Teammates ignore objectives and deathmatch mindlessly

SkaraMinoc

The past week is nothing but toxic players ignoring objectives and deathmatching the entire game. It's causing major losses for everyone and ruining battlegrounds. I got yelled at and called an "objective player" for capturing the flag. Seriously?

Raeyleigh

Most pvpers prefer deathmatch because it acutally incentivises playing pvp instead of running around. But there is no dm queue anymore and the chance to get one is just 20%, so ignoring objective modes is the only solution.

MurderMostFoul

Better title:

ZOS ignores PVPers and forces them to play objective BGs endlessly.

Rhaegar75

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

The past week is nothing but toxic players ignoring objectives and deathmatching the entire game. It's causing major losses for everyone and ruining battlegrounds. I got yelled at and called an "objective player" for capturing the flag. Seriously?

Being yelled at for playing a game is wrong.....whatever you are doing, however you are doing it.

However, in my opinion toxic is something different: tea-bagging, nerd raging, people losing their sh@@ when they don't win etc.....I simply cannot stand this [snip] and sadly there is plenty of it in BGs...Cyro is a lot more chilled in my opinion.

If a player is not super keen on the objective? I'm not that bothered to be honest as long as they fight and they kill/heal when they need to.

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Alchimiste1

Every Match Is Team Death Match

Urzigurumash

Give points for Ks in all modes and everybody is happy. If you want to sprint around the perimeter of a Domination match, go right ahead, if you want to sit on the middle flag and spam AoEs, you can do that too.

Or fill all the holes on the maps and give us 1 patch of Chaosball only with scored off-ball Ks. In my opinion Chaosball is the most consistently competitive match type since it persuades all 12 players to congregate better than any other type.

Thuragan

My experience has been the same. BGs are absolutely broken right now.

Every single day I see the same people over and over again in the BGs. Those people are all rank 40-50 Grand Overlords and such, completely steamrolling everyone. I'm only rank 21 on one of my characters, how am I being queued with them? Is there not enough population? Is MMR broken? Not only that, but they don't play objectives, all they do is kill.


I used to somewhat enjoy BGs but it's completely not fun right now and a very bad experience. Really disappointed.

alberichtano

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

The past week is nothing but toxic players ignoring objectives and deathmatching the entire game. It's causing major losses for everyone and ruining battlegrounds. I got yelled at and called an "objective player" for capturing the flag. Seriously?

Gah, I hate that. I play battlegrounds to gain points, to get the daily bonus. It gets kinda annoying to get stuck with pew-pew-pew-ers that only want to kill things, and who virtually guarantee that we get third place. :-(

YouLostToAGirl

Just left some kids vid to come read this bc tbh people who ignore objectives are absolutely awful and people who defend it are even worse. Had to do several BGs today just to get my daily done bc it was the same 10 people every round all playing death match and spending most of their time respawning lol

Jackey

My team won chaosball last night vs 2 teams that scored 0 points. They mostly just fought each other except for one guy that tried to take the ball solo.

Marcus_Aurelius

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PvP does not mean PeopleKillingPeople
Playing other games against humans IS PvP no matther what the objective is.

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If you want only to do DM ask ZoS to create a queue for that.

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divnyi

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

If you want only to do DM ask ZoS to create a queue for that.

But we did, lots of times. There are no separate queues still.

Jierdanit

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

PvP does not mean PeopleKillingPeople
Playing other games against humans IS PvP no matther what the objective is.

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If you want only to do DM ask ZoS to create a queue for that.

I think its pretty obvious that nearly everyone who plays "Deathmatch" in other modes wants ZOS to just reintroduce DM only queue lol

And also that might be your definition of PvP
In my opinion running around a map avoiding other players is no PvP.

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Skoomah

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@ZOS_RachelM Rachel, any word on whether ZOS will give us back Deathmatch queue? Look at how many people the lack of a Deathmatch queue is upsetting the community? DM queue used to be in the game. Just flip the switch back on. Give the community what it wants!

MurderMostFoul

Skoomah wrote: »

ZOS_RachelM wrote: »

Greetings!

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@ZOS_RachelM Rachel, any word on whether ZOS will give us back Deathmatch queue? Look at how many people the lack of a Deathmatch queue is upsetting the community? DM queue used to be in the game. Just flip the switch back on. Give the community what it wants!

Either of these would be an improvement:

1. Increase the frequency of Deathmatch games in current matchmaking (up to 33% to 50%).

2. Create separate Deathmatch queues, like:

Group Objective (Daily Bonus Eligible)
Solo Objective (Daily Bonus Eligible)
Group Deathmatch
Solo Deathmatch

GrigorijMalahevich

People that queue for BGs want to have a no lag PvP experience. Capturing flags and/or doing objectives is just a waste of time.

Here is an easy solution:
When BG queue procs - it should demonstrate what game mode that is and if it is not the game mode you want - you can just decline and continue searching. If you are tired of waiting for a deathmatch you can accept any mode, but ideally, much fewer people will be dissatisfied with the BG experience.

P.S. in every single BG that is not a deathmatch - people complain about someone not doing the objective - maybe it is time to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and do something about it...

We want a Deathmatch only queue!!

MrMazurski

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

The past week is nothing but toxic players ignoring objectives and deathmatching the entire game. It's causing major losses for everyone and ruining battlegrounds. I got yelled at and called an "objective player" for capturing the flag. Seriously?

I agree. I don't know what's hard about focusing on your goals. But most players focus only on killing or maybe more trying to kill someone. Last week I had to do 6 matches to do daily. Battleground has a lot more problems than the players. 0 of the system, no leagues that would increase the attractiveness of this mode. No class balance. Your character will run high mmr? Good luck if you're not Sorc. Nothing has changed for so many years.

Make a separate deathmatch queue? Other modes will die. And I personally like Crazy king or Chaosball. I have more fun than killing others

Kory

You can queue for random dungeons or specific dungeons. You can go into Cryodil or IC.
But when it comes to Battleground options are cut off, and this benefits who?

How about make Random Battleground queues have the daily bonus reward, and have the separate BG game modes be options not including the daily challenge bonuses, similar to how dungeons work.

Tessitura

I had a match the other day where my team decided to just roll around and kill everyone while they tried to capture relic. I actually enjoy it when I get those teams, nice to just not give a *** and roll around like idiot ***. Now I understand when you pug group and want to get your daily done and then you get stuck with a team like that it must suck. But we were a premade so everyone was on the same page on my team. Still made someone super fanny flustered though. Take a look.

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People apparently get mad when you do that even when it doesn't effect their daily. I guess this is what happens when you remove DM queue.

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alberichtano

Kory wrote: »

You can queue for random dungeons or specific dungeons. You can go into Cryodil or IC.
But when it comes to Battleground options are cut off, and this benefits who?

How about make Random Battleground queues have the daily bonus reward, and have the separate BG game modes be options not including the daily challenge bonuses, similar to how dungeons work.

What? Why would other BG modes NOT provide the daily bonus? This would only harm those of us who zugg at PvP, and who are better at doing objectives using tactics than at fighting.

divnyi

There should be no issue in implementing checkmarks for the modes you want, including soloQ and groupQ.

JanTanhide

Well, it happens all the time when I do BGs. Why? Well, simply because I don't know what the objectives are in anything but Deathmatch. I know I know....I should figure it out. But I play BGs very rarely and don't really care about the objectives except in Deathmatch.

Wish we could actually choose the event instead of it being random. I do realize that real PVPers get upset when us PVE types hop in BGs and don't do the objectives and I apologize for that.

Since I play that way I usually group with friends or guildies when I play BGs. But I'm sure most of us PVE types don't have that luxury and just want to do some quick BGs and queue solo.

With Midyear Mayhem I can certainly see this happening a lot more. Sorry bout that!

JanTanhide

Tessitura wrote: »

I had a match the other day where my team decided to just roll around and kill everyone while they tried to capture relics it. I actually enjoy it when I get those teams, nice to just not give a *** and roll around like idiot ***. Now I understand when when you pug group and want to get your daily done and then you get stuck with a team like that it must suck. But we were a premade so everyone was on the same page on my team. Still made someone super fanny flustered though. Take a look.
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People apparently get mad when you do that even when it doesn't effect their daily. I guess this is what happens when you remove DM queue.

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LOL. Yep, I do the same as your group did. Just want to have fun killing others. I don't really care about the objectives.

shrekt4303

Alot of ppl go where the quickest interesting thing is and dont bother looking at the map. Simply adding a mini map to the ui would help this problem imo

Chrlynsch

What is the insetive for winning BGs? Most pvp players just want to Pvp, unless you give the players an incentive to "win" the game-mode most will opt out to just pvping.

As of right now you can win some extra ap, and some junk gear that is worth more after deconstructing.

FantasticFreddie

Every game is death match if you play it right. They can't capture relics, carry a ball or stand on flags IF THEY ALL BE DED

Hanokihs

Can someone remind me what the point of bringing group-queue back (at the expense of choosing the specific game) was, if none of the groups queueing are actually interested in playing BGs correctly? Because the whole system is now more farcical than it ever was before.

Giraffon

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Every game is death match if you play it right. They can't capture relics, carry a ball or stand on flags IF THEY ALL BE DED

This has a lot of truth to it so I try to just let it be what it is and use it to the advantage of the team as best I can. I'm not going to kill 30 players in a match, but if I have a player on the team that is doing that, then great. They cut down on the "pests" as I work on the objectives.

MrMazurski

Giraffon wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

Every game is death match if you play it right. They can't capture relics, carry a ball or stand on flags IF THEY ALL BE DED

This has a lot of truth to it so I try to just let it be what it is and use it to the advantage of the team as best I can. I'm not going to kill 30 players in a match, but if I have a player on the team that is doing that, then great. They cut down on the "pests" as I work on the objectives.

I have seen hundreds of times the teams that had the most frags losing to low or even 0 scores.
Killing others at the target, (flag or ball) ok, running to kill everyone you meet just for kills? No its not way to win
More than once I had a chaosball situation where, for example, the Greens had the ball, and the Reds were ganking the Blue under resp. Strangely enough, the Greens won the match without any problems

Sephyr

Chrlynsch wrote: »

What is the insetive for winning BGs? Most pvp players just want to Pvp, unless you give the players an incentive to "win" the game-mode most will opt out to just pvping.

As of right now you can win some extra ap, and some junk gear that is worth more after deconstructing.

Some people go for the style pages as well and you only get those by winning AFAIK.