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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
Elder Scrolls Online won’t end until the players leave
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MythicaLMeddLer✭✭✭We’re at a stalemate here. The game won’t end until I leave, but I won’t leave until they kick me off the server!4 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »If you like the game, play it. If you don't, don't. But coming to the forums and bashing everything about it is not constructive.
Very apropos comment for this discussion.0 -
CSose✭✭✭✭
If the refrigerator failed to keep things cold, would you expect a refund, or wait several years for the Maytag man to show up?2 -
CSose✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »If you like the game, play it. If you don't, don't. But coming to the forums and bashing everything about it is not constructive.
Aren't people supposed to be able to log onto a forum and become accurately informed about the primary subject that forum was established to discuss?5 -
nukk3r✭✭✭✭✭
✭ES 6 will not affect ESO much. Initially it will lower the playerbase for a few months. But after the players are done with the singleplayer game, they will return to the mmo. MMO's are totally different beasts, and constantly updating. So players will be back.
PS: I'm not going anywhere, unless they manage to massively mess up the game somehow!
There are still people playing Skyrim, which will turn 10 years in november. TES VI will keep some people engaged for enough time to forget that ESO ever existed
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allhailskippy✭✭✭✭✭MythicaLMeddLer wrote: »We’re at a stalemate here. The game won’t end until I leave, but I won’t leave until they kick me off the server!
Not really. Getting randomly booted from playing the game is a VERY common experience.Hireling Wanted! - An Elder Scrolls Tale https://hirelingwanted.com3 -
DreamyLu✭✭✭✭✭Well, look at me: I'm still playing GW (the first one). That's 18 years as far as I know! And the game keeps going, although GW2... Crazy
Soooooo... I wouldn't worry at all about ESO future
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SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO 6 will not affect ESO much. Initially it will lower the playerbase for a few months. But after the players are done with the singleplayer game, they will return to the mmo. MMO's are totally different beasts, and constantly updating. So players will be back.
PS: I'm not going anywhere, unless they manage to massively mess up the game somehow!
Not only that, but many of them will maintain their ESO subscriptions(s) while playing ESO 6 anyway.dinokstrunz wrote: »Blackwood is a nothing chapter, I wouldn't be shocked after a week people will probably turn off this game for a good while.
Quests to run and land to explore. Thats not nothing to me. I dont need any more.
I agree. The Companions might be one of the selling points, but I almost never use companions in the single-player ES games (except when some quest forces me to use them), so I don't expect to use companions heavily in ESO, either. I'm sure I'll still try to level them up and see what they can do, but they aren't why I prepurchased Blackwood or what I'm most looking forward to about it. And I'm still playing one or more single-player ES games nearly every day, and they don't keep me from playing ESO every day as well.Edited by SeaGtGruff on May 19, 2021 4:13PMI've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
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I usually am somewhere in the middle of a Morrowind playthrough. Haha
I also just bought Skyrim VR. Makes me a little dizzy, but going to take a run at it. Some games never die! Heck, I played Original Zelda on NES last week. Someone has to save that darned princess who can't seem to stay out of trouble.1 -
Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭
I feel removing PvP would actually benefit the game. So much time and effort has been spend on Cyrodiil, the game could have been twice the PvE-size it is now. Besides that, PVP has been making the gamebalance a mess. Where PvE is massively hit, by choices made for PvP balance. Skills, item sets, monster sets, tanking, etc... all took a massive PvE hit due to PvP.
Not near as many as you think.Removing PVP from ESO wouldn't even have a noticeable affect on the population numbers when you consider the amount of new players added a month, it would just be like a slow month. If they did it during the anniversary event, wouldn't even be a slow month.Nowadays I dabble in everything, but if they were to get rid of PVP I would legitimately think about not playing anymore, as would many.
Now ofcourse I do not want them to remove PvP, as quite a few players enjoy it. But PvP did have a negative impact on the game as a whole. Atleast, the way I see it.
No pvp isn't the reason why sets took a hit, I can recall countless times that zos did NOT want people soloing hard dungeons and people were doing just that on mag sorcs and other classes, so pvp isn't the driving point for the nerfs, I'm pretty sure zos doesn't want people hitting over 125k or more parses finishing their content back to back within a week, that is why keep releasing more grindy content.
Im sure dungeon soloing is why heavy armor is slower, takes more magic damage. And why light takes more physical damage. Yup the whole lopsided rock-paper-scissors armor matchup came from dungeon soloing.
Part of the problem IMO is that people look at that and take it as a personal slight. Just because a game mode was a driver in a decision doesn't mean YOU the player are at fault. Nor is it a personal attack on anyone.1 -
maboleth✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm almost gone. I visit the forums and the game from time to time and that's all.
Won't ever sub again or buy any expansion unless on a heavy sale.
Why?
Once you get into the mechanics, the whole game feels superficial, like one big quest stretched far too thin. Quests, NPCs, stories... don't matter, as nothing matters, nothing ever changes. Bosses change shape but ultimately can be categorized in several levels of difficulty - and none engaging. You seen 5, you seen them all. Rewards are pointless or extremely grindy and time consuming. In the end, fighting is nothing more than pressing 1-5 buttons at random. Beyond easy and boring.
And Cyrodiil... so stale, I can barely breathe.2 -
validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Specifically until the player base or player spending rate reaches a point that margin of return from ZOS budget allocation to ESO is no longer worth it. That is, after all, how companies work.
Ofcourse there is always a chance one day they decide to make an ESO 2, not all MMOs for for sequals, but some do and have great success - they usually dont do it while the userbase is growing though :PEU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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RupzSkooma✭✭✭✭ESO 6 will not affect ESO much. Initially it will lower the playerbase for a few months. But after the players are done with the singleplayer game, they will return to the mmo. MMO's are totally different beasts, and constantly updating. So players will be back.
Some players (including myself) are getting our ES fix through ESO and will drop it like a hot potato when ES6 is released. And because of mods, single-player ES games are also constantly updating. I'm sure there will be a few official DLCs too. I agree that some players will return, but not all, and the drop in population after the ES release will probably be quite significant.
(and only a few months for a single-player ES game? Many players, including myself, will play an ES game for at least a year or two before considering it done.)
I think people are really underestimating the power of modding lol
Also might I suggest EK II (Elder Scrolls mod) when it releases.The base game is a RPG hidden in Strategy but it is also like dynasty simulation and each character in the world is alive.CK3 is a SRPG and with amazing modding support and despite being single player those get supported for a decade.
I really hope TES VI will go in the route of PDS when it comes to supporting their game for a long time.If TES VI get long term DLC support like Borderlands series or CK series. I can drop ESO like a hot potato too.But otherwise I might return to ESO.MMORPG as a genre is really stagnant and everything is like Tamriel Disneyland
If I can explore more areas in a realistic environment in TES VI, there is literally no reason for me to return to TESO.
ESO artists are really talented and no shred of doubt in that but they are limited by the engine and MMORPG nature of the game.
They are trying to make the game solo friendly with each update but you know what really is solo friendly, an actual SRPG.
Also another counter point to the people who think we will all return definitely after TES VI but the thing is based on recent updates we can assume that vast majority of the player doesn’t care much about the MMO aspect of the game and those players will be harder to get back after TES VI.
But it is faaaar from now.
Edited by RupzSkooma on May 19, 2021 6:48PMElder Kings II is a Role Playing Elder Scrolls mod for Crusader Kings III.1 -
Iccotak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ES 6 will not affect ESO much. Initially it will lower the playerbase for a few months. But after the players are done with the singleplayer game, they will return to the mmo. MMO's are totally different beasts, and constantly updating. So players will be back.
PS: I'm not going anywhere, unless they manage to massively mess up the game somehow!
There are still people playing Skyrim, which will turn 10 years in november. TES VI will keep some people engaged for enough time to forget that ESO ever existed
I think too many people forget that what people wanted ESO to be was "Skyrim Online" but instead got a fairly standard MMO set in TES. A game that was obviously originally tab target that was refitted into an action combat system.
I still sometimes play Skyrim (modded of course) even to this day because I appreciate some things about its combat over ESO (vice versa) as well as its iconic atmosphere and immersion. I cannot fathom why Bethesda did not add more story content to Skyrim since 2012, with all the re-releases and clearly willing customers.
So yes I very much expect that ESO will see a hit in player numbers when ES6 comes out, which is why ESO will most likely do a Chapter that is inline with ES6 as like a special event. Play in the same zone with a 1000 year time difference4 -
crazepdx✭✭✭✭Well, look at me: I'm still playing GW (the first one). That's 18 years as far as I know! And the game keeps going, although GW2... Crazy
Soooooo... I wouldn't worry at all about ESO future
Cough cough eq1 is still alive. Although with some of the changes and other decisions that are coming from ZOS, I have to wonder if that wasn't a goal statement from them.0 -
Jeffrey530✭✭✭✭
If the refrigerator failed to keep things cold, would you expect a refund, or wait several years for the Maytag man to show up?
That literally makes you a consumer not an investor though. Using your logic I would be an investor in amazon, netflix, iphone, samsung, I wish I am lol but Im merely a consumer, since how they perform in the stock market does not affect me at all.0 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »If you like the game, play it. If you don't, don't. But coming to the forums and bashing everything about it is not constructive.
Aren't people supposed to be able to log onto a forum and become accurately informed about the primary subject that forum was established to discuss?
There is a big difference between discussing and bashing.PCNA2 -
omegatay_ESO✭✭✭✭Eso will be around (a long time) until a new mmorpg that caters to pve comes around. Pvp is not eso's focus. When you look at all the new mmo-pvp games coming, it would be wise to focus more on pve content, because that is eso's bread and butter I think.
Personally, I think the pvp genre is getting a bit saturated..1 -
OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I mean that's interesting and they do have plenty of landmass for chapters for at least the next 5-6 years but eventually they will run out of Tamriel and may need to go to Akavir or Atmora or somewhere else.Edited by OtarTheMad on May 20, 2021 8:45AM0 -
Pauwer✭✭✭✭✭
I feel removing PvP would actually benefit the game. So much time and effort has been spend on Cyrodiil, the game could have been twice the PvE-size it is now. Besides that, PVP has been making the gamebalance a mess. Where PvE is massively hit, by choices made for PvP balance. Skills, item sets, monster sets, tanking, etc... all took a massive PvE hit due to PvP.
Not near as many as you think.Removing PVP from ESO wouldn't even have a noticeable affect on the population numbers when you consider the amount of new players added a month, it would just be like a slow month. If they did it during the anniversary event, wouldn't even be a slow month.Nowadays I dabble in everything, but if they were to get rid of PVP I would legitimately think about not playing anymore, as would many.
Now ofcourse I do not want them to remove PvP, as quite a few players enjoy it. But PvP did have a negative impact on the game as a whole. Atleast, the way I see it.
So much time and effort has been spend on Cyrodiil? 🤔
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LadySinflower✭✭✭✭✭I've been playing for about 3 years and love the game. But I find myself playing less and less these days. I get on maybe once a week. I have a great guild but don't reach out to do things with them. I run my crafting writs, maybe do a few surveys or treasure maps, or do master writs if I have any. Then I usually go watch a movie on the Xbox instead of gaming. My activity picks up during events because I want the tickets / collectibles. It will pick up with the new chapter in a couple of weeks as well, but will die down once I've got all the antiquities, done the quests, and in this case leveled the companions. I haven't played any of the dungeons or trials in the last 2-3 DLCs. So we'll see if there comes a day when I just stop as well. Only in the past year or so have I started to feel that way, and it's mainly because of bugs they take too long to fix.0 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭We are too stubborn to leave.
If we werent, this game is over. Look at it and tell me you really like it. Its worse and worse and they do nothing with it.
There are players in this game that keeps reporting bugs, players on pts reporting bugs and balance issues but most, if not all of it is just being ignored. No acknowledgement from devs at all, no communication, just nothing.5 -
ThorianB✭✭✭✭✭
✭allhailskippy wrote: »
Yup, with some great looking PvP mmorpg's on the horizon players are waiting to jump ship with their guilds.
You know a very large majority of ESO players are PVE focused right? Even ones who do pvp also spend a large chunk of time willingly doing PVE. The players who leave for PVP games won't even make a noticable impact on game numbers.
I really don't understand what pvpers in this game act this is some huge pvp game. PVP is a small portion of the game world with a tiny portion of dev time spent on it. When we have MM, the amount of players flooding campaigns more than triples and that isn't even a decent portion of the PVE player base.
Personally, i think they should give up on PVP all together and do something useful with Cyro and IC. If they want to keep PVP do something like decent battlegrounds instead of the generic ones we currently have. Maybe even do some guild cities/guild wars in pocket planes of Oblivion. But the PVP we have now is terrible and i really don't understand why it has such diehard fans.
I would suggest not to make assumptions on how pvp should go, if you don't even pvp, because the same could be said about pve and it's dry and recycled content.
You should probably read this comment before making assumptions.
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- Forum account =/= game account. I have 4 anniversary cakes and thousands( as in multiples)of hours played in ESO
- I have multiple character between rank 10 and 20, my main pvp character is significantly higher than rank 20, all my characters have at least a few ranks on them.
- A lot of people, mostly pvpers, thinks PVP in ESO is terrible... or do you not actually read the forums and just post on them?
- Did you miss the part about hundreds of games? The person i was replying to assumed that i was a pver because i don't like PVP in ESO and how i should basically not have an opinion on ESO PVP because it's not my expertise. Then went on to say how they have been pvping since 2017 and went on about being "converted". I was pointing out that i have been PVPing about 20 years longer than they have been pvping in ESO and have more PVP hours logged in multiple individual pvp games than they have likely played ESO in total.
- Generally speaking, someone who likes PVP will PVP some in all games, in which i do. It's irrelevant where you pvp. PVP is always the same, the tools to do it with just change from game to game.
- I have primarily PVPed in MMORPGS and space fantasy MMOs as those are my two favorite MMO genres. My first was the OG, Ultima Online. My favorite MMORPG for PVP was Shadowbane which i played for almost it's entire existence. I have PVPed in most mainstream MMOs because i end up trying them at some point and if a game has PVP, i try it out.
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Which is also true about PvE players.
Why can't we just realize we are all gamers who just like different modes and leave it at that.2 -
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Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ES 6 will not affect ESO much. Initially it will lower the playerbase for a few months. But after the players are done with the singleplayer game, they will return to the mmo. MMO's are totally different beasts, and constantly updating. So players will be back.
PS: I'm not going anywhere, unless they manage to massively mess up the game somehow!
There are still people playing Skyrim, which will turn 10 years in november. TES VI will keep some people engaged for enough time to forget that ESO ever existed
I think too many people forget that what people wanted ESO to be was "Skyrim Online" but instead got a fairly standard MMO set in TES. A game that was obviously originally tab target that was refitted into an action combat system.
I still sometimes play Skyrim (modded of course) even to this day because I appreciate some things about its combat over ESO (vice versa) as well as its iconic atmosphere and immersion. I cannot fathom why Bethesda did not add more story content to Skyrim since 2012, with all the re-releases and clearly willing customers.
So yes I very much expect that ESO will see a hit in player numbers when ES6 comes out, which is why ESO will most likely do a Chapter that is inline with ES6 as like a special event. Play in the same zone with a 1000 year time difference
Not everyone wanted that. When the game was about to launch, it was heavily promoted as a PVP MMORPG, so many of us PVPers who came from SWG, DAoC, WoW, even EQ2(it used to have PVP), wanted ESO to be the Planetside 2 of fantasy MMORPG's. The fact that ZOS brought in ex-devs from DAoC to help design Cyrodiil was a selling point...was supposed to be a DAoC 2.0 in that regard.
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ThorianB✭✭✭✭✭
✭allhailskippy wrote: »
Yup, with some great looking PvP mmorpg's on the horizon players are waiting to jump ship with their guilds.
You know a very large majority of ESO players are PVE focused right? Even ones who do pvp also spend a large chunk of time willingly doing PVE. The players who leave for PVP games won't even make a noticable impact on game numbers.
I really don't understand what pvpers in this game act this is some huge pvp game. PVP is a small portion of the game world with a tiny portion of dev time spent on it. When we have MM, the amount of players flooding campaigns more than triples and that isn't even a decent portion of the PVE player base.
Personally, i think they should give up on PVP all together and do something useful with Cyro and IC. If they want to keep PVP do something like decent battlegrounds instead of the generic ones we currently have. Maybe even do some guild cities/guild wars in pocket planes of Oblivion. But the PVP we have now is terrible and i really don't understand why it has such diehard fans.
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- Forum account =/= game account. I have 4 anniversary cakes and thousands( as in multiples)of hours played in ESO
- I have multiple character between rank 10 and 20, my main pvp character is significantly higher than rank 20, all my characters have at least a few ranks on them.
- A lot of people, mostly pvpers, thinks PVP in ESO is terrible... or do you not actually read the forums and just post on them?
- Did you miss the part about hundreds of games? The person i was replying to assumed that i was a pver because i don't like PVP in ESO and how i should basically not have an opinion on ESO PVP because it's not my expertise. Then went on to say how they have been pvping since 2017 and went on about being "converted". I was pointing out that i have been PVPing about 20 years longer than they have been pvping in ESO and have more PVP hours logged in multiple individual pvp games than they have likely played ESO in total.
- Generally speaking, someone who likes PVP will PVP some in all games, in which i do. It's irrelevant where you pvp. PVP is always the same, the tools to do it with just change from game to game.
- I have primarily PVPed in MMORPGS and space fantasy MMOs as those are my two favorite MMO genres. My first was the OG, Ultima Online. My favorite MMORPG for PVP was Shadowbane which i played for almost it's entire existence. I have PVPed in most mainstream MMOs because i end up trying them at some point and if a game has PVP, i try it out.
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If a game makes me unhappy, i move on. If i don't like the PVP in a game, like this one, I move on. sure i might do a BG now and then but i quit doing PVP in ESO because i don't like the state it is in. If PVP was the only thing holding me here i would move on. There are thousands of games with PVP, i know i can find many that i enjoy better.
I stay in ESO for other reasons. One is that this is literally the only video game my wife will play. Two i like the stories/quests. Three, I like the economy. Four, I like the housing/crafting system( mostly). If PVP was the only thing in this game for me and i didn't like it, i would leave.
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