Does xp stack, or is there a max % increase allowed?

Hallothiel

Will xp % increase scrolls work in!addition to the Pie?

And does it also stack with xp food/drink?

Or is there a limit to just how much additional xp you can get?

kringled_1

The event xp bonus is additive with scrolls or xp consumables (psijic ambrosia and the like). Xp scrolls and consumables count as the same thing so won't add with each other. Other xp boosts like eso plus are also additive with these.

virtus753

The things that do not stack are XP scrolls and any of the ambrosia potions.

Other than that, you can stack:

Event bonus
Group bonus This excludes certain xp sources, such as daily crafting writs.
Ring of Mara
ESO+
Scroll OR ambrosia potion
Altmer racial passive

ETA: There are restricted things, like training gear, which will buff xp from certain sources only. The above list should buff ALL xp gained.

AzurasDaddy

I've heard many times over the years there is indeed a 210% bonus exp cap. I've never tested it myself, and considering we had to wait almost 7 years just to get decent character stat info, I'm not expecting exp cap info anytime soon.

virtus753

AzurasDaddy wrote: »

I've heard many times over the years there is indeed a 210% bonus exp cap. I've never tested it myself, and considering we had to wait almost 7 years just to get decent character stat info, I'm not expecting exp cap info anytime soon.

I would certainly have doubts about that number, considering the devs have confirmed that the event bonus and the xp scrolls stack, and that can give you +250% right there.

There is an effective cap because there are a limited number of sources of xp bonuses. But I’ve never heard of there being an artificial cap on xp buffs to cut off those bonuses, only on crafting inspiration.

Hallothiel

Thanks for replies - asking as guild mate reported that they ran one of the jester quests with 50% scroll, pie and enlightenment and got 74.9k xp, and another with 150% scroll, pie and enlightenment, also 74.9k xp.

So either xp scrolls & pie not stacking, or something else going on?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_SarahHecker

Any thoughts?

tmbrinks

Hallothiel wrote: »

Thanks for replies - asking as guild mate reported that they ran one of the jester quests with 50% scroll, pie and enlightenment and got 74.9k xp, and another with 150% scroll, pie and enlightenment, also 74.9k xp.

So either xp scrolls & pie not stacking, or something else going on?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_SarahHecker

Any thoughts?

AFAIK, you do get an XP bonus the FIRST time you do a quest, and each subsequent time you get less XP...

That might explain it? I'm not sure though.

virtus753

Hallothiel wrote: »

Thanks for replies - asking as guild mate reported that they ran one of the jester quests with 50% scroll, pie and enlightenment and got 74.9k xp, and another with 150% scroll, pie and enlightenment, also 74.9k xp.

So either xp scrolls & pie not stacking, or something else going on?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_SarahHecker

Any thoughts?

Another question in the meantime: did the 50% scroll actually run out and was the 150% successfully applied? You can’t manually remove a scroll or overwrite it with another, as the game will give you an error and tell you the original one has to wear off first. It’s easy enough to miss that message.

Hallothiel

All scrolls applied properly.

zaria

virtus753 wrote: »

AzurasDaddy wrote: »

I've heard many times over the years there is indeed a 210% bonus exp cap. I've never tested it myself, and considering we had to wait almost 7 years just to get decent character stat info, I'm not expecting exp cap info anytime soon.

I would certainly have doubts about that number, considering the devs have confirmed that the event bonus and the xp scrolls stack, and that can give you +250% right there.

There is an effective cap because there are a limited number of sources of xp bonuses. But I’ve never heard of there being an artificial cap on xp buffs to cut off those bonuses, only on crafting inspiration.

Back then they had the first double XP event it was an cap on xp / level on 30% of your level, however even years ago you could get 3-4 levels doing an random normal dungeon on an low level alt with 150% scroll and double xp%.

Note that this was level not CP.
Its still an cap on how much inspiration you get from deconstructing stuff with low crafting level, breaking down gold cp 160 runes or intricate jewelry will not give you more than white at level 10.

majulook

it seems like XP has been nerfed, or maybe I have hit some incline increase in the XP required.

On Tuesday doing a single Random normal and 3 dolmens would get me 1 CP with only training gear no other XP bonus.

Today with the event and the same gear, event XP Pie, and a 50% XP Scroll. It takes the same a single Random normal and 3 Dolmens gives me 1CP.

Also today I ran 4 Skyreach runs with partner, using the same training gear, event XP Pie, and a 150% XP scroll I got 2 CP for the 4 runs.

Does this seem right?

zaria

virtus753 wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

Thanks for replies - asking as guild mate reported that they ran one of the jester quests with 50% scroll, pie and enlightenment and got 74.9k xp, and another with 150% scroll, pie and enlightenment, also 74.9k xp.

So either xp scrolls & pie not stacking, or something else going on?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_SarahHecker

Any thoughts?

Another question in the meantime: did the 50% scroll actually run out and was the 150% successfully applied? You can’t manually remove a scroll or overwrite it with another, as the game will give you an error and tell you the original one has to wear off first. It’s easy enough to miss that message.

Some years ago I was able to remove and xp buff in character information and use an new scroll, in an random dungeon and I knew it would run out during the final boss fight.
Seems like this has been disabled for reasons.

Hallothiel

So no real answer as to whether there is a cap, or if there is some sort of bug (never!)?

tmbrinks

Just checked on both of my accounts... one at CP 2k+, one around CP 1k. All things behaving as normal.

Getting the XP I'd expect with a 50% scroll + 100% event bonus (on a few characters that still had the 50%) and on characters w/ the 150% scroll + 100% event bonus.

I'm guessing if it were an issue, we'd see more than a single solitary thread about it here, as plenty of people are certainly trying to gain a lot of CP this event.

Ackwalan

The crafted xp potions and daily reward xp scrolls worked with the pie for me. But, I did not try all 3 at once.

tmbrinks

Ackwalan wrote: »

The crafted xp potions and daily reward xp scrolls worked with the pie for me. But, I did not try all 3 at once.

can't use all 3 at once. XP potions and XP Scrolls do not stack. (Game gives a warning and won't let you use them)

virtus753

zaria wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

Thanks for replies - asking as guild mate reported that they ran one of the jester quests with 50% scroll, pie and enlightenment and got 74.9k xp, and another with 150% scroll, pie and enlightenment, also 74.9k xp.

So either xp scrolls & pie not stacking, or something else going on?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_SarahHecker

Any thoughts?

Another question in the meantime: did the 50% scroll actually run out and was the 150% successfully applied? You can’t manually remove a scroll or overwrite it with another, as the game will give you an error and tell you the original one has to wear off first. It’s easy enough to miss that message.

Some years ago I was able to remove and xp buff in character information and use an new scroll, in an random dungeon and I knew it would run out during the final boss fight.
Seems like this has been disabled for reasons.

Yes, I remember being able to remove the scroll buff manually or overwrite it.

If I had to guess, I'd say they prevented that either because of some potential exploit they discovered or because too many people wrote to Support saying they accidentally debuffed themselves or overwrote a scroll by mistake.

baratron

virtus753 wrote: »

The things that do not stack are XP scrolls and any of the ambrosia potions.

Other than that, you can stack:

Event bonus
Group bonus
Ring of Mara
ESO+
Scroll OR ambrosia potion
Altmer racial passive

ETA: There are restricted things, like training gear, which will buff xp from certain sources only. The above list should buff ALL xp gained.

See, I was under the impression that the Ring of Mara stacked with ESO Plus too. But someone said on a Guildmaster Discord that it doesn't.

So I tried - we got our characters who have performed the Pledge of Mara on together, in a group, wore the rings, and the buff did not show in Active Effects.
The Festival buff, the Scroll buff, and the ESO Plus buff all did show up.

Wondering if this is a bug or what.

Feric51

majulook wrote: »

it seems like XP has been nerfed, or maybe I have hit some incline increase in the XP required.

On Tuesday doing a single Random normal and 3 dolmens would get me 1 CP with only training gear no other XP bonus.

Today with the event and the same gear, event XP Pie, and a 50% XP Scroll. It takes the same a single Random normal and 3 Dolmens gives me 1CP.

Also today I ran 4 Skyreach runs with partner, using the same training gear, event XP Pie, and a 150% XP scroll I got 2 CP for the 4 runs.

Does this seem right?

I’m guessing you burned through your enlightenment bonus which gives 400% xp gain until you exhaust your daily or banked allotment.

virtus753

baratron wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

The things that do not stack are XP scrolls and any of the ambrosia potions.

Other than that, you can stack:

Event bonus
Group bonus
Ring of Mara
ESO+
Scroll OR ambrosia potion
Altmer racial passive

ETA: There are restricted things, like training gear, which will buff xp from certain sources only. The above list should buff ALL xp gained.

See, I was under the impression that the Ring of Mara stacked with ESO Plus too. But someone said on a Guildmaster Discord that it doesn't.

So I tried - we got our characters who have performed the Pledge of Mara on together, in a group, wore the rings, and the buff did not show in Active Effects.
The Festival buff, the Scroll buff, and the ESO Plus buff all did show up.

Wondering if this is a bug or what.

In my experience, the Ring of Mara buff has never showed up under active effects. About a year ago, I tested whether the Ring of Mara stacked with the group buff, ES0+, and a 50% xp scroll, and it did. But that was not during an event, so I haven't tested that with the effects of an event XP buff.

If the Ring of Mara, ESO+, and the xp scrolls don't stack, that's a problem, because all those things either are or can be bought with real world or premium currency, and there is no warning that they do not work together. Last we were told by the devs, they did stack. If they don't, that needs to be clearly stated.

ETA: The group buff does not apply to quest turn-ins like crafting writs. I received the same xp for turning in a daily outside of group and then in a group with one other player, holding all other factors constant (ESO+, Pie of Misrule, 50% XP scroll, no Ring of Mara). I had been under the impression it was supposed to buff all xp, but that's clearly not the case.


Specific numbers on a daily crafting writ, tested tonight on max-level non-Altmer characters with no Enlightenment at any point in the process:

Base 100% (backformation from next line, since I can't disable the sub): 748 xp
With ESO+ (110%): 843 xp
With ESO+ and 50% xp scroll (160%): 1197 xp
With ESO+, 50% xp scroll, Pie of Misrule (260%): 1945 xp
All of the above, in a group with one other player: 1945 xp
All of the above, in a group while wearing the Ring of Mara with the proper partner (270%): 2019 xp

Math seems to check out.

ThorianB

majulook wrote: »

it seems like XP has been nerfed, or maybe I have hit some incline increase in the XP required.

On Tuesday doing a single Random normal and 3 dolmens would get me 1 CP with only training gear no other XP bonus.

Today with the event and the same gear, event XP Pie, and a 50% XP Scroll. It takes the same a single Random normal and 3 Dolmens gives me 1CP.

Also today I ran 4 Skyreach runs with partner, using the same training gear, event XP Pie, and a 150% XP scroll I got 2 CP for the 4 runs.

Does this seem right?

I am CP 9xx my wife is CP 5xx. Using a 50% XP scroll, PoM, ESO+, and enlightenment we ran the 3 Markarth dailies. I got two levels and she got 3 levels and it took us about 20 minutes. Based on that i would say XP gains are pretty good.

Rudrani

i scrolled quick, but i think you all forgot getting about 80% bonus from all training gear. I believe that stacks on everything else.

virtus753

Rudrani wrote: »

i scrolled quick, but i think you all forgot getting about 80% bonus from all training gear. I believe that stacks on everything else.

Training gear only affects kills, not quest turn-ins.

remosito

majulook wrote: »

it seems like XP has been nerfed, or maybe I have hit some incline increase in the XP required.

On Tuesday doing a single Random normal and 3 dolmens would get me 1 CP with only training gear no other XP bonus.

Today with the event and the same gear, event XP Pie, and a 50% XP Scroll. It takes the same a single Random normal and 3 Dolmens gives me 1CP.

Also today I ran 4 Skyreach runs with partner, using the same training gear, event XP Pie, and a 150% XP scroll I got 2 CP for the 4 runs.

Does this seem right?

You might have had enlightenment before and used it up.

eblightenment makes you gain xp 4x as fast

code65536

baratron wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

The things that do not stack are XP scrolls and any of the ambrosia potions.

Other than that, you can stack:

Event bonus
Group bonus
Ring of Mara
ESO+
Scroll OR ambrosia potion
Altmer racial passive

ETA: There are restricted things, like training gear, which will buff xp from certain sources only. The above list should buff ALL xp gained.

See, I was under the impression that the Ring of Mara stacked with ESO Plus too. But someone said on a Guildmaster Discord that it doesn't.

So I tried - we got our characters who have performed the Pledge of Mara on together, in a group, wore the rings, and the buff did not show in Active Effects.
The Festival buff, the Scroll buff, and the ESO Plus buff all did show up.

Wondering if this is a bug or what.

Mara stacks with ESO+. There are a few restrictions, though...

• Both characters must be in the same group.
• Both characters must be wearing the ring for any character to get a bonus.
• Both characters must be in the same instance (though distance within the instance is irrelevant).

The Mara bonus does not show up as a buff on your character sheet. This is normal.

code65536

virtus753 wrote: »

The things that do not stack are XP scrolls and any of the ambrosia potions.

Other than that, you can stack:

Event bonus
Group bonus This excludes certain xp sources, such as daily crafting writs.
Ring of Mara
ESO+
Scroll OR ambrosia potion
Altmer racial passive

ETA: There are restricted things, like training gear, which will buff xp from certain sources only. The above list should buff ALL xp gained.

Bonuses for all sources of XP:

• ESO+: 10%
• Ring of Mara: 10%
• Scroll or Ambrosia: 50/100/150%
• Event bonus: 100%
• Altmer: 1%

Bonuses for XP from kills:

• Training trait
• Grouping bonus

All bonuses are additive. So, for example, if you're a subscriber grinding kills in 7 purple training gear, you'll have +70% XP from gear, +10% from ESO+, and +100% from the event pie, for a +180% bonus, meaning that you are earning XP at 2.8x the normal rate. If you then pop a 50% scroll, you'll be earning XP at 3.3x the normal rate. So the marginal benefit of adding that 50% scroll is only 18% (3.3/2.8 = 0.178), since it's 50% of the original XP rate, not 50% of your current XP rate.

laksikus

code65536 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

The things that do not stack are XP scrolls and any of the ambrosia potions.

Other than that, you can stack:

Event bonus
Group bonus This excludes certain xp sources, such as daily crafting writs.
Ring of Mara
ESO+
Scroll OR ambrosia potion
Altmer racial passive

ETA: There are restricted things, like training gear, which will buff xp from certain sources only. The above list should buff ALL xp gained.

Bonuses for all sources of XP:

• ESO+: 10%
• Ring of Mara: 10%
• Scroll or Ambrosia: 50/100/150%
• Event bonus: 100%
• Altmer: 1%

Bonuses for XP from kills:

• Training trait
• Grouping bonus

All bonuses are additive. So, for example, if you're a subscriber grinding kills in 7 purple training gear, you'll have +70% XP from gear, +10% from ESO+, and +100% from the event pie, for a +180% bonus, meaning that you are earning XP at 2.8x the normal rate. If you then pop a 50% scroll, you'll be earning XP at 3.3x the normal rate. So the marginal benefit of adding that 50% scroll is only 18% (3.3/2.8 = 0.178), since it's 50% of the original XP rate, not 50% of your current XP rate.

Technically there is also xp bonus for kills in cyro

Hallothiel

Again , thanks all but I would appreciate a definitive response from ZOS as to what stacks, what doesn’t, and if there is a cap.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_SarahHecker

remosito

Hallothiel wrote: »

Again , thanks all but I would appreciate a definitive response from ZOS as to what stacks, what doesn’t, and if there is a cap.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_SarahHecker

it's all been tested. and numbers already posted.

Hallothiel

remosito wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

Again , thanks all but I would appreciate a definitive response from ZOS as to what stacks, what doesn’t, and if there is a cap.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_SarahHecker

it's all been tested. and numbers already posted.

No it hasn’t. (Did not use a 150% scroll)

And I would prefer an official answer.

remosito

Hallothiel wrote: »

remosito wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

Again , thanks all but I would appreciate a definitive response from ZOS as to what stacks, what doesn’t, and if there is a cap.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_SarahHecker

it's all been tested. and numbers already posted.

No it hasn’t. (Did not use a 150% scroll)

And I would prefer an official answer.

master writs have been tested with 150%,2x event, and eso+