Playing [MMO which will not be named] Shows me how much ESO is missing.
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HalfRain216✭✭✭However in eso i was being attacked by 6-10 skeevers and had to go afk to open the door for my GF. I live in a flat 9 stories high, so to put it in perspective i had to afk while going down 9 floor, chatting with GF and coming back, upwards of atleast 15 minutes. I thought i was dead but to my surprise i come back and I'm still alive ABOVE 50% HP mind you this is me at level 1 just having made a new char.
I don’t disagree with anything your saying but if you want to be seen as serious don’t be so dramatic and make stuff up. It is not possible you were gone for 15 minutes on a lvl 1 toon and did not die plain and simple. Just tested and died under a minute.2 -
VampReworkFailed✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Considering the unnamed MMO is, well, unnamed, then we cannot really consider it relevant to the discussion as we cannot discuss it. It would be interesting to know what the discussion is about since I think the regular questing in this game is superior to most MMORPGs I have played. Very well written, voiced. and drawn. As I get better geared and more CP I look forward to getting into the more challenging aspects of the game such as the more serious dungeons and the raids. I have already started working on vet Maelstrom which I find to be a worthy challenge at my lower CP level.
Its final fantasy xiv. And its not THAT good of a game. Its overland is empty, side quests are terrible, and etc. I would trade ffxiv sides quests for eso side quests anytime of the day. And they have such a poor quest design imo. Did i mentioned nobody group up there? It even worse than eso. And c'mon, as a pvp player, how can you say ffxiv is better than eso? ffxiv pvp is terrible.
There's a reason FFXIV is the second most popular MMO behind WoW and far ahead of ESO.
clearly, it is that good of a game lol. PvP sucks tho 100% agree with you there. But that's the thing. The game has way more players and is way more popular than ESO despite having *** PvP. That's uh, kind of insane considering one of ESO's biggest draws is the PvP.
Also their quest design is WAY better than ESO. You don't do 'side' quests to level, you just do the main story and it feels like you're playing a climatic single player rpg at some points. Also, their quests are actually challenging and have memorable story bosses.... where as ESO? Yeah, I don't even remember the final story boss's name from last year.
Yes, side quests are meaningless there. And most of the time the way they write the quests are just terrible... Some of those steps on the quests... "I dropped a bucket full of water, kupo! Could you pick it up for me?" (MSQ quest btw) I feel more engaged doing side quests here. I followed all the way through shb. And the story is not THAT good. Its ok-ish. They need to change the way to implement quests, its not good.
Well, that's your opinion. The fact of the matter is the story is one of the main reasons people play the game. And statistically, it is more popular than ESO and adds more each expansion than ESO adds in 4 years.
I honest to god find the story boring cause I don't care about the FF world. BUT, I can at least appreciate it's written well and has its humorous moments such as the 'kupo' ones. The Ishgard aka heavensward story line is excellent writing full of suspense and twists.
Basically, what I'm saying is just cause you don't like something doesn't mean it lacks quality. In your eyes, it might lack quality, but the statistics say otherwise. It's like saying the Harrypotter books are horribly written. That's fine as a personal opinion, but is false when you consider they're some of the best selling books of all time and many people's favorite novel series. It has quality, even if you yourself don't see it.
Despite all its flaws, eso keeps making me come back, since the WORLD its completely void of people there. Eso will not have the great trinity system that ffxiv has, but its life, i guess. Being a healer or a tank means next to nothing outside vet content here or trials and pvp. its what makes me go there from time to time.
I feel this immensely, my man. The world of ESO is what really brings me here. It's just such a shame it has almost no difficulty or impactful quests due to how easy everything is to murder. ):3 -
LeonAkando✭✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »
Popularity is popularity is all I'm getting from this. It's ESO's fault if they don't want to invest in being able to run effectively over-seas and yet another reason why FFXIV is just flat out better. FFXIV is world-wide. ESO is barely able to be played in EU
ESO is an M rated game, it wouldn't even be legally allowed in Eastern markets. That's why it doesn't try. China is a big market but has extremely strict rules. They'd have to remove nearly all the gore, you'd have to delete every questline that has same sex couples. They may have to edit down any quest's that include swearing.
I like FF a lot, don't get me wrong, but I'd rather be able to have basic human rights than neuter everything to appeal to one region.3 -
VampReworkFailed✭✭✭LeonAkando wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »
There's a reason FFXIV is the second most popular MMO behind WoW and far ahead of ESO.
I agree ESO should actually revamp the classic classes and expand ability sets on all of them, that would be really cool.
And that's just a few criticisms as a savage trial player.
Expanding ability sets would be really cool, me and friends have been theory crafting on this as well for example you know the vampire boss in DSA? She now does that disappear in fire and then reappears at the target and slams her weapons down on it (obviously the tank or 4th dd lol)
It would be really cool if DK's had that built into their whip if they chose to improve it in that way. I know it would be horribly broken but giving a player the power to do that would be visually awesome. PvP wise it would probably be quite broken though and then in PvE probably ehhhh useless in raids due to it taking you off your rotation for a flat 2 seconds. Unless a DK tank wants to use it for repositioning on adds or something I guess lol
Let's not forget all of the cool vampire abilities that were introduced last year that could easily be given to vamp players to expand their ability sets.
Same with necromancers and werewolves, too. Honestly, every class in the game could be expanded using NPC-style skills.0 -
VampReworkFailed wrote: »Considering the unnamed MMO is, well, unnamed, then we cannot really consider it relevant to the discussion as we cannot discuss it. It would be interesting to know what the discussion is about since I think the regular questing in this game is superior to most MMORPGs I have played. Very well written, voiced. and drawn. As I get better geared and more CP I look forward to getting into the more challenging aspects of the game such as the more serious dungeons and the raids. I have already started working on vet Maelstrom which I find to be a worthy challenge at my lower CP level.
Its final fantasy xiv. And its not THAT good of a game. Its overland is empty, side quests are terrible, and etc. I would trade ffxiv sides quests for eso side quests anytime of the day. And they have such a poor quest design imo. Did i mentioned nobody group up there? It even worse than eso. And c'mon, as a pvp player, how can you say ffxiv is better than eso? ffxiv pvp is terrible.
There's a reason FFXIV is the second most popular MMO behind WoW and far ahead of ESO.
clearly, it is that good of a game lol. PvP sucks tho 100% agree with you there. But that's the thing. The game has way more players and is way more popular than ESO despite having *** PvP. That's uh, kind of insane considering one of ESO's biggest draws is the PvP.
Also their quest design is WAY better than ESO. You don't do 'side' quests to level, you just do the main story and it feels like you're playing a climatic single player rpg at some points. Also, their quests are actually challenging and have memorable story bosses.... where as ESO? Yeah, I don't even remember the final story boss's name from last year.
You are forgetting something here on the matter of popularity; Regional population.
Final Fantasy while having a rather large following in the western market is completely dwarfed by the popularity in the Asian market, in fact I would wager that a large swath perhaps majority are from the Asian region. The reason being is the game is built around Asian video game and cultural designs and appeals to them far more than it does to most western MMO players.
The Asian gaming market is absolutely enormous do not underestimate the full scope of potential and popularity that market of the world can generate, hell that region has one of the largest concentrations of internet cafes in the world specifically for games.
EDIT: I would also add that had WoW not started when it did and FF instead came first its very likely that the roles would be reversed right now for this very reason.
What does region have to do with anything? Still humans enjoying the game and boosting its cred. I'm Asian and never liked FF. before i tried XIV. At the end of the day FF gets more views on twitch than ESO does on the week a new expansion drops. And you're wrong. EU, NA and JAPAN have close populations. NA more so than JP. https://ffxivcensus.com0 -
VampReworkFailed✭✭✭LeonAkando wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »
Popularity is popularity is all I'm getting from this. It's ESO's fault if they don't want to invest in being able to run effectively over-seas and yet another reason why FFXIV is just flat out better. FFXIV is world-wide. ESO is barely able to be played in EU
ESO is an M rated game, it wouldn't even be legally allowed in Eastern markets. That's why it doesn't try. China is a big market but has extremely strict rules. They'd have to remove nearly all the gore, you'd have to delete every questline that has same sex couples. They may have to edit down any quest's that include swearing.
I like FF a lot, don't get me wrong, but I'd rather be able to have basic human rights than neuter everything to appeal to one region.
That's the thing. ESO is an M rated game yet, honestly, is this ever really taken advantage of that much in stories? We don't really have any dark or gruesome stories. They treat the game like it's a rated T game, tbh.
Also, FFXIV has trans, same sex couples, and way more than what ESO peddles.2 -
Nowa133✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Its not just 12 on other regions. Lets not forget about that. And i'm not a english native speaker. And you know we'll be able to get anything from lootboxes in the next change, right? And i pay ffxiv, >.>. Some cosmetics can be locked behind a paywall here, but everyone has the chance to get it. You don't need to open your wallet to get that. In exchange, on ffxiv, the BEST glamours are behind a paywall imo and ARE expensive for a piece of virtual cloth. And you know most of its gear is generic.0 -
VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.0 -
VampReworkFailed✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
Bruh, same. OH. ALSO?
...The game has flying mounts. And earning the ability to fly isn't completely outlandish and actually quite fun.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭mate i defeated molag baal allright..... if i die to a *** skeever there is smthing wrong
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vateshran and some other content is pretty good tho and some overland bosses have a more complex mechanic.
vateshran boss combat comes close to dark souls with all the boss attacks u have to watch out for the reason why it doesnt feel as exciting as dark souls fight is the presentation eso designers rly suck at that right now. (can also be seen in poor design of oblivion gates 0 effort in graphical presentation)
when i think back for example vaults of madness i consider extremly well designed dungeon they even toyed with ppl that had acrophobia.
they have some rly good designers and some are mediocre at best but its understandable its a big mmo so 1 can not handle everything.
just sharing my opinion here of course rly subjective and even misses the point a little of the thread.Considering the unnamed MMO is, well, unnamed, then we cannot really consider it relevant to the discussion as we cannot discuss it. It would be interesting to know what the discussion is about since I think the regular questing in this game is superior to most MMORPGs I have played. Very well written, voiced. and drawn. As I get better geared and more CP I look forward to getting into the more challenging aspects of the game such as the more serious dungeons and the raids. I have already started working on vet Maelstrom which I find to be a worthy challenge at my lower CP level.
You don't need to know the name of the other MMO to understand what I meant. I stated all the issues i had with ESO. This was not a post to compare the two, i mentioned the other MMO only to give slight context. Knowing the name of the MMO literally has 0 effect of the rest of what I wrote. And if did you read what I wrote, you would see me say that the story and voice are amazing as those are not the issues.
and I am saying that the context seems lost on me since I have no idea what the comparison actually is. For all, we know you are speaking or an awful F2P MMO that merely has the one thing going for it and will never be considered a top MMORPG in the context of WoW, FF14, or ESO.
So I am merely pointing out that context is lost. Oh, and I think ESO's questing is fabulous.
Adding more context here. We are all entitled to our opinions just as we are able to choose which games we want to play and which ones are not worthy of our time. In the end, I enjoy these well-made MMORPGs as I can chill to a good story then get my game on for the content designed for those who enjoy a challenge.
Genuinely curious as how the context can be lost on you, friend. I gave apples to apples points in the questing system, the mount system, the housing, the overland, immersion differences and even about casual content that you said you enjoy, not knowing the name wont make a difference. I literally even gave the name of the world its based in at the end..
But I agree with you, that we all need to enjoy the game the way we want. However you're content with the game because updates have been catered to players such as yourself who, as you said, enjoying chilling. Imagine for a whole year you didn't get any meaningful content for questing and they only changed PVP and added a subpar PVP system; you'd be rightly annoyed too.
but you need to realise that the game isn't solely for players who want to be casual or chilling. They added hardcore system for a reason, to get people invested. If you wanna compare this trend, look at SWTOR. Did exactly what ESO had been doing lately and look how well it worked out for them despite being based in the biggest entertainment universe ever.
If you still don't get the MMO i was talking about, I'll just have to tell you i guess. It's FFXIV.
It is funny how you say it is FF14, the MMORPG connected to one of the largest gaming IPs out there. I played it for a while but mostly because those I raided with played the game. Many came to ESO. Heck, I think ESO Logs was created by the person who ran the login in FF14.
I hated the combat in that game so much, It was boring. I have found ESO's quests to be more refined than FF14 and I never found the questing combat to be much of a challenge but that may be just me. Also, you seemed to have mistaken me for someone who only chills when they play which I made clear was not the only way I gamed. Granted, there are some things I think FF14 has done well.
Also, I do realize that players like different difficulties in gaming which is why I raid. I also know that SWTOR tried to offer a more difficult questing option but seems that design failed as they ceased creating new content with that option. I only mention SWTOR because you seemed to offer it as an example of some trend.
Also, someone suggested FF14 was far ahead of ESO in popularity. Considering FF14 is several years older than ESO it has sold more copies. However, the difference in copies sold when FF14 was as old as ESO is now is fairly close. Both games seem to be doing incredibly well.
In the end, we have differing opinions and that is great. I also think it is great you like FF14 so much even though I do not like it as much. It is wonderful games have different designs as it gives us options. I do not expect you to agree with me. In fact, I would not even want to persuade you to. You like FF14 and that is great. I like ESO and that is great. Perfect world.1 -
HalfRain216✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
You can trade gold for crowns on any server and version of ESO.
Xbox NA it’s only 90/1 so everything is obtainable without real money just not an official feature of the game.Edited by HalfRain216 on June 8, 2021 4:49AM0 -
VampReworkFailed✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Its not just 12 on other regions. Lets not forget about that. And i'm not a english native speaker. And you know we'll be able to get anything from lootboxes in the next change, right? And i pay ffxiv, >.>. Some cosmetics can be locked behind a paywall here, but everyone has the chance to get it. You don't need to open your wallet to get that. In exchange, on ffxiv, the BEST glamours are behind a paywall imo and ARE expensive for a piece of virtual cloth. And you know most of its gear is generic.
I've single handedly spent more money buying in-game motifs in ESO than I've spent looking cool on FFXIV. Like, the class armor you can get from raids/dungeons and even the artifact weapon glamours you get are insanely cool looking.
https://imgur.com/a/syx3PId
Like, I can look like this with 100% in-game items.0 -
VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Its not just 12 on other regions. Lets not forget about that. And i'm not a english native speaker. And you know we'll be able to get anything from lootboxes in the next change, right? And i pay ffxiv, >.>. Some cosmetics can be locked behind a paywall here, but everyone has the chance to get it. You don't need to open your wallet to get that. In exchange, on ffxiv, the BEST glamours are behind a paywall imo and ARE expensive for a piece of virtual cloth. And you know most of its gear is generic.VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
Bruh, same. OH. ALSO?
...The game has flying mounts. And earning the ability to fly isn't completely outlandish and actually quite fun.
I don't even know why people keep commenting about quests lol, that's like the only positive thing i said about ESO i would've thought they got it. And someone compared the class to ESO. ESO classes on paper are really cool but like.. have you seen the animations? The amount of skills? I love ESO, but FFXIV combat is a whole another level. I HATE target combat which i why i played ESO. But after playing WOW it's grown on me. Because it feels like i'm actually using my brain.0 -
VampReworkFailed✭✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
You can trade gold for crowns on any server and version of ESO.
Xbox NA it’s only 90/1 so everything is obtainable without real money just not an official feature of the game.
FFXIV doesn't even have a cash-shop currency. There is no argument to be made here.0 -
HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
You can trade gold for crowns on any server and version of ESO.
Xbox NA it’s only 90/1 so everything is obtainable without real money just not an official feature of the game.
Yeah i know that. I played ESO for a while. Still cant buy a flying mount tho
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HalfRain216✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
You can trade gold for crowns on any server and version of ESO.
Xbox NA it’s only 90/1 so everything is obtainable without real money just not an official feature of the game.
FFXIV doesn't even have a cash-shop currency. There is no argument to be made here.
No argument in what sense? That is your opinion there is a lot of people out there that would prefer to use their money to purchase an item instead of grinding gold. I enjoy loot boxes on any games but prefer to trade gold for crowns on ESO.Edited by HalfRain216 on June 8, 2021 4:53AM0 -
VampReworkFailed✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Its not just 12 on other regions. Lets not forget about that. And i'm not a english native speaker. And you know we'll be able to get anything from lootboxes in the next change, right? And i pay ffxiv, >.>. Some cosmetics can be locked behind a paywall here, but everyone has the chance to get it. You don't need to open your wallet to get that. In exchange, on ffxiv, the BEST glamours are behind a paywall imo and ARE expensive for a piece of virtual cloth. And you know most of its gear is generic.VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
Bruh, same. OH. ALSO?
...The game has flying mounts. And earning the ability to fly isn't completely outlandish and actually quite fun.
I don't even know why people keep commenting about quests lol, that's like the only positive thing i said about ESO i would've thought they got it. And someone compared the class to ESO. ESO classes on paper are really cool but like.. have you seen the animations? The amount of skills? I love ESO, but FFXIV combat is a whole another level. I HATE target combat which i why i played ESO. But after playing WOW it's grown on me. Because it feels like i'm actually using my brain.
Exactly! Like, landing a successful combo in FFXIV feels so rewarding. Where as in ESO it's 'spam this generic rotation that doesn't fulfill any of my class fantasy'
People probably comment about quests cause they think the story in FFXIV is boring. Which they aren't wrong, but to say it's a badly written story is.... well, still false cause it's structured in a much more dynamic way than ESO could ever hope to be.0 -
VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Its not just 12 on other regions. Lets not forget about that. And i'm not a english native speaker. And you know we'll be able to get anything from lootboxes in the next change, right? And i pay ffxiv, >.>. Some cosmetics can be locked behind a paywall here, but everyone has the chance to get it. You don't need to open your wallet to get that. In exchange, on ffxiv, the BEST glamours are behind a paywall imo and ARE expensive for a piece of virtual cloth. And you know most of its gear is generic.VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
Bruh, same. OH. ALSO?
...The game has flying mounts. And earning the ability to fly isn't completely outlandish and actually quite fun.
I don't even know why people keep commenting about quests lol, that's like the only positive thing i said about ESO i would've thought they got it. And someone compared the class to ESO. ESO classes on paper are really cool but like.. have you seen the animations? The amount of skills? I love ESO, but FFXIV combat is a whole another level. I HATE target combat which i why i played ESO. But after playing WOW it's grown on me. Because it feels like i'm actually using my brain.
im a moron, i meant FFXIV not WOW0 -
HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
You can trade gold for crowns on any server and version of ESO.
Xbox NA it’s only 90/1 so everything is obtainable without real money just not an official feature of the game.
FFXIV doesn't even have a cash-shop currency. There is no argument to be made here.
No argument in what sense? That is your opinion there is a lot of people out there that would prefer to use their money to purchase an item instead of grinding gold. I enjoy loot boxes on any games but prefer to trade gold for crowns on ESO.
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VampReworkFailed✭✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
You can trade gold for crowns on any server and version of ESO.
Xbox NA it’s only 90/1 so everything is obtainable without real money just not an official feature of the game.
FFXIV doesn't even have a cash-shop currency. There is no argument to be made here.
No argument in what sense? That is your opinion there is a lot of people out there that would prefer to use their money to purchase an item instead of grinding gold. I enjoy loot boxes on any games but prefer to trade gold for crowns on ESO.
OOOOOOOOOH you're one of those people. Yikes.0 -
VampReworkFailed✭✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
You can trade gold for crowns on any server and version of ESO.
Xbox NA it’s only 90/1 so everything is obtainable without real money just not an official feature of the game.
FFXIV doesn't even have a cash-shop currency. There is no argument to be made here.
No argument in what sense? That is your opinion there is a lot of people out there that would prefer to use their money to purchase an item instead of grinding gold. I enjoy loot boxes on any games but prefer to trade gold for crowns on ESO.
Mans just said he enjoys lootboxes... LMAO
Man really said he'd rather pay IRL money for something over earn it in game LOL this dude on the wrong thread0 -
HalfRain216✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
You can trade gold for crowns on any server and version of ESO.
Xbox NA it’s only 90/1 so everything is obtainable without real money just not an official feature of the game.
FFXIV doesn't even have a cash-shop currency. There is no argument to be made here.
No argument in what sense? That is your opinion there is a lot of people out there that would prefer to use their money to purchase an item instead of grinding gold. I enjoy loot boxes on any games but prefer to trade gold for crowns on ESO.
OOOOOOOOOH you're one of those people. Yikes.
That enjoys something you don’t? Sorry I don’t understand? Someone with spare money?0 -
Nowa133✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Its not just 12 on other regions. Lets not forget about that. And i'm not a english native speaker. And you know we'll be able to get anything from lootboxes in the next change, right? And i pay ffxiv, >.>. Some cosmetics can be locked behind a paywall here, but everyone has the chance to get it. You don't need to open your wallet to get that. In exchange, on ffxiv, the BEST glamours are behind a paywall imo and ARE expensive for a piece of virtual cloth. And you know most of its gear is generic.
I've single handedly spent more money buying in-game motifs in ESO than I've spent looking cool on FFXIV. Like, the class armor you can get from raids/dungeons and even the artifact weapon glamours you get are insanely cool looking.
https://imgur.com/a/syx3PId
Like, I can look like this with 100% in-game items.
Gear in eso is more to my taste... >.>. You can look as good with gold here as well or even without that. We got more variety in costumes, skins, and motifs/armors than ffxiv imo. Always felt ffxiv lacking there. 1-50 you look like a beggar.(same-ish gear, not a good gear progression? samey look?) Some jobs you need to use glamour to not look like ***. Its not even funny.0 -
VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Its not just 12 on other regions. Lets not forget about that. And i'm not a english native speaker. And you know we'll be able to get anything from lootboxes in the next change, right? And i pay ffxiv, >.>. Some cosmetics can be locked behind a paywall here, but everyone has the chance to get it. You don't need to open your wallet to get that. In exchange, on ffxiv, the BEST glamours are behind a paywall imo and ARE expensive for a piece of virtual cloth. And you know most of its gear is generic.VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
Bruh, same. OH. ALSO?
...The game has flying mounts. And earning the ability to fly isn't completely outlandish and actually quite fun.
I don't even know why people keep commenting about quests lol, that's like the only positive thing i said about ESO i would've thought they got it. And someone compared the class to ESO. ESO classes on paper are really cool but like.. have you seen the animations? The amount of skills? I love ESO, but FFXIV combat is a whole another level. I HATE target combat which i why i played ESO. But after playing WOW it's grown on me. Because it feels like i'm actually using my brain.
Exactly! Like, landing a successful combo in FFXIV feels so rewarding. Where as in ESO it's 'spam this generic rotation that doesn't fulfill any of my class fantasy'
People probably comment about quests cause they think the story in FFXIV is boring. Which they aren't wrong, but to say it's a badly written story is.... well, still false cause it's structured in a much more dynamic way than ESO could ever hope to be.
It's boring for people who are accustomed to voice acting, even me. At first the thought of 0 voice acting put me off. But reading the story is actually quite fun. I enjoy the little day to day things, that's what gives things heart and makes fighting a big badass boss worth it. Once you break the lack of VA then you enjoy the menial things.0 -
LeonAkando✭✭✭✭Heck, I think ESO Logs was created by the person who ran the login in FF14.
Kihra was a hardcore WoW Raider who set out to make a better system than the World Of Logs system. Then created the mega-hit Warcraftlogs.
Then used that same format when they were playing Wildstar (may it rest in peace) hardcore and created Wildstarlogs.
Then later expanded that to what is considered the "Big 3" Warcraftlogs, ESOLogs, FFLogs.
Even has some other ones iirc, like SWTORLogs.
Cool person, got to play a little with them in Wildstar.0 -
HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
You can trade gold for crowns on any server and version of ESO.
Xbox NA it’s only 90/1 so everything is obtainable without real money just not an official feature of the game.
FFXIV doesn't even have a cash-shop currency. There is no argument to be made here.
No argument in what sense? That is your opinion there is a lot of people out there that would prefer to use their money to purchase an item instead of grinding gold. I enjoy loot boxes on any games but prefer to trade gold for crowns on ESO.
OOOOOOOOOH you're one of those people. Yikes.
That enjoys something you don’t? Sorry I don’t understand? Someone with spare money?
Lmao imagine defending a predatory practice like lootboxes with "i have money" pretty sure if i went to my local crackhead he will tell me he loves crack bc he has money to buy it.2 -
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✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »Considering the unnamed MMO is, well, unnamed, then we cannot really consider it relevant to the discussion as we cannot discuss it. It would be interesting to know what the discussion is about since I think the regular questing in this game is superior to most MMORPGs I have played. Very well written, voiced. and drawn. As I get better geared and more CP I look forward to getting into the more challenging aspects of the game such as the more serious dungeons and the raids. I have already started working on vet Maelstrom which I find to be a worthy challenge at my lower CP level.
Its final fantasy xiv. And its not THAT good of a game. Its overland is empty, side quests are terrible, and etc. I would trade ffxiv sides quests for eso side quests anytime of the day. And they have such a poor quest design imo. Did i mentioned nobody group up there? It even worse than eso. And c'mon, as a pvp player, how can you say ffxiv is better than eso? ffxiv pvp is terrible.
There's a reason FFXIV is the second most popular MMO behind WoW and far ahead of ESO.
clearly, it is that good of a game lol. PvP sucks tho 100% agree with you there. But that's the thing. The game has way more players and is way more popular than ESO despite having *** PvP. That's uh, kind of insane considering one of ESO's biggest draws is the PvP.
Also their quest design is WAY better than ESO. You don't do 'side' quests to level, you just do the main story and it feels like you're playing a climatic single player rpg at some points. Also, their quests are actually challenging and have memorable story bosses.... where as ESO? Yeah, I don't even remember the final story boss's name from last year.
You are forgetting something here on the matter of popularity; Regional population.
Final Fantasy while having a rather large following in the western market is completely dwarfed by the popularity in the Asian market, in fact I would wager that a large swath perhaps majority are from the Asian region. The reason being is the game is built around Asian video game and cultural designs and appeals to them far more than it does to most western MMO players.
The Asian gaming market is absolutely enormous do not underestimate the full scope of potential and popularity that market of the world can generate, hell that region has one of the largest concentrations of internet cafes in the world specifically for games.
EDIT: I would also add that had WoW not started when it did and FF instead came first its very likely that the roles would be reversed right now for this very reason.
What does region have to do with anything? Still humans enjoying the game and boosting its cred. I'm Asian and never liked FF. before i tried XIV. At the end of the day FF gets more views on twitch than ESO does on the week a new expansion drops. And you're wrong. EU, NA and JAPAN have close populations. NA more so than JP. https://ffxivcensus.com
Then I am wrong and I retract my position though they really should update those stats far more frequently, I also do wonder how many of them are anime fans haha would explain a lot seeing as I cant see the appeal to that game at all on a visual level at the very leastVampReworkFailed wrote: »LeonAkando wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »
Popularity is popularity is all I'm getting from this. It's ESO's fault if they don't want to invest in being able to run effectively over-seas and yet another reason why FFXIV is just flat out better. FFXIV is world-wide. ESO is barely able to be played in EU
ESO is an M rated game, it wouldn't even be legally allowed in Eastern markets. That's why it doesn't try. China is a big market but has extremely strict rules. They'd have to remove nearly all the gore, you'd have to delete every questline that has same sex couples. They may have to edit down any quest's that include swearing.
I like FF a lot, don't get me wrong, but I'd rather be able to have basic human rights than neuter everything to appeal to one region.
That's the thing. ESO is an M rated game yet, honestly, is this ever really taken advantage of that much in stories? We don't really have any dark or gruesome stories. They treat the game like it's a rated T game, tbh.
Also, FFXIV has trans, same sex couples, and way more than what ESO peddles.
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As for your mention of vampire abilities and such in your response to me I would say you are correct, though I think one or two skills need a serious re-think before they do anything with it particularly the one that has a health cost for power, while thematically it works practically its a death sentence and completely unusable save for some odd roleplay I suppose, though even in that position its still very meh.
They also should re-think having undeath at stage 4, while I understand the reasoning behind it - it also made vampire reliable vs its drawbacks. I think vamp is at a point now where the draw backs are simply too extreme and half of the passive just aren't worth speccing into.
I showed a friend the vampire lord ultimate, his first comment "wheres the wings >:(" .... the dudes a sucker for flying or just anything that flaps I guess. Maybe they could add some wings? ha.
[Edited to remove Offensive Content]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on June 8, 2021 10:26AMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.2 -
Nowa133✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Its not just 12 on other regions. Lets not forget about that. And i'm not a english native speaker. And you know we'll be able to get anything from lootboxes in the next change, right? And i pay ffxiv, >.>. Some cosmetics can be locked behind a paywall here, but everyone has the chance to get it. You don't need to open your wallet to get that. In exchange, on ffxiv, the BEST glamours are behind a paywall imo and ARE expensive for a piece of virtual cloth. And you know most of its gear is generic.VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Im like level 10 and the first time i saw a Pegasus or a phoenix for a mount i was amazed. Its been a while since ESO made me feel like that.
Bruh, same. OH. ALSO?
...The game has flying mounts. And earning the ability to fly isn't completely outlandish and actually quite fun.
I don't even know why people keep commenting about quests lol, that's like the only positive thing i said about ESO i would've thought they got it. And someone compared the class to ESO. ESO classes on paper are really cool but like.. have you seen the animations? The amount of skills? I love ESO, but FFXIV combat is a whole another level. I HATE target combat which i why i played ESO. But after playing WOW it's grown on me. Because it feels like i'm actually using my brain.
Now that you mentioned quests again, let me say it. The most important thing to make me quit ffxiv was the lack of choices on quests. You're just a yes man or woman and keeps being even after shb (doing menial tasks). What you say has no weight... Everything is streamlined until the more basic elements.0 -
VampReworkFailed✭✭✭VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »VampReworkFailed wrote: »Let's also not forget that said unnamed MMO gets 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets new abilities every. single. expansion. Oh, and every expansion is connected in story and each lasts 2 years with steady updates throughout.... So the ride feels meaningful.
That's the main thing I think people are missing. This unnamed MMO gets, I'll say it again, 1-2 new races, 2 new classes, and every existing class gets MORE abilities every single expansion.
They do in 1 expansion what it's taken ESO 4+ years to do.(Which is add more variety to existing classes and add more options for players.)
Well, you know that there's a subscription to even have access to download the game, cash shop and expacs every 2 years at full price... And you can get almost everything on eso for gold? And its not the new healer this expac? And didn't they said that they'll stop releasing new races?
Nope, the game has a free trial of up to lvl 60 and includes the entire first DLC. You can play every single class (except for the ones that dont unlock till pass 60) up to level 60 and this also includes life-skills too. Also if we're really going to be upset about a $12 monthly sub after that to just play the game, I feel like if you can't afford to spend $12 a month to have access to such a large game then you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in general imo. Also don't forget that having a sub in ESO provides you with a lot of content and a very OP crafting bag.
You can get almost anything in FFXIV for gold, where as in ESO the best cosmetics are locked behind the crownstore. I'm sorry, but are you seriously trying to argue that FFXIV has a worse cashshop than ESO? Seriously? Lol.
ESO's cashshop is quite literally so bad it's the only MMO in the top 5 list that has loot boxes. But go on, feel free to explain in full clarity how FFXIV's cash shop is even comparable.
Like, you do know all of the good mounts in FFXIV and cosmetics can be obtained in game, right? And aren't sold on the cash shop? Like, bruh. Ur really comparing a game where you can get at max 3-ish unique mounts in game from various methods (eso) to FFXIV where they have hundreds of collectable in-game mounts and minions. Each one changes the travel music based on mount thematic btw (:
Its not just 12 on other regions. Lets not forget about that. And i'm not a english native speaker. And you know we'll be able to get anything from lootboxes in the next change, right? And i pay ffxiv, >.>. Some cosmetics can be locked behind a paywall here, but everyone has the chance to get it. You don't need to open your wallet to get that. In exchange, on ffxiv, the BEST glamours are behind a paywall imo and ARE expensive for a piece of virtual cloth. And you know most of its gear is generic.
I've single handedly spent more money buying in-game motifs in ESO than I've spent looking cool on FFXIV. Like, the class armor you can get from raids/dungeons and even the artifact weapon glamours you get are insanely cool looking.
https://imgur.com/a/syx3PId
Like, I can look like this with 100% in-game items.
Gear in eso is more to my taste... >.>. You can look as good with gold here as well or even without that. We got more variety in costumes, skins, and motifs/armors than ffxiv imo. Always felt ffxiv lacking there. 1-50 you look like a beggar.(same-ish gear, not a good gear progression? samey look?) Some jobs you need to use glamour to not look like ***. Its not even funny.
Oh, big agree there. Some jobs do look like *** from my tastes. And the gear until you actually hit like, level 30 looks absolutely gross.
But the issue with the variety of costumes, skins, motifs on ESO is that pretty much all of that can be obtained from the crownstore. Even if you can earn it in game.0 -
Amerises✭✭✭✭Spear, whip, wands, pole arms, shuriken, darts, nunchucks or unarmed, slingshots, longbow or shortbow (for range vs dmg bonuses), crossbows, fails/morning stars, throwing spears/javelin, Katar, hoopak, bow staff... For how old this game is, the lack of weapons is probably my biggest pet peeve. Most other MMORPG I've played have a huge variety. When mag could duel wield again, I about died, and the fact that it does more damage on top of that!? I woulda duel wielded on my magplar if it were only a slight dps loss! ... You could argue most of these weapons are built into skills, but rather than a quick flash every so often, the options we could have (example of bows (recurve as current state, shortbow as more damage less range, and longbow less dmg more range)! Darts adding to crit while shuriken adding a bleed, slingshot lower defenses, etc. etc0
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