Why do people hate argonians?

Olauron

Lugaldu wrote: »

Olauron wrote: »

1. They are lizards. Good for soup, not so much for anything else.

Who eats lizard soup, not even we as Bosmer do that (at least not in my family)?

Nero Wolfe and any self-respecting gourmet.

Bradyfjord

Hate is a strong word. I don't hate anyone.

In ESO, I have a argonian alt. The race I cannot get into is khajiit.

Pendrillion

I really like Argonians. They were a bit unwieldy to play and kinda hard to work through the beginning in TES III. And of course a Nerevarine coming back as an Argonian would be problematic for most Dunmers AT BEST... And with all the Saxhleel background its rather unlikely that an Argonian would appear on Nirn as reincarated soul of a fallen Dunmer Hero. Yet the Irony would be a delicios one.

I liked their look in Oblivion and Skyrim. They really looked alien and kinda dangerous.

So the first alt I created in ESO was an Argonian, and I am damn proud of him. He is, pretty Lukiul though. He is a descendant of a long line of slaves that were kept in the family of my Dunmer main. But was freed through the pact.

He is also kind of the opposite and atypical Argonian whatsoever, because he is fascinated with Dwemer machines and became a adept of Sotha Sil.

He also got back into contact with his original Saxhleel heritage which he tries to merge and incoroporate with his upbringing and his interests.

Also he is a Mag Sorc focusing on Destruction and Healing. Surely nothing that we could call optimised for maximal efficience in dungeon runs. But he does well in PVE.

So for the racism. I see it a lot in zone. And I think a lot of very bigotted people use games like this to give this side of their character free reign.

That doesnt mean that I suspect anyone who cracks a joke as someone racist. But I find at least a little suspicious especially when they get defensive about it.

Sinolai

I don't like their accents but I like Argonians as a race. I doubt most people really hate them. Just generally dislike them or finds them uninteresting.

Hoolielulu

I don't hate Argonians, I hate Wood Elves.

Alarde

Look, i don't see in game the amount of hate you described.

In my case i always tend to roleplay a race that doesn't like most or straight up grow hate on them. OOC i love the argonian culture, just not as much as i enjoy playing a mer.

About the poll: who cares! It doesn't relflect everyone's opinion on the race. The argonian lore is very secluded in the series. Most people that read about it are either those who ate bits of it on other races lore or went for it. Tough i agree they should have a more elaborate expansion and even a game, i don't think they are hated besides the memes.

Bekkael

Like many others, I don't hate Argonian in the slightest, but I don't have any Argonian characters either.

I have Nord, Breton, Bosmer, and Imperial, all female, and I have a token male Altmer that I roleplay as King Thranduil. 😉

I like characters I can easily relate to, so I don't play Dunmer, Orc, Redguard, Argonian, or Khajiit. Mostly because I don't like how they look in ESO, as I only played as Dunmer in Oblivion, for example (blue elves are so pretty!).

As NPCs, I love all TES races, as they all have rich and interesting lore, but for roleplay I only like a handful.

Everyone should play the game in the way that they most enjoy, and respect and support all their fellow gamer's to do the same. 👍

Tommy_The_Gun

Argonians & Khajiits are my 2 favourite races - And there is simple reason for it.

Almost every cRPG game has very limited options when it comes to race choices. 90% of times you can be a human dude, elf and sometimes a dwarf. And that is pretty much it. Very rarely you can be half-orc for example, not even mentioning other races. So, if I played all of those games, I am kinda fed-up with "plain" races. So, naturally when I played TES III, it was a breath of fresh air, as you could be a cat-person or lizards person. Also, I loved how Morrowind tried to make beasts-races distinct by adding animal-like feet, different walking and swimming animations and going as far as not allowing them to wear shoes

Next "TES" games are a down-hill as basically best-races are same as normal ones, but with different head model and tail glued to the back.

Thankfully this "lazy" trend is kinda going away. DOS2 had lizard as playable race and BG3 will have Dragonborn.

Anyway, my favourite race in ESO is Argonian - simply because it is the most unique race. No other game has something like this. All other races are humans or elves, or other "mammals"

The only thing that I kinda dislike is that ZOS is forcing this "primitive" nature of Argonians, showing them as basically different tribes, without any statehood and unity. That is kinda different vs what we see in different games and what other pieces of lore indicate. But, maybe it is only they ESO timeline and it is simply unknown yet.

Also, I am kinda disappointed that we are not getting a full "Argonian chapter" - but rather a mixture of Imperial / Argonian / Khajiit... Especially if you look back at Elsweyr and see what a "real" Chapter should look like... Eh, I guess I am jealous now... but how can one not be if ZOS showed us what happens if they care about certain race and they place it on the pedestal for 1 year...

As for the "virtual" racism and people on zone chat often saying mean things... I think that the line between "RP" and actually saying offensive thing is very thin. It is in fact so thin that I would strongly recommend to any RP-er there to indicate in someway that they are not serious (for example use the RP chat channel or type "RP:" When actually role-playing in zone chat). And the reason for that is simple:

We all chose our class and race to what we like. Some people create characters based on how they look in RL, to be more immersive. Others like to fantasize. Either way, if someone likes cats, they will play as Khajiit and identify with their avatar. Same if someone likes dragons or reptiles - they will play as Argonian and identify with their in-game avatar.
By saying mean things (without stating that you RP) towards any ESO's playable race, you are automatically mean and offensive towards people who identify with certain race.

agegarton

In truth, Argonians are great.

Especially if you get the seasoning just right.

emilyhyoyeon

I can't believe some people are denying the obvious hate for argonians. I've been deeply into this franchise since 2008 and from the start (reading the Bethesda TES forums, talking to friends who liked TES), there was so much vocal argonian dislike. It is obvious.

I think argonian dislike is definitely the most loud even if it's not the most plentiful.

Argonians are one of my favorite races but I definitely think a huge majority of the hate comes from people wanting to scapegoat something and argonians are the most on the surface scapegoated race in TES. People like othering things, TES related or not.

Elsonso

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I can't believe some people are denying the obvious hate for argonians. I've been deeply into this franchise since 2008 and from the start (reading the Bethesda TES forums, talking to friends who liked TES), there was so much vocal argonian dislike. It is obvious.

I think argonian dislike is definitely the most loud even if it's not the most plentiful.

Argonians are one of my favorite races but I definitely think a huge majority of the hate comes from people wanting to scapegoat something and argonians are the most on the surface scapegoated race in TES. People like othering things, TES related or not.

It is interesting that people pick on Argonians rather than Orcs. I think Orc is actually the least used of the 9 races, and therefore least liked, in the game.

Ryuvain

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Argonians & Khajiits are my 2 favourite races - And there is simple reason for it.

Almost every cRPG game has very limited options when it comes to race choices. 90% of times you can be a human dude, elf and sometimes a dwarf. And that is pretty much it. Very rarely you can be half-orc for example, not even mentioning other races. So, if I played all of those games, I am kinda fed-up with "plain" races. So, naturally when I played TES III, it was a breath of fresh air, as you could be a cat-person or lizards person. Also, I loved how Morrowind tried to make beasts-races distinct by adding animal-like feet, different walking and swimming animations and going as far as not allowing them to wear shoes

Next "TES" games are a down-hill as basically best-races are same as normal ones, but with different head model and tail glued to the back.

Thankfully this "lazy" trend is kinda going away. DOS2 had lizard as playable race and BG3 will have Dragonborn.

Anyway, my favourite race in ESO is Argonian - simply because it is the most unique race. No other game has something like this. All other races are humans or elves, or other "mammals"

The only thing that I kinda dislike is that ZOS is forcing this "primitive" nature of Argonians, showing them as basically different tribes, without any statehood and unity. That is kinda different vs what we see in different games and what other pieces of lore indicate. But, maybe it is only they ESO timeline and it is simply unknown yet.

Also, I am kinda disappointed that we are not getting a full "Argonian chapter" - but rather a mixture of Imperial / Argonian / Khajiit... Especially if you look back at Elsweyr and see what a "real" Chapter should look like... Eh, I guess I am jealous now... but how can one not be if ZOS showed us what happens if they care about certain race and they place it on the pedestal for 1 year...

As for the "virtual" racism and people on zone chat often saying mean things... I think that the line between "RP" and actually saying offensive thing is very thin. It is in fact so thin that I would strongly recommend to any RP-er there to indicate in someway that they are not serious (for example use the RP chat channel or type "RP:" When actually role-playing in zone chat). And the reason for that is simple:

We all chose our class and race to what we like. Some people create characters based on how they look in RL, to be more immersive. Others like to fantasize. Either way, if someone likes cats, they will play as Khajiit and identify with their avatar. Same if someone likes dragons or reptiles - they will play as Argonian and identify with their in-game avatar.
By saying mean things (without stating that you RP) towards any ESO's playable race, you are automatically mean and offensive towards people who identify with certain race.

This is exactly why those two races are my favorites. Also is why I don't play most rpgs. Generic humans and elves in 99% of games bore me before I even start. Being an animal and pet lover is bonus points.

ApoAlaia

Argonians freak me out because for all we know they are actually not a separate lifeform anymore but a mobile, prehensile, semi-autonomous extension of the Hist which in turn is a completely alien lifeform in shape, thought and motivation.

It is entirely possible that they [the Hist] might be non-linear too, unbound from the arrow of time.

The whole proposition is unnerving to say the least.

Tommy_The_Gun

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Argonians freak me out because for all we know they are actually not a separate lifeform anymore but a mobile, prehensile, semi-autonomous extension of the Hist which in turn is a completely alien lifeform in shape, thought and motivation.

It is entirely possible that they [the Hist] might be non-linear too, unbound from the arrow of time.

The whole proposition is unnerving to say the least.

That is not true at all... Argonians are not "automatons" that are being controlled by hist's wi-fi, lol that is not how it works

Argonians that are gifted (not all, usually only some can) can communicate with the hist, they have free will and they can do what they want.

It is same as Dunmers & Tribunal. They listen to tribunal not because they have to or are forced to, but because they have free will and they listen to them as they know tribunal is wise and will take care of them.

Hist is the same thing for Argonians. Also, Argonians who live far away form black marsh and hist trees, somehow do not struggle and can have prosperous live, despite living without hist tree.

Ringing_Nirnroot

I love argonians because they are the closest to humanoid dragons

ApoAlaia

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Argonians freak me out because for all we know they are actually not a separate lifeform anymore but a mobile, prehensile, semi-autonomous extension of the Hist which in turn is a completely alien lifeform in shape, thought and motivation.

It is entirely possible that they [the Hist] might be non-linear too, unbound from the arrow of time.

The whole proposition is unnerving to say the least.

That is not true at all... Argonians are not "automatons" that are being controlled by hist's wi-fi, lol that is not how it works

Argonians that are gifted (not all, usually only some can) can communicate with the hist, they have free will and they can do what they want.

It is same as Dunmers & Tribunal. They listen to tribunal not because they have to or are forced to, but because they have free will and they listen to them as they know tribunal is wise and will take care of them.

Hist is the same thing for Argonians. Also, Argonians who live far away form black marsh and hist trees, somehow do not struggle and can have prosperous live, despite living without hist tree.

Except when for instance the Oblivion crisis happened, which the Hist either predicted or they had already known about (one and the same thing if one is non-linear) and the Argonians are compelled to behave in a very specific way, amassing where the portals would open and actually taking the offensive as soon as they did, catching the daedra 'with their pants down'.

There are many hints throughout the lore that point towards this 'hypothesis'; collective compulsions, straying away from their ancestral culture and embracing their current fatalist/impermanent worldview which permeates their entire society, the almost physiological need to 'return to the Hist', their dependence on the Hist's ebbs and flows for reproduction... I could go on but the hints are there.

Tommy_The_Gun

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Argonians freak me out because for all we know they are actually not a separate lifeform anymore but a mobile, prehensile, semi-autonomous extension of the Hist which in turn is a completely alien lifeform in shape, thought and motivation.

It is entirely possible that they [the Hist] might be non-linear too, unbound from the arrow of time.

The whole proposition is unnerving to say the least.

That is not true at all... Argonians are not "automatons" that are being controlled by hist's wi-fi, lol that is not how it works

Argonians that are gifted (not all, usually only some can) can communicate with the hist, they have free will and they can do what they want.

It is same as Dunmers & Tribunal. They listen to tribunal not because they have to or are forced to, but because they have free will and they listen to them as they know tribunal is wise and will take care of them.

Hist is the same thing for Argonians. Also, Argonians who live far away form black marsh and hist trees, somehow do not struggle and can have prosperous live, despite living without hist tree.

Except when for instance the Oblivion crisis happens, which the Hist either predicted or they had already known about (one and the same thing if one is non-linear) and the Argonians are compelled to behave in a very specific way, amassing where the portals would open and actually taking the offensive as soon as they do, catching the daedra 'with their pants down'.

Hist showed them the way, true, but It did not brain-washed them or anything. They still had free will. They were just defending their homeland & the hist.

Also important part is to understand that this "awesome" move (forcing Daedra to evacuate lol) was done only in tribal societies, where connection with the hist is stronger. In other parts of Tamriel, Argonians were not involved as much in Oblivion Crisis.

Anyway, same thing would have happened if Daedra invaded Deshan or Vivec or Clockwork city (home of tribunal). Many Dunmer with religious passion & tribunal's blessing would fight to defend their lands and tribunal.

Elsonso

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Argonians freak me out because for all we know they are actually not a separate lifeform anymore but a mobile, prehensile, semi-autonomous extension of the Hist which in turn is a completely alien lifeform in shape, thought and motivation.

It is entirely possible that they [the Hist] might be non-linear too, unbound from the arrow of time.

The whole proposition is unnerving to say the least.

That is not true at all... Argonians are not "automatons" that are being controlled by hist's wi-fi, lol that is not how it works

That's what they want you to believe.

ApoAlaia

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Argonians freak me out because for all we know they are actually not a separate lifeform anymore but a mobile, prehensile, semi-autonomous extension of the Hist which in turn is a completely alien lifeform in shape, thought and motivation.

It is entirely possible that they [the Hist] might be non-linear too, unbound from the arrow of time.

The whole proposition is unnerving to say the least.

That is not true at all... Argonians are not "automatons" that are being controlled by hist's wi-fi, lol that is not how it works

Argonians that are gifted (not all, usually only some can) can communicate with the hist, they have free will and they can do what they want.

It is same as Dunmers & Tribunal. They listen to tribunal not because they have to or are forced to, but because they have free will and they listen to them as they know tribunal is wise and will take care of them.

Hist is the same thing for Argonians. Also, Argonians who live far away form black marsh and hist trees, somehow do not struggle and can have prosperous live, despite living without hist tree.

Except when for instance the Oblivion crisis happens, which the Hist either predicted or they had already known about (one and the same thing if one is non-linear) and the Argonians are compelled to behave in a very specific way, amassing where the portals would open and actually taking the offensive as soon as they do, catching the daedra 'with their pants down'.

Hist showed them the way, true, but It did not brain-washed them or anything. They still had free will. They were just defending their homeland & the hist.

Also important part is to understand that this "awesome" move (forcing Daedra to evacuate lol) was done only in tribal societies, where connection with the hist is stronger. In other parts of Tamriel, Argonians were not involved as much in Oblivion Crisis.

Anyway, same thing would have happened if Daedra invaded Deshan or Vivec or Clockwork city (home of tribunal). Many Dunmer with religious passion & tribunal's blessing would fight to defend their lands and tribunal.

It is implied that they did not in fact - the majority anyway - exercise free will; they were compelled to act in that way without understanding why and to deal with any... dissension with extreme prejudice.

Hallothiel

Have 3 Argonians. Love how they look!

Would chose Argonian over Bosmer or Dunmer any day. Or Nord. But especially Bosmer. Would stop playing if had to play a Bosmer. Utterly loathe their lore, and their voice acting is so painful to one who is British.

Had guild member who liked to post pics of Dunmer oppressing Argonian slaves. Was not in guild for long. Idiot.

Argonians are, to me, a fabulous race with an interesting history & lore, and I like uniqueness. Also, were they not the only race to defeat Dagon during the Oblivion crisis?

(Will point out to person posting upthread that I have 2 Redguards, as like them too)

Tommy_The_Gun

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Argonians freak me out because for all we know they are actually not a separate lifeform anymore but a mobile, prehensile, semi-autonomous extension of the Hist which in turn is a completely alien lifeform in shape, thought and motivation.

It is entirely possible that they [the Hist] might be non-linear too, unbound from the arrow of time.

The whole proposition is unnerving to say the least.

That is not true at all... Argonians are not "automatons" that are being controlled by hist's wi-fi, lol that is not how it works

Argonians that are gifted (not all, usually only some can) can communicate with the hist, they have free will and they can do what they want.

It is same as Dunmers & Tribunal. They listen to tribunal not because they have to or are forced to, but because they have free will and they listen to them as they know tribunal is wise and will take care of them.

Hist is the same thing for Argonians. Also, Argonians who live far away form black marsh and hist trees, somehow do not struggle and can have prosperous live, despite living without hist tree.

Except when for instance the Oblivion crisis happens, which the Hist either predicted or they had already known about (one and the same thing if one is non-linear) and the Argonians are compelled to behave in a very specific way, amassing where the portals would open and actually taking the offensive as soon as they do, catching the daedra 'with their pants down'.

Hist showed them the way, true, but It did not brain-washed them or anything. They still had free will. They were just defending their homeland & the hist.

Also important part is to understand that this "awesome" move (forcing Daedra to evacuate lol) was done only in tribal societies, where connection with the hist is stronger. In other parts of Tamriel, Argonians were not involved as much in Oblivion Crisis.

Anyway, same thing would have happened if Daedra invaded Deshan or Vivec or Clockwork city (home of tribunal). Many Dunmer with religious passion & tribunal's blessing would fight to defend their lands and tribunal.

It is implied that they did not in fact - the majority anyway - exercise free will; they were compelled to act in that way without understanding why and to deal with any... dissension with extreme prejudice.

Wouldn't it be the same if fanatic Dunmers would defend their beloved tribunal ? Because I think it is the same case.

Anyway, can you link me the source of that info ? I mean the part when it explicitly says that Argonians did not had any free will and they were controlled like husks ? ? ? Manipulation is not the same as having a free will and doing something willingly.

Shantu

Just never developed an affinity for reptiles. Slippery little beasts slithering around in one big swamp toilet.

ApoAlaia

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Argonians freak me out because for all we know they are actually not a separate lifeform anymore but a mobile, prehensile, semi-autonomous extension of the Hist which in turn is a completely alien lifeform in shape, thought and motivation.

It is entirely possible that they [the Hist] might be non-linear too, unbound from the arrow of time.

The whole proposition is unnerving to say the least.

That is not true at all... Argonians are not "automatons" that are being controlled by hist's wi-fi, lol that is not how it works

Argonians that are gifted (not all, usually only some can) can communicate with the hist, they have free will and they can do what they want.

It is same as Dunmers & Tribunal. They listen to tribunal not because they have to or are forced to, but because they have free will and they listen to them as they know tribunal is wise and will take care of them.

Hist is the same thing for Argonians. Also, Argonians who live far away form black marsh and hist trees, somehow do not struggle and can have prosperous live, despite living without hist tree.

Except when for instance the Oblivion crisis happens, which the Hist either predicted or they had already known about (one and the same thing if one is non-linear) and the Argonians are compelled to behave in a very specific way, amassing where the portals would open and actually taking the offensive as soon as they do, catching the daedra 'with their pants down'.

Hist showed them the way, true, but It did not brain-washed them or anything. They still had free will. They were just defending their homeland & the hist.

Also important part is to understand that this "awesome" move (forcing Daedra to evacuate lol) was done only in tribal societies, where connection with the hist is stronger. In other parts of Tamriel, Argonians were not involved as much in Oblivion Crisis.

Anyway, same thing would have happened if Daedra invaded Deshan or Vivec or Clockwork city (home of tribunal). Many Dunmer with religious passion & tribunal's blessing would fight to defend their lands and tribunal.

It is implied that they did not in fact - the majority anyway - exercise free will; they were compelled to act in that way without understanding why and to deal with any... dissension with extreme prejudice.

Wouldn't it be the same if fanatic Dunmers would defend their beloved tribunal ? Because I think it is the same case.

Anyway, can you link me the source of that info ? I mean the part when it explicitly says that Argonians did not had any free will and they were controlled like husks ? ? ? Manipulation is not the same as having a free will and doing something willingly.

Is something I came across a while back ('a while back' being 'years ago'... years then to merge and fold into one these days) while looking at the An-Xileel; I cannot find the source right now, I hope it wasn't Kirkbride's 'interference' that got me down that path.

Once I am back at home will try to find the source.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Argonians freak me out because for all we know they are actually not a separate lifeform anymore but a mobile, prehensile, semi-autonomous extension of the Hist which in turn is a completely alien lifeform in shape, thought and motivation.

It is entirely possible that they [the Hist] might be non-linear too, unbound from the arrow of time.

The whole proposition is unnerving to say the least.

That is not true at all... Argonians are not "automatons" that are being controlled by hist's wi-fi, lol that is not how it works

Argonians that are gifted (not all, usually only some can) can communicate with the hist, they have free will and they can do what they want.

It is same as Dunmers & Tribunal. They listen to tribunal not because they have to or are forced to, but because they have free will and they listen to them as they know tribunal is wise and will take care of them.

Hist is the same thing for Argonians. Also, Argonians who live far away form black marsh and hist trees, somehow do not struggle and can have prosperous live, despite living without hist tree.

Except when for instance the Oblivion crisis happens, which the Hist either predicted or they had already known about (one and the same thing if one is non-linear) and the Argonians are compelled to behave in a very specific way, amassing where the portals would open and actually taking the offensive as soon as they do, catching the daedra 'with their pants down'.

Hist showed them the way, true, but It did not brain-washed them or anything. They still had free will. They were just defending their homeland & the hist.

Also important part is to understand that this "awesome" move (forcing Daedra to evacuate lol) was done only in tribal societies, where connection with the hist is stronger. In other parts of Tamriel, Argonians were not involved as much in Oblivion Crisis.

Anyway, same thing would have happened if Daedra invaded Deshan or Vivec or Clockwork city (home of tribunal). Many Dunmer with religious passion & tribunal's blessing would fight to defend their lands and tribunal.

It is implied that they did not in fact - the majority anyway - exercise free will; they were compelled to act in that way without understanding why and to deal with any... dissension with extreme prejudice.

Wouldn't it be the same if fanatic Dunmers would defend their beloved tribunal ? Because I think it is the same case.

Anyway, can you link me the source of that info ? I mean the part when it explicitly says that Argonians did not had any free will and they were controlled like husks ? ? ? Manipulation is not the same as having a free will and doing something willingly.

Is something I came across a while back while looking at the An-Xileel; I cannot find the source right now, I hope it wasn't Kirkbride's 'interference' that got me down that path.

Once I am back at home will try to find the source.

Think there has only been one occurance a Hist has allegedly mindcontrolled someone and forced them to do something, which was in the book The Infernal City. It's also a bit confusing and weird, with the Hist possibly being corrupted or not even a Hist.
It's not shown anywhere else, and telepathically calling argonians to defend Black Marsh is not mindcontrol.
It is possible they could, but they have no reason to.

This lore discussion on reddit also brings up some good points regarding a lot of misconceptions about argonians:
Are argonians mindcontrolled thralls part of a Hist plot

Olauron

Hallothiel wrote: »

Also, were they not the only race to defeat Dagon during the Oblivion crisis?

They didn't defeat Dagon, they simply closed some gates (the same that were closed in hundreds by the Champion of Cyrodiil). You should also keep in mind that for any Daedric Prince conquering Nirn means capturing (or destroying) the Towers. They simply can't win while the Towers are in the hands of mer (men) who are not daedra worshipers. The three most important Towers in this regard are Adamantine, White-Gold and Crystal. Other Towers are too specific (Anumaril tried to change the Green Tower and failed, as its purpose is too different from the WGT). That means that any semi-competent Daedric Prince would throw most of the powers and armies on these Towers. And we see this in both the Planemeld and the Oblivion Crisis, as well as in Daedric War and Infernal City stories.

Iccotak

Olauron wrote: »

I don't hate argonians, I just have negative (not even zero) interest in them. The reasons are
6. They remind me of dragonborn D&D race that completely destroyed the dragon disciple appeal.

Really? Not the Lizardfolk from D&D? because Dragonborn act very different

Sahidom

I dont hate them. I feel there's not enough character customization in character creation to land on a swallowable appearance for the character.

Iccotak

I like Argonians the most (Second is a tie between Nords & Orcs, Third is Dunmer & Khajiit) - I think Argonians are the most interesting & unique of the races because I am frankly tired of the Humans & Elves. Dunmer being the most alien and exotic amongst the "Mer" races.

Orsinium made Orcs interesting by exploring Malacath & Trinimac. They took aspects of Orcs & Dwarves, from other traditional fantasies, and created a unique blend in TES.

Nords I find relatable as someone from a Cold Climate (also the history of the Dragon Cult was cool imo)

While Argonians are ZOS' unique take on Lizardfolk and I really like it. There is far more to them than meets the eye. Argonians are interesting because of their 'otherness' from Men & Mer, but people largely want something relatable & familiar.

Also the Argonians look way cooler than the other races.

Mahabahabtha

I don´t brake for Khajiit

LadySinflower

I don't hate Argonians but I don't play them either. I prefer to look like a humanoid. I don't have any Khajiit toons either.