Necromancer Gravelord Passive, over nerfed?

Styxius

Curious to see what people think regarding this change as this has been a common theme and function of Necromancer for a long time to help them compete with the execution that Nightblade provided in the past for example. Was this overnerfed? This was a 60% max which is rather high reduced to a 24% max assuming you slot every gravelord ability in the past only using 3-4 was common. What are your thoughts regarding this?

Vercingetorix

Necromancer has no execute and Death Knell was supposed to (kinda) make up for it. With it gutted, necromancer DPS is going to tank hard. Also, STILL no fixes for the Stalking Blastbones or the laggy tether skills...

YandereGirlfriend

This change was absolutely outrageous in both the PvE and PvP contexts. It's fully a 60% nerf, utterly annihilated.

Sangwyne

Necromancer needed a nerf, it was the top DPS in trials and broken in PvP too. Still is.

actosh

Sounds hard on paper, but i stil lthink they will be in the top 3 mag dps.

LukosCreyden

still waiting on my stalking blastbones fix. Been how long now?

hackdrag0n

When score run guilds are using 7 magcro comps you just know they're going to be nerfed. Doubt this will ruin the class, if it blows too hard they'll scale it back to 6% or something. Regardless they needed adjustment and let's not forget that just about every other source of crit chance has already been reduced so why do necros get a free pass?

Grandma

with how much more crit damage we'll have this patch i think it'll even out fine for necros. just means you need to slot a few more skills on your front bar. if you have all 6 that's 24% crit in execute. next patch ppl will just take thief and now they'll sit at 80-90% in execute. not the end of the world honestly. it was always a bit excessively overpowered. 10% crit just for slotting an ability? eh.

ghost_bg_ESO

and here i am from couple of weeks farming and choosing sets for raw damage...

Edit: more nerfs on crit was expected, doesn't mean it makes me happy, but meta one way or another will be flipped...

techprince

Slimecraw + Iceheart + Medusa + Mothers Sorrow + Thief + Precise Staff = 80% crit chance
4 min skills on frontbar = 16% more crit chance so i will be sitting at 80%-96% crit chance.

ghost_bg_ESO

techprince wrote: »

Slimecraw + Iceheart + Medusa + Mothers Sorrow + Thief + Precise Staff = 80% crit chance
4 min skills on frontbar = 16% more crit chance so i will be sitting at 80%-96% crit chance.

need only medusa nuclease to get, but in this case i see lot of choice and build diversity and class identity /no more fun builds - for results stick to the meta.../.

proc + full monster sets + MS goes obsolete.

Integral1900

I’m glad I dismantled my necromancer yesterday, she’s now just a writ basher, with a nerf that big, clunky skills, bugs and the fact that several skills are just reskins of others, this class is a mess. Also, what’s the point of a necromancer that cannot summon skeleton swordsmen!?

Lynxyn

Sangwyne wrote: »

Necromancer needed a nerf, it was the top DPS in trials and broken in PvP too. Still is.

[snip] The REAL classes that need gutted in pvp are pretty much every stam class with stamblade at the front and magsorcs.

Necro needed nerfs in pve but gutting a passive that only works at 25% health does barely anything lmao. Magcro damage is unchanged otherwise and now magblade, who performs just as well as magcro in single target, will be outperforming magcro even more than they were before in execute.

At the end of the day magcro is still going to be near the top and [snip] 99% of the people playing pve don't need to worry about what class is doing the best in pve because literally anything can work for all content. And considering there's no pro scene for pve like in wow with race to world first absolutely thrashing a class passive isn't a good decision.

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Jaimeh

It really needed a nerf, though I was surprised they cut it by that much.

OtarTheMad

Seems like a big hit indeed but overall you will still be able to complete content in the game.

Lynxyn

hackdrag0n wrote: »

When score run guilds are using 7 magcro comps you just know they're going to be nerfed. Doubt this will ruin the class, if it blows too hard they'll scale it back to 6% or something. Regardless they needed adjustment and let's not forget that just about every other source of crit chance has already been reduced so why do necros get a free pass?

To promote differences between classes? Why homogenize the classes even more than they already are? Because the top 1% is using them? Btw this was their class execute. That in it of its self is reason enough to have a "free pass", because it doesn't work outside of execute. Magblade was already doing just as well if not better than magcro anyways.


I highly doubt the class at the top of the list just in terms of damage actually matters to anyone in this thread either. Any class can complete all content in this game and unless your guild is actually pushing to be the top your class doesn't matter. Saying something should be nerfed because the aforementioned 1% is stacking a class doesn't really mean much because after these nerfs they'll just stack whatever the next best class is which will likely be magblade.

YandereGirlfriend

Not to be "that person" but Nightblades have completely escaped the nerf bat with their Assassination passives. Slotting two of those is the same effective Critical Chance boost as slotting 4 Grave Lord skills plus they have an actual class execute ability. But overall though, this change is classic developer overreach.

LukosCreyden wrote: »

still waiting on my stalking blastbones fix. Been how long now?

Amen to this. Definitely that skeleton sitting at the bus stop meme about the skill ever getting fixed.

Each PTS there is hope and each PTS there is the classic reaction of "Disappointed... but not surprised."

Alaztor91

imo Death Knell was a bit too strong(specially considering the recent crit chance nerfs) but if ZOS has time to nerf this they could atleast add an actual morph effect to Stalking Blastbones or improve the unreliable tether skills.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Alaztor91 wrote: »

imo Death Knell was a bit too strong(specially considering the recent crit chance nerfs) but if ZOS has time to nerf this they could atleast add an actual morph effect to Stalking Blastbones or improve the unreliable tether skills.

Uyeah it was too strong but a 60% nerf seem a bit too much, well well see in the comming weeks

hackdrag0n

Lynxyn wrote: »

hackdrag0n wrote: »

When score run guilds are using 7 magcro comps you just know they're going to be nerfed. Doubt this will ruin the class, if it blows too hard they'll scale it back to 6% or something. Regardless they needed adjustment and let's not forget that just about every other source of crit chance has already been reduced so why do necros get a free pass?

To promote differences between classes? Why homogenize the classes even more than they already are? Because the top 1% is using them? Btw this was their class execute. That in it of its self is reason enough to have a "free pass", because it doesn't work outside of execute. Magblade was already doing just as well if not better than magcro anyways.


I highly doubt the class at the top of the list just in terms of damage actually matters to anyone in this thread either. Any class can complete all content in this game and unless your guild is actually pushing to be the top your class doesn't matter. Saying something should be nerfed because the aforementioned 1% is stacking a class doesn't really mean much because after these nerfs they'll just stack whatever the next best class is which will likely be magblade.

If it doesn't matter then why are people salty about the nerf?

Sangwyne

Lynxyn wrote: »

Sangwyne wrote: »

Necromancer needed a nerf, it was the top DPS in trials and broken in PvP too. Still is.

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What's with people jumping on the Necromancer bandwagon and flaming anyone who disagrees? Necromancer is broken. Full stop. Both Mag and Stam Necro were top DPS in trials, to the point where you'd see a half dozen of them in the most competitive groups, they were busted in PvP and at the top of leaderboards everywhere, but dare say a word about it and people would shout you down. This is like trying to defend Malacath; you even admitted Magcro will still be at the top.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Not to be "that person" but Nightblades have completely escaped the nerf bat with their Assassination passives. Slotting two of those is the same effective Critical Chance boost as slotting 4 Grave Lord skills plus they have an actual class execute ability.

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Kurat

Necros definitely needed some nerfing. Too OP, top dps by far. And most trial groups only take necros. If it was up to me I would nerf them more tbh.

Skullstachio

I reckon death knell should be set to 2.5/5% so that if one were to use all 6 gravelord abilities in execution range, it would sit at 30% critical chance.

or even make it like so:

• Increases your critical strike chance by 0.5%/1% for each grave lord ability slotted, this bonus is tripled to 1.5%/3% critical chance against enemies under 75% health. This bonus is quintupled to 2.5%/5% critical chance against enemies under 25% health.

I honestly believe this could work in unique terms like that of the sorcerers amplitude passive being a reverse execution since the damage bonus from that is reduced for every 10% of health shaved off the enemy. But in the case of my suggested death knell passive solution, it grants a small percentage of critical chance off the bat but steadily gets multiplicatively amplified at certain health thresholds on each enemy. Reaching a maximum of 25% critical chance while the enemy is under 25% health with just 5 grave lord abilities slotted, or go the extra mile using all six and top it off to 30%.

(I pray this gets implemented in a future PTS patch.)

stefj68

well so far zos always level things by lowering cealing and nerfing... instead of raising lowest class... well it might be a little too much but that was more easy to butcher necromancer, then boost 3-4 class to make them catch up!

TheBonesXXX

Sangwyne wrote: »

Necromancer needed a nerf, it was the top DPS in trials and broken in PvP too. Still is.

You obviously don't understand how statistics work.

There built in execute is gone.

hackdrag0n

It's not gone, just scaled back some.

Septimus_Magna

The nerf might be a little over the top on first glance, something like 5% for each skill seems more reasonable.
Another solution could be to keep 10% for each skill but cap it at a maximum of 30%.

DreadDaedroth

Yes the nerf is too big and should be reverted.

renne

hackdrag0n wrote: »

It's not gone, just scaled back some.

60% is not "some".

hackdrag0n

renne wrote: »

hackdrag0n wrote: »

It's not gone, just scaled back some.

60% is not "some".

renne wrote: »

hackdrag0n wrote: »

It's not gone, just scaled back some.

60% is not "some".

It's also not "gone" haha

Revokus

Even better remove the passive completely and give Magcro an execute in Hungry Scythe removing the heal from it if needed like players have been asking.

And no this skill isn't mandatory for tanks in PVE. Maybe if tanks didn't have such healing skills healers would be more needed and the complaints about not needing a healer for most content would not be plaguing the game.