Ball Groups: A National Concern

maxjapank

TequilaFire wrote: »

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Please provide proof to the statement "and those players are a majority".
And of course your opinion is valid, but so are the opinions of players who want to play in organized groups.

It would be impossible to provide proof without doing a poll in which every player responded honestly. Even doing a poll on the forums would be limited to those who frequent here, and from my interaction with many past players, they never visit the forums.

I think everyone's opinion is valid as a paying customer of the game. And when it comes down to it, everyone should play how they want because it's their money and their life. But I do think the developers owe the pvp community more and I hope they are paying attention to this thread.

It also gets difficult to know exactly what players mean when there seems to be different definitions for "ball group" or "organized group". I fully support organized group play. I just don't support groups that take a keep, intentionally let it flip back and then farm for an hour inside the keep. I'd fathom to say that that isn't fun for the majority of players, except the "ball group" - and that's kinda my definition of a "ball group."

There are some good suggestions in here. It's been an overall good discussion. Lots of passion for pvp and the state of Cyrodill. I hope that changes can be made that encourage more players to play. I think all of us would like that.

Soul_Demon

maxjapank wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

[Quoted post has been removed.]

Please provide proof to the statement "and those players are a majority".
And of course your opinion is valid, but so are the opinions of players who want to play in organized groups.

It would be impossible to provide proof without doing a poll in which every player responded honestly. Even doing a poll on the forums would be limited to those who frequent here, and from my interaction with many past players, they never visit the forums.

I think everyone's opinion is valid as a paying customer of the game. And when it comes down to it, everyone should play how they want because it's their money and their life. But I do think the developers owe the pvp community more and I hope they are paying attention to this thread.

It also gets difficult to know exactly what players mean when there seems to be different definitions for "ball group" or "organized group". I fully support organized group play. I just don't support groups that take a keep, intentionally let it flip back and then farm for an hour inside the keep. I'd fathom to say that that isn't fun for the majority of players, except the "ball group" - and that's kinda my definition of a "ball group."

There are some good suggestions in here. It's been an overall good discussion. Lots of passion for pvp and the state of Cyrodill. I hope that changes can be made that encourage more players to play. I think all of us would like that.

I dont think its hard to see the difference in the two types.....ball groups vs organized raids has been defined quite well in this thread. Some may disagree but "I think a definition for most is ball groups tend to focus effort on play specifically designed to kill players where the group holds advantageous ground (choke points) or through excess in movement. If you want to break that into more easily stated goals they try to 'farm players' Organized groups on the other hand tend to focus on taking objectives on the map correlating to alliance score and faction advantage.

Both tend to run tightly packed to maximize the damage/healing/buffs/debuffs available to them and are highly organized in the nature of how they move......the biggest difference is in the choice they make in where to fight and how they either move or stay based on the previously mentioned goals each has. Of course some may use other criteria, but that has been my understanding of the differences for a very long time now. If you come across either groups you will notice they tend to select very different terrain to fight in as well due to the nature of the choices in play-styles the groups make" gives a pretty well defined set of characteristics helping to see how the groups differ.

ZOS_GregoryV

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