Elder Scrolls Online won’t end until the players leave

Scallan

Youyouz06 wrote: »

Well if they lose a player base over time the game will just slowly turn into F2P then slowly die out I suppose....that's the end of all MMO genre games at some point, right?

I hope they crank out another few years and surprise us with some innovative content and story design. We'll see...I do agree that the current model is a bit of a fastfood chain kitchen with the same old routines and ingredients day in and day out.

If the playerbase dwindles it will just go into "MMO maintenance mode" where the servers are kept up but there's no new content or the new content is very, very small and slowly drip-fed to the playerbase.

I don't see that happening anytime soon with ESO thankfully.

gariondavey

Scallan wrote: »

If the new LOTR MMO Amazon is working on doesn't turn into a cash-grabby P2W/Pay for Convenience mess (likely, cause Amazon) I might move over to that whenever it comes out.

I've been thoroughly disappointed by the PVP changes ZOS has been making recently and stopped playing as much because of that. As well, I've been playing the game since 2015 and my opinion on the crown store decision-making has only gotten worse and worse over time. I'm not a newcomer to the game and am fairly jaded at this point.

Not all doom and gloom though, I do still love the game. It does *a lot* of things better than other MMO's and I really do appreciate that. It's why I've stuck around so long. They have a great game on their hands, its just sometimes it feels like two steps forward, one step back you know?

Didn't that mmo get cancelled? The Chinese company making it got bought out and the contract cancelled

Sju

Scallan wrote: »

If the new LOTR MMO Amazon is working on doesn't turn into a cash-grabby P2W/Pay for Convenience mess (likely, cause Amazon) I might move over to that whenever it comes out.

I've been thoroughly disappointed by the PVP changes ZOS has been making recently and stopped playing as much because of that. As well, I've been playing the game since 2015 and my opinion on the crown store decision-making has only gotten worse and worse over time. I'm not a newcomer to the game and am fairly jaded at this point.

Not all doom and gloom though, I do still love the game. It does *a lot* of things better than other MMO's and I really do appreciate that. It's why I've stuck around so long. They have a great game on their hands, its just sometimes it feels like two steps forward, one step back you know?

It might already have plans to implement a copycat crown store. They fired warning shots even: "in the beginning we will have cosmetic items only...."
Still looks decent enough to try.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Elder scrolls wont end until the cost of keeping the CS up and running outweighs the revenue it generates. Also, water is wet.

CSose

Wolfpaw wrote: »

khyrkat wrote: »

Alurria wrote: »

khyrkat wrote: »

"Game is dead!" "People are leaving!" "ESO will lose majority of players!"
blah blah blah all the time, not only with this game. I remember when particularly rough patch hit Neverwinter Online, game is still there even though they introduced yet another patch that is simply a nope. Still people playing and it will be like that here. Until they decide to close the servers entirely like Wild Star did, the game is not goin' away. Which is good because frankly I am addicted despite many times I am simply so pissed off with how ZOS manage things... But it's a corpo. As long as money is incoming, they will stay. And despite being really salty, I will stay too.

That brings me to this point of how much does this forum full of negative threads influence people's thinking towards this game? I always see lots of these threads that are nothing but complaints instead of suggestion and debate. Sometimes I walk away after reading the forums and think why do I subject myself to much negative and I remind myself I am looking for that one person who has a actual good suggestion for fixing whatever issue is at hand. Or a positive thread I mean everyone on this forum should be playing and if they are it can't be that bad can it? Who keeps playing a game they are fed up with? Do they like being miserable? Just some thoughts on these threads. The game will shut down when it is shut down and not before then. Play have fun and quit being so serious. Remember why you are here.

Most people come to forum to complain, to point out something. Rarely to praise (and really, there are so many things to be praised in ESO). But forum does not contain majority of players actively playing, yes? So anyone taking any game forum as an indicator of general game community mood is misleaded.
I do enjoy the game. A lot. Despite its flaws. It let me overcome my anxiety in a way I can again talk to people. This is precious.

So you joined in 2020 and play content that rarely has game breaking performance.

Why not add some empathy to your toolkit towards the players that supported this game for years that have had their content performance tossed in the garbage for your playstyle.

Trust me the pvp community mood on the these forums is not misleading.

Something to think about.

At some point people have to stop listening to the promises and make judgements based on results. You know, like everyone who invests in a product has to do. And yes, the people who have more than 5 years of ESO plus on their records are investors. They've paid literally thousands of dollars to play ESO over the years.

RupzSkooma

ESO is a game I enjoy quite a bit.I play on and off for a few months.Right now I am going to play until Elder Kings II releases and then move to Elder Kings II and then when I am burnt out I might comeback to eso again if they have more awesome features at that time.
I wouldn’t rank ESO in my top 10 favourite game or RPG but it is still something I enjoy a lot.
So I leave for few years and then return and get hooked and burnt out and leave.

Only game I never get burnt out is Crusader Kings 3 because of the total overhaul mods soon Elder Scrolls mod.It was Morrowind and Modrim for a while and then burnt out of those either.

AzuraFan

I predict a significant population drop when Elder Scrolls VI is released. I think that's one reason Bethesda is taking so long with it. They know it will affect ESO in a bad way.

DMuehlhausen

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

Recent WP Interview with Matt Firor.
https://washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/05/13/elder-scrolls-blackwood-zenimax/

Which is true for basically every game unless a new company buys the game and ends the IP. Vanguard even held on for like 6 years with only several thousand people playing it.

Sarannah

ES 6 will not affect ESO much. Initially it will lower the playerbase for a few months. But after the players are done with the singleplayer game, they will return to the mmo. MMO's are totally different beasts, and constantly updating. So players will be back.

PS: I'm not going anywhere, unless they manage to massively mess up the game somehow!

coop500

Wolfpaw wrote: »

allhailskippy wrote: »

Odovacar wrote: »

We will NEVER LEAVE

I thought so too, and yet here I am. Offline for the longest amount of time since I started playing with my auto-renew turned off on my ESO+.

Everyone has their breaking point.

Yup, with some great looking PvP mmorpg's on the horizon players are waiting to jump ship with their guilds.

Not for those of us who only like PVE lol

FlopsyPrince

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Elder scrolls wont end until the cost of keeping the CS up and running outweighs the revenue it generates. Also, water is wet.

It will likely stop a fair bit before that. Most companies want bigger profits than just a bit. Many games have shut down even though they could have at least broken even in maintenance mode, but it was not worth going into that mode.

SilverBride

CSose wrote: »

...the people who have more than 5 years of ESO plus on their records are investors. They've paid literally thousands of dollars to play ESO over the years.

Not necessarily. If someone subbed for 5 years, they spent approximately $900, less if they did 3 month periods or longer. If they didn't sub, that cost would be $0. If they purchased chapters and dlcs for 5 years, they spent approximately $100 - $200. This at most would total approximately $1100, not thousands. I am not counting crown store purchases because they are not necessary to play the game, and someone choosing to spend extravagantly does not make them an investor.

Players are consumers, not investors.

coletas

Yeah, there will be 60fps on consoles... The question is... The abilities will fire in ciro in less than 5 seconds?

allhailskippy

SilverBride wrote: »

CSose wrote: »

...the people who have more than 5 years of ESO plus on their records are investors. They've paid literally thousands of dollars to play ESO over the years.

Not necessarily. If someone subbed for 5 years, they spent approximately $900, less if they did 3 month periods or longer. If they didn't sub, that cost would be $0. If they purchased chapters and dlcs for 5 years, they spent approximately $100 - $200. This at most would total approximately $1100, not thousands. I am not counting crown store purchases because they are not necessary to play the game, and someone choosing to spend extravagantly does not make them an investor.

Players are consumers, not investors.

I'm well into the thousands spent over my time here. Pretty sure I'd qualify as a 'whale' by most metrics. I definitely don't consider myself an investor. Just a heavy consumer.

Or rather, former, heavy consumer. It's crystal clear that nothing will change unless people speak with their wallets. And I hope I'm speaking loudly that the current status quo is not acceptable.

Adaarye

Scallan wrote: »

If the new LOTR MMO Amazon is working on doesn't turn into a cash-grabby P2W/Pay for Convenience mess (likely, cause Amazon) I might move over to that whenever it comes out.

I've been thoroughly disappointed by the PVP changes ZOS has been making recently and stopped playing as much because of that. As well, I've been playing the game since 2015 and my opinion on the crown store decision-making has only gotten worse and worse over time. I'm not a newcomer to the game and am fairly jaded at this point.

Not all doom and gloom though, I do still love the game. It does *a lot* of things better than other MMO's and I really do appreciate that. It's why I've stuck around so long. They have a great game on their hands, its just sometimes it feels like two steps forward, one step back you know?

If this is the one that was up for preorder on Steam almost two years ago (Won't say the name here. I'm not sure if it's against the rules) then my steam library indicates that the game is stuck at "coming soon". Every time there is a release date, the game gets cancelled again.

CSose

SilverBride wrote: »

CSose wrote: »

...the people who have more than 5 years of ESO plus on their records are investors. They've paid literally thousands of dollars to play ESO over the years.

Not necessarily. If someone subbed for 5 years, they spent approximately $900, less if they did 3 month periods or longer. If they didn't sub, that cost would be $0. If they purchased chapters and dlcs for 5 years, they spent approximately $100 - $200. This at most would total approximately $1100, not thousands. I am not counting crown store purchases because they are not necessary to play the game, and someone choosing to spend extravagantly does not make them an investor.

Players are consumers, not investors.

Do you realize that ZOS refers to everyone who posts on this forum as "content creators"? I find it interesting that you think $1000 plus is not an investment or a significant value.

SilverBride

allhailskippy wrote: »

It's crystal clear that nothing will change unless people speak with their wallets. And I hope I'm speaking loudly that the current status quo is not acceptable.

What exactly is the current status quo? I don't lag. I encounter few bugs. My current status quo is a fun playable game. I use few addons which may be why I have few problems. That can be the cause of a lot of the problems players encounter.

I may not agree with every tweak and change that is implemented, but I don't expect to because they can't please everyone. But it in no means diminishes my ability to have a good time and enjoy the game.

ZoS does as good a job with ESO as any other MMO out there.

The_Old_Goat

Scallan wrote: »

If the new LOTR MMO Amazon is working on doesn't turn into a cash-grabby P2W/Pay for Convenience mess (likely, cause Amazon) I might move over to that whenever it comes out.

I've been thoroughly disappointed by the PVP changes ZOS has been making recently and stopped playing as much because of that. As well, I've been playing the game since 2015 and my opinion on the crown store decision-making has only gotten worse and worse over time. I'm not a newcomer to the game and am fairly jaded at this point.

Not all doom and gloom though, I do still love the game. It does *a lot* of things better than other MMO's and I really do appreciate that. It's why I've stuck around so long. They have a great game on their hands, its just sometimes it feels like two steps forward, one step back you know?

That game has already been cancelled unless I misheard...unfortunate.

Tandor

Sarannah wrote: »

ESO 6 will not affect ESO much. Initially it will lower the playerbase for a few months. But after the players are done with the singleplayer game, they will return to the mmo. MMO's are totally different beasts, and constantly updating. So players will be back.

PS: I'm not going anywhere, unless they manage to massively mess up the game somehow!

Not only that, but many of them will maintain their ESO subscriptions(s) while playing ESO 6 anyway.

SilverBride

CSose wrote: »

Do you realize that ZOS refers to everyone who posts on this forum as "content creators"? I find it interesting that you think $1000 plus is not an investment or a significant value.

It's not an investment in the sense that we are investors with a legal say in how things are done. I never said it wasn't a significant amount, but compared to what we pay for cable TV, internet, streaming services, movies, dinners out and other forms of entertainment... it is a great value.

JMadFour

Scallan wrote: »

If the new LOTR MMO Amazon is working on doesn't turn into a cash-grabby P2W/Pay for Convenience mess (likely, cause Amazon) I might move over to that whenever it comes out.

I could have sworn that Amazon killed that MMO.

Am I remembering wrong?

NeoAntiquus

gariondavey wrote: »

Scallan wrote: »

If the new LOTR MMO Amazon is working on doesn't turn into a cash-grabby P2W/Pay for Convenience mess (likely, cause Amazon) I might move over to that whenever it comes out.

I've been thoroughly disappointed by the PVP changes ZOS has been making recently and stopped playing as much because of that. As well, I've been playing the game since 2015 and my opinion on the crown store decision-making has only gotten worse and worse over time. I'm not a newcomer to the game and am fairly jaded at this point.

Not all doom and gloom though, I do still love the game. It does *a lot* of things better than other MMO's and I really do appreciate that. It's why I've stuck around so long. They have a great game on their hands, its just sometimes it feels like two steps forward, one step back you know?

Didn't that mmo get cancelled? The Chinese company making it got bought out and the contract cancelled

Yeppers, Amazon LOTR MMO cancelled.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/amazon-cancels-the-lord-of-the-rings-mmo

AzuraFan

Sarannah wrote: »

ESO 6 will not affect ESO much. Initially it will lower the playerbase for a few months. But after the players are done with the singleplayer game, they will return to the mmo. MMO's are totally different beasts, and constantly updating. So players will be back.

Some players (including myself) are getting our ES fix through ESO and will drop it like a hot potato when ES6 is released. And because of mods, single-player ES games are also constantly updating. I'm sure there will be a few official DLCs too. I agree that some players will return, but not all, and the drop in population after the ES release will probably be quite significant.

(and only a few months for a single-player ES game? Many players, including myself, will play an ES game for at least a year or two before considering it done.)

Goregrinder

allhailskippy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

CSose wrote: »

...the people who have more than 5 years of ESO plus on their records are investors. They've paid literally thousands of dollars to play ESO over the years.

Not necessarily. If someone subbed for 5 years, they spent approximately $900, less if they did 3 month periods or longer. If they didn't sub, that cost would be $0. If they purchased chapters and dlcs for 5 years, they spent approximately $100 - $200. This at most would total approximately $1100, not thousands. I am not counting crown store purchases because they are not necessary to play the game, and someone choosing to spend extravagantly does not make them an investor.

Players are consumers, not investors.

I'm well into the thousands spent over my time here. Pretty sure I'd qualify as a 'whale' by most metrics. I definitely don't consider myself an investor. Just a heavy consumer.

Or rather, former, heavy consumer. It's crystal clear that nothing will change unless people speak with their wallets. And I hope I'm speaking loudly that the current status quo is not acceptable.

Yeah I think I'm closing in on the $5k mark myself, but that's over 7 years so really that's a drop in the bucket compared to what the whales have put in. But you are right, vote with your wallet, because the whales certainly are.

doesurmindglow

"The game is dying. The players are leaving. The releases are failing."



I have a great many issues with the game, its performance, its technical support, and some of its content trends. But the numbers clearly don't support the argument it's in any real trouble.

redspecter23

If the response from ZOS is that the game stays alive as long as players stay and play, I'd respond by saying, if a bunch of players up and leave, who do you think is responsible for that reaction?

Goregrinder

doesurmindglow wrote: »

"The game is dying. The players are leaving. The releases are failing."



I have a great many issues with the game, its performance, its technical support, and some of its content trends. But the numbers clearly don't support the argument it's in any real trouble.

That's players using the steam version of the client. That doesn't include all ESO players, and does not account for players who still play but stopped using the steam client because it causes problems. Steam charts only tracks steam user's playing a game.

This is a very inaccurate way to measure if a game is dying, especially a game that only marginally exists on steam.

DMuehlhausen

doesurmindglow wrote: »

"The game is dying. The players are leaving. The releases are failing."



I have a great many issues with the game, its performance, its technical support, and some of its content trends. But the numbers clearly don't support the argument it's in any real trouble.

Well yeah and that just shows Steam which is the vast minority of the playerbase. Most just have it installed on their PC directly. It's not the most successful MMO technically in history. There are over 15 million active subs across all platforms.

ehgz

The game is a good value. I can play a lot of hours for very little money.

It does bother me that some things are behind a paywall like DLC, Necros, etc.

ADarklore

Ugh... dupe post...