvP oriented: Defeat 3 players in PvP.
2. PvE oriented: Complete 1 Dungeon.
3. Generic: Gather 5 cloth plants (can be done anywhere).
4. Generic: Defeat 10 foes with weapon skills (can be done anywhere).
5. Generic: Sell 10 items to an NPC trader (can be done anywhere).

If more than one of those generic endeavours was another PvP or PvE specific one, or if it required membership (especially high level membership) in a guild or faction, then it will make it nearly impossible for some people to accomplish the three daily endeavours.

It helps to think of Endeavors as similar to Air Miles or other reward systems like credit card rewards.

They don't exist just to give you free stuff, they are also meant to alter your behaviors and get you to do things or buy things that you wouldn't have done otherwise.

ZoS wants you to buy content and Endeavors are a way to push you in that direction, which I think is just fine, since you can simply ignore those ones and just get your free seals.

After giving it some thought that is my - somewhat - educated guess.

The daily reward doesn't really involve a lot of engagement, you are not really participating in content in any shape or form.

Endeavours do encourage participation and they do steer you towards whatever the relevant team has determined is most beneficial to their goals.

In essence they exist to aid in meeting whichever target(s) they have set [themselves or otherwise] and they way to coax us into collaborating is to toss those coins our way.

Tan9oSuccka

[snip]

Just because YOU don’t like doing certain endeavors, maybe someone else does?

[edited for baiting]

Sanctum74

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

I hope we move past these daily "I don't like to do X" endeavor threads.

I think you either just do whatever one's are easy for you and take your lesser reward, or put in the effort/RP sacrifice or whatever in order to get the full reward.

It's random, and it's not going to please everyone all the time.

I’m waiting for the “I don’t like to claim my daily rewards so can you please just deliver them to me” post…

Believe it or not there were many people raging in the forums after they started it because they would forget to claim the daily or were too busy to log in so zos caved in and now the big reward is in the middle of the month instead of the end.