Endeavors are fine

Fhritz

I mean... I saw a LOT of people complaining about the low reward and the expensive price of the store...But keep in mind that this is free AND required almost NO grind (I've done some daily without even noticing). We have now an opportunity to have crown store item for free, sure you'll not be able to have them day 1 ! Yes, apex mount cost a lot, but they are literally the RAREST thing in the crown store ! Something you possibly can't get even with a hundred of normal crates, OF COURSES you'll not be able to have them fast ! The cost is reasonable , you may not have one for this crate season, but you'll be able to buy some next season ! And remember, it's FREE w/o grind ! Some player complained that cosmetic was almost every time in crown store, and now they complain because they can't have mount/skin/whatever as fast as they want ! Be patient guys, and don't be greedy !

Danikat

The threads will probably be merged anyway, but just in case they're not here's the reply I just put in another topic:

I'm not sure about that.

Endeavours were created to comply with Microsoft's policy on loot boxes, in particular point 2 "Items in loot boxes can always be earned through play. All items available through paid loot boxes in our games will also be available through unpaid opportunity by gameplay (i.e. grinding)."

The question is how that's intended. Do they mean you'll be able to earn any of the items but not all of them? Or do they mean 1 player should be able to get all the items in loot boxes through play if they put enough time in? Because if it's the second one then the current system falls far short of that mark and will likely need to be changed when Microsoft gets a look at it. (Which makes me wonder if Zenimax are just hoping they don't look that closely.)

Spidder81

Its not about the grind, its about how long it takes. It will take you roughly 1 year to buy a 16000 SoE mount. That is if you log in everyday for that year too and do SoE every day for a year. This was never done with players in mind. It sole purpose is to loophole around Microsofts loot box policies. Thats it.

The SoE does nothing but makes people want to buy Crown Crates even more, because it will take forever to save SoE to get anything worth having. In reality it is doing the complete opposite of what it is supposed to be doing.

Artemis_X_

They're fine in the same way 400 of the 480 odds sets in the game are fine. As in it's great they exist, but what's the point, they're close to useless to most people

Lady_Galadhiel

elastikspastik wrote: »

The SoE does nothing but makes people want to buy Crown Crates even more, because it will take forever to save SoE to get anything worth having. In reality it is doing the complete opposite of what it is supposed to be doing.

Lugaldu

When does a customer ever really get something for free? Companies are not a charity. They offer you "2 t-shirts and the third t-shirt is for free" - the "free" t-shirt comes with a price increase of the basic product, so in the end you pay for it anyway but the marketing wants that you believe that you got something for free.

ghost_bg_ESO

I would be happy if i'm able to get something at the end of the month from seals store if it will be niche mount or one weapon style or skin, or after 2 months better mount or after 4 - 5 months apex. As for collecting full set of weapons is also around 1 year not only apex mounts whit how it is now...

But even in the current rate still seals will accumulate for just doing what i usually do.

And i doubt that there are much people getting now every month all crown crate items, and it is surprising for me people to expect to get all with seals.

And as bonus there are still streamers getting/giving only ourbours crates, partly depending on them for viewers.

Balraw

Spend time or money to get what you want. Seems to be pretty standard for a lot of games these days

I am just going to do my usual stuff I do in game and not stress about endeavours. I mean I cleared today's without even looking at them. If at some point in the future i remember they exist and have enough to get something shiny yay but if no worries.

It all seems like a storm in a teacup to me, shrugs.

bmnoble

Got no issue with the top tier stuff costing a lot of seals was expecting that not expecting them to hand out radiant apex mounts for free with minimum effort, but to me the bottom 3(100, 40 and 16 gem equivalents) category's feel overpriced for what your getting IMO.

Sylvermynx

I'm not bothered - I'll get SoE for stuff I normally do, no chasing or grinding. No big deal.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

I don't even know what endeavours are lol

Guess I'll find out.

BroccoliSoda

It’s like a passive income. I’ll probably almost get them every day and then one day, I’ll be able to get a wicked mount. I understand why it was implemented (loot box policy with Microsoft) and that doesn’t really phase me.

I do blacksmithing (in real life, and very amateur at it) some days in my spare time. I could either go and pay money to buy a nice high carbon steel knife online from a knife maker, or I can put my time into making one myself if I don’t mind waiting a few months to complete it.

So, it depends. Do you have more time than money? Or more money than time? But above all, do you have more patience than time and money?

I want that Blackforge Senche. I have like 850 crown gems, so I’m halfway there with that. And at the end of today, I’ll have 105 SoE. I can either spend money on crates to close the gap to 1600 crown gems or see how many seals I have 30 days from the implementation of SoE and average it out to see if I’ll have enough by the time this crate season is over. If I don’t, and I have the spare money/gold to close the crown gem gap, I’ll go that route, if not then I’ll wait until that mount comes back into the store and save all my seals until then. Or maybe a cooler mount will come along. Who knows? All I know is, is that I’m not falling victim to the manufactured FOMO.

And remember, just because I don’t have a problem with the way it is or don’t share your individual opinion doesn’t mean I’m right or that anyone is wrong. This is just my opinion on it.

Snowstrider

Wait what? Dont be greedy? Tell that to zos

danno8

Well they could hardly have every player earning an Apex Mount every month. Within a year every player would have every Apex Mount in the game and that would be just ridiculous.

I have no problem with this system. The main problem is still, and always will be, Gambling Boxes.

Fischblut

I like Endeavors too Very grateful for this free option to get mounts!

It's interesting to read how people say that this is predatory, and this is why they want to quit the game The reason to quit the game is that they can't get Radiant Apex mount of choice for free every crate season...

How fast people have forgotten that before Ayleid season there was no way to buy Radiant Apex mounts at all. Then, after getting direct gem price tag on those mounts, we are now allowed to even get one Radiant mount for free (every year or so) That's the next best feature of the game since Gear Collection book Thank you!

Melivar

They way i see it I was never going to get an Apex or Radiant Apex mount with just crates. I rarely buy crates and when I do it is just with excess crowns from my ESO plus. and a smaller pack of them at best sometimes just a onesie twosie.

With the new system I will eventually get one of those mounts that I fancy just by doing the things I do everyday anyways at least so far. I am in no rush nor do i have an expectation to get it in a particular crate season as I will most likely still be goofing around when that one crate set I actually found something I really wanted comes back around.

No idea if I am in the minority of the player base or the majority but in any case the gotta have it crowd is gonna do what they are gonna do and the rest are just gonna smile the day they finally get that thing the wanted but didn't really wanna pay for outside of general support for the game via ESO +.

Good luck out there all. Coke and a smile

tc91101

Seems ok to me. It's pretty much a reward for logging in once a day for approx 6 months. Someone above said the price was 16,000 and it would take a year but my highest price item is 9,600 not 16,000. Also, I received 60 and no XP yesterday emblems yesterday and 45 emblems and 15k XP today. Anyway if you assume an average of 50 emblems a day for a 10,000 item then it will take 200 days or a little less than 7 months. That's not including what they eventually add for weekly. So far it's taken me at most about 5 minutes to get all 3 endeavors. Today I got 2 of them just by doing daily writs and then the 3rd I collected 8 nodes which took 5 minutes at most.

Sephyr

tc91101 wrote: »

Seems ok to me. It's pretty much a reward for logging in once a day for approx 6 months. Someone above said the price was 16,000 and it would take a year but my highest price item is 9,600 not 16,000. Also, I received 60 and no XP yesterday emblems yesterday and 45 emblems and 15k XP today. Anyway if you assume an average of 50 emblems a day for a 10,000 item then it will take 200 days or a little less than 7 months. That's not including what they eventually add for weekly. So far it's taken me at most about 5 minutes to get all 3 endeavors. Today I got 2 of them just by doing daily writs and then the 3rd I collected 8 nodes which took 5 minutes at most.

It took me a little longer, though I've heard that people used surveys for theirs so it might make that 5 minutes even faster.

As far as Endeavors are fine or not based on a 50 emblem average, I think it's still too soon to tell as they could have these higher valued daily endeavors going how they are until weeklies are released on Monday. If they still remain how they are? I think it'd be in a pretty good place. As far as simple of a system it is compared to others like SWL? I much prefer this way because I don't have to fight with the game to complete them.

RNGeeze

Youyouz06 wrote: »

I don't even know what endeavours are lol

Guess I'll find out.

Daily tasks you’ll find under the activity finder. You get 5 a day but can only complete 3 so you get some say in how it gets done. Often the task is vague and can be completed as a happy accident like harvesting resources or killing enemies using abilities. The seals earned can be used in the endeavor store which is causing the ruckus atm due to pricing of items.

amm7sb14_ESO

Lugaldu wrote: »

When does a customer ever really get something for free? Companies are not a charity. They offer you "2 t-shirts and the third t-shirt is for free" - the "free" t-shirt comes with a price increase of the basic product, so in the end you pay for it anyway but the marketing wants that you believe that you got something for free.

Having worked a long time in retail and sales myself, the details of this aren't correct (the original product isn't marked up to accommodate the sale), but the overall principal is (the "BOGO" deal gets people into the store, and they end up buying *more* stuff than just the shirts, and the added sales help offset the free shirt).

It's the same way console makers can sell the consoles at a loss, because selling the consoles ensures the sale of future products like games, controllers, or subscription services. Or big box stores like Best Buy can sell certain products at mark-down, because the loss they take on those marked down items is worth it for the rest of the revenue that is generated by having people in the store.

I remember standing in line on Black Friday hoping to get an X-Box Series X. I was probably about 10th in line. The store got 2 X-Boxes and 2 PlayStations. The consoles were never going to make it past the first 4 people in line. But the store never announced that, and they never even announced when the consoles had sold out. Because by not announcing it, they could still get people in the store. And it worked. I saw people who were there for X-Box Series X consoles walk out of the store with bags full of X-Box One merchandise, because those people were in line, got in the store, and bought *something*, giving a sale to the store that they wouldn't have had otherwise.

Ratzkifal

I can live with not being able to get everything, but as it stands it's already going to take ages to get anything!

One radiant apex per crate season if you only focus on that and buy nothing else sounds fair to me. That's one out of three and you really dedicated yourself to that hard-earned item. So you either get one expensive item or several of the "low hanging fruit". But right now it takes 6 days to even buy a set of potions! The cheap items are disproportionally expensive in the endeavor system while the expensive items are still so high up you need to save up for almost a year to get them, way longer than they are available anyway. Don't believe it? Then compare it to the crown gem costs.

To me this feature looks like someone who shows up to a homeless person with a cake in hand, asks them if they want a bit of cake every day and then proceeds to give them a just a tiny crumb and then celebrating themself as charitable and generous.
"Why are you upset? It's free food every day? I don't have to do this at all, you know, so you better be happy with what you are getting."
If you are telling me I am getting cake, then I want a slice. I am not asking for the full cake and I don't expect people to share their cake with me, but if you want to be charitable, you better actually commit to it and not half-ass it.

coop500

I don't get why ANYONE expected to get a free radiant apex or even a normal apex for free every crate season... That just sounds so insane to me.

Lugaldu

coop500 wrote: »

I don't get why ANYONE expected to get a free radiant apex or even a normal apex for free every crate season... That just sounds so insane to me.

Maybe it's not even that. Personally, I didn't expect to get an apex mount every season, but rather the opposite, that it will certainly take months before you can buy a radiant apex (even if I'm generally not interested in them).
But the principle and the ratio bothers me, because at the moment it is designed in such a way that you can only earn such a mount if you log in daily and do the tasks. If you don't have the time because you still have a life outside of ESO, then it takes years before you can get something senseful. And at the same time, the gem prices for apex mounts are getting higher and higher, what means that people have to buy even more crown crates. If the prices had stayed the same and the seals had been added, ok, but unfortunately that is not the situation.

Blacknight841

Danikat wrote: »

The threads will probably be merged anyway, but just in case they're not here's the reply I just put in another topic:

I'm not sure about that.

Endeavours were created to comply with Microsoft's policy on loot boxes, in particular point 2 "Items in loot boxes can always be earned through play. All items available through paid loot boxes in our games will also be available through unpaid opportunity by gameplay (i.e. grinding)."

The question is how that's intended. Do they mean you'll be able to earn any of the items but not all of them? Or do they mean 1 player should be able to get all the items in loot boxes through play if they put enough time in? Because if it's the second one then the current system falls far short of that mark and will likely need to be changed when Microsoft gets a look at it. (Which makes me wonder if Zenimax are just hoping they don't look that closely.)

If this were the case, …I would have expected them to address the third point referring to the drop chance of each item in the loot crate. I have yet to see an official announcement on the percentages.

xeNNNNN

People were just excited because the majority really really REALLY don't like the crates for very good reason, they're gambling. This system is designed to fall in line with Microsoft rules of making sure everything that can be bought can be earned in game but the implementation of this system doesn't mean the crates aren't gambling and so because there isn't an abundance of endeavours this makes people mad because again, nobody likes the crates.

I must admit, I was perhaps foolishly optimistic that the system would be good - perhaps I should just go back to being a pessimist.

Fhritz

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

The threads will probably be merged anyway, but just in case they're not here's the reply I just put in another topic:

I'm not sure about that.

Endeavours were created to comply with Microsoft's policy on loot boxes, in particular point 2 "Items in loot boxes can always be earned through play. All items available through paid loot boxes in our games will also be available through unpaid opportunity by gameplay (i.e. grinding)."

The question is how that's intended. Do they mean you'll be able to earn any of the items but not all of them? Or do they mean 1 player should be able to get all the items in loot boxes through play if they put enough time in? Because if it's the second one then the current system falls far short of that mark and will likely need to be changed when Microsoft gets a look at it. (Which makes me wonder if Zenimax are just hoping they don't look that closely.)

If this were the case, …I would have expected them to address the third point referring to the drop chance of each item in the loot crate. I have yet to see an official announcement on the percentages.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/49828/~/what-are-the-odds-for-crown-crate-rewards-in-the-elder-scrolls-online?

Flamebait

Fhritz wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

The threads will probably be merged anyway, but just in case they're not here's the reply I just put in another topic:

I'm not sure about that.

Endeavours were created to comply with Microsoft's policy on loot boxes, in particular point 2 "Items in loot boxes can always be earned through play. All items available through paid loot boxes in our games will also be available through unpaid opportunity by gameplay (i.e. grinding)."

The question is how that's intended. Do they mean you'll be able to earn any of the items but not all of them? Or do they mean 1 player should be able to get all the items in loot boxes through play if they put enough time in? Because if it's the second one then the current system falls far short of that mark and will likely need to be changed when Microsoft gets a look at it. (Which makes me wonder if Zenimax are just hoping they don't look that closely.)

If this were the case, …I would have expected them to address the third point referring to the drop chance of each item in the loot crate. I have yet to see an official announcement on the percentages.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/49828/~/what-are-the-odds-for-crown-crate-rewards-in-the-elder-scrolls-online?

So you have a 2% chance out of the 293% between all the drops if you want a mount? Also really curious how a crate has 293% chance of drops.

Chuck_Finley

Fhritz wrote: »

I mean... I saw a LOT of people complaining about the low reward and the expensive price of the store...But keep in mind that this is free AND required almost NO grind (I've done some daily without even noticing). We have now an opportunity to have crown store item for free, sure you'll not be able to have them day 1 ! Yes, apex mount cost a lot, but they are literally the RAREST thing in the crown store ! Something you possibly can't get even with a hundred of normal crates, OF COURSES you'll not be able to have them fast ! The cost is reasonable , you may not have one for this crate season, but you'll be able to buy some next season ! And remember, it's FREE w/o grind ! Some player complained that cosmetic was almost every time in crown store, and now they complain because they can't have mount/skin/whatever as fast as they want ! Be patient guys, and don't be greedy !

The whole point of video game forums is to give community feedback on the state of the game and it's systems. When you see a lot of complaining about one system in game that might mean it's not well received and might need revisiting.

Lets do the math by the way, right now it will take about 300 days to get the rarest mount in the store. crown crate seasons don't last 300 days. Simple math is telling us there is no possible way to buy what is being advertised even if you never miss a day in game doing everything needed for your endeavors. That's a system that could use some tweaking no matter how you look at it.

Now that tweak could be to increase the rewards for the daily seals, that could also be the ability to "lock" an endeavor in place no matter what crown crate season is active. You "locked in" this one reward and while yes it will be about a year before you get it, you can still get it.

But here is my point, people complaining it's mathematically impossible to get the rewards being advertised are not being 'greedy' they are using simple calculations to realize the carrot being dangled will never be reachable.

Veita

Endeavers are totally fine, it is a free way to get stuff you have to pay for usually. People are just never satisfied, no matter what you do and they will never stop to ask for more and more until they get everything for free while they forget that ZOS is a company that needs and wants to make money.

People are greedy, that is it.

Danikat

Flamebait wrote: »

Fhritz wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

The threads will probably be merged anyway, but just in case they're not here's the reply I just put in another topic:

I'm not sure about that.

Endeavours were created to comply with Microsoft's policy on loot boxes, in particular point 2 "Items in loot boxes can always be earned through play. All items available through paid loot boxes in our games will also be available through unpaid opportunity by gameplay (i.e. grinding)."

The question is how that's intended. Do they mean you'll be able to earn any of the items but not all of them? Or do they mean 1 player should be able to get all the items in loot boxes through play if they put enough time in? Because if it's the second one then the current system falls far short of that mark and will likely need to be changed when Microsoft gets a look at it. (Which makes me wonder if Zenimax are just hoping they don't look that closely.)

If this were the case, …I would have expected them to address the third point referring to the drop chance of each item in the loot crate. I have yet to see an official announcement on the percentages.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/49828/~/what-are-the-odds-for-crown-crate-rewards-in-the-elder-scrolls-online?

So you have a 2% chance out of the 293% between all the drops if you want a mount? Also really curious how a crate has 293% chance of drops.

Because each crate gives 4-5 items.

Also the percentages shown there are for that rarity of item, not for specific items within each group. So for example your chance of getting an apex item is 2% but the chances for the specific one you want will be lower.

You can get more detailed info, based on actual drops here: https://www.crowncrates.com/

For example according to their page for the Flame Atronach Crates the chance of an apex item was 2.04% but the chance for a specific mount varied between 0.31% and 0.25% (with the wolf being most common and the horse rarest).

In the legendary tier it's even more variable with a Grand XP Scroll having 0.97% chance and a Yokudan Motif 0.70%

Red_Feather

It definitely won't get me to log in as I didn't do any yesterday and would rather play warframe today. I have until tomorrow to finish all my nightwave challenges which I ignored until now.