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New patch: tanks still using lightning staff over ice staff?
MoreTune
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With thaumaturge changed and no longer having exploiter passive causing 10% dmg to off balanced enemies.
Are tanks still using lightning staff for concussion and minor vulnerability?
Are lightning staves useless in general now?
I know Ice staves are better for survivability and tanking, but I have no issue surviving.
Edited by MoreTune on March 21, 2021 3:40AM Are tanks still using lightning staff for concussion and minor vulnerability?
Are lightning staves useless in general now?
I know Ice staves are better for survivability and tanking, but I have no issue surviving.
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✭✭Frosty stick shields is appealing.
From Which Wall of Element Glyph is the most beneficial for the Healer to use?TheUndeadAmulet wrote: »A simple shock enchant on top of a charged lightning staff gives an effective uptime of 100% for minor vulnerability (target takes 5% more damage)
So, yes, minor vulnerability.
Also, lightning staff effects are prettier.
edit: clarification: tank usually would go with infused/crusher so less uptime with minor vulnerability.Edited by deleted221106-002999 on March 21, 2021 4:33AM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The concussion comes from the enchant, not the blockade itself. If you stuck a shock enchant on a frost staff, it would be similar.
That said, if minor vuln is the goal, then a charged front-bar weapon with a shock enchant is a better option.
In any case, there's no point in tanks running lightning wall. Some might keep doing it out of inertia, but generally you should be using ice. Or fire, if using Encratis.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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deleted221106-002999✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The concussion comes from the enchant, not the blockade itself. If you stuck a shock enchant on a frost staff, it would be similar.
That said, if minor vuln is the goal, then a charged front-bar weapon with a shock enchant is a better option.
In any case, there's no point in tanks running lightning wall. Some might keep doing it out of inertia, but generally you should be using ice. Or fire, if using Encratis.
Thanks. cleared up some misconceptions I had. Didn't know about encratis set, either - thanks for that, too.
Inertia, yes, as in large moment of sitting right here.
edit: any lightning attack has a chance to produce concussion/minor vulnerability so the blockade itself has a chance to do so. It's true that charged trait + shock glyph have higher probability, though. source and patch notes.
Edited by deleted221106-002999 on March 21, 2021 6:06AM3 -
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Thanks!!
What have been your go to sets for 4man content now that ebon has phased out.
Yolna/olo? Yolna/powerful assault?0 -
Zodiarkslayer✭✭✭✭✭
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Wrong. Any Shock can proc! WoE sets concussed enemies Off Balance.The concussion comes from the enchant, not the blockade itself. If you stuck a shock enchant on a frost staff, it would be similar.
If your group has more than one other Lightning Staff is redundant to slot anyway.
Ice staff has good synergies with the Warden Class. So there is at least one case with a definitive NO to your question.
And Wardens ARE the best tanks.No Effort, No Reward?
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MoreTune✭✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »
Wrong. Any Shock can proc! WoE sets concussed enemies Off Balance.The concussion comes from the enchant, not the blockade itself. If you stuck a shock enchant on a frost staff, it would be similar.
If your group has more than one other Lightning Staff is redundant to slot anyway.
Ice staff has good synergies with the Warden Class. So there is at least one case with a definitive NO to your question.
And Wardens ARE the best tanks.
So you are saying that WoE can proc concussion since it’s shock damage?0 -
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✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »
Wrong. Any Shock can proc! WoE sets concussed enemies Off Balance.The concussion comes from the enchant, not the blockade itself. If you stuck a shock enchant on a frost staff, it would be similar.
If your group has more than one other Lightning Staff is redundant to slot anyway.
Ice staff has good synergies with the Warden Class. So there is at least one case with a definitive NO to your question.
And Wardens ARE the best tanks.
Yes, I confirmed that(any shock effect generating concussion/minor vulnerability), too, and had edited my previous post in this thread to reflect that.
A lightning staff with crusher trait/infused glyph has, assuming cumulative effects, a 19% chance of generating concussion with wall of elements while the shock glyph has a 20% chance on its own (combining them - wall of elements, lightning staff, shock glyph - with charged trait is what gives a calculated 98% uptime of concussion/minor vulnerability assuming they're additive, which I did not check). See patch notes.
As to wardens being the 'best' tank - controversial.
edit: Actually there's a clearer description here that shows it's multiplicative so actual chance is 84% with charged lightning staff with shock glyph.
Tired.
Edited by deleted221106-002999 on March 21, 2021 7:50AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »
Wrong. Any Shock can proc! WoE sets concussed enemies Off Balance.The concussion comes from the enchant, not the blockade itself. If you stuck a shock enchant on a frost staff, it would be similar.
If your group has more than one other Lightning Staff is redundant to slot anyway.
Ice staff has good synergies with the Warden Class. So there is at least one case with a definitive NO to your question.
And Wardens ARE the best tanks.
So you are saying that WoE can proc concussion since it’s shock damage?
Status effect from aoe dots have base 1% to proc...3 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »
Wrong. Any Shock can proc! WoE sets concussed enemies Off Balance.The concussion comes from the enchant, not the blockade itself. If you stuck a shock enchant on a frost staff, it would be similar.
If your group has more than one other Lightning Staff is redundant to slot anyway.
Ice staff has good synergies with the Warden Class. So there is at least one case with a definitive NO to your question.
And Wardens ARE the best tanks.
As someone else already noted, the chance to proc from AoE DoTs is very low--more than an order of magnitude lower than the proc chance from an enchant. Yes, it's not zero, but not really something worth considering.
Off-balance doesn't matter much either, since Exploiter no longer exists.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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✭✭✭Ice staff gives same block mitigation and block cost reduction on your backbar as your front bar
you proc brittle
It stacks with Bulwark CP for extra 1900 armor
I'm not giving that up, nope sorry.
Healer or Mag DD can proc lightning wall.5 -
OneWingedAnge7✭✭✭My friend who tanks is currently using an ice staff, we figured that was better suited than lightning staff.
I was actually thinking about using a vMA shock staff on my stamsorc in place of a vMA bow. Just to see if the group would benefit from it more than I would lose out, if that makes sense.
Any thoughts would be great, or are shock staffs completely out of the picture now?0 -
ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭I've ditched Ebon Armory set (still seeing way too many using this trash set), and am running Noble's Conquest with Frost staff (infused crusher). All problems solved. 100% uptime of minor vulnerability without much effort, and you get a good heal over time.
Noble's Conquest is a great set if you don't have access to trial sets yet. Especially for PUG and 'unoptimized' groups.1 -
woe✭✭✭✭Grandchamp1989 wrote: »Ice staff gives same block mitigation and block cost reduction on your backbar as your front bar
you proc brittle
It stacks with Bulwark CP for extra 1900 armor
I'm not giving that up, nope sorry.
Healer or Mag DD can proc lightning wall.
You get block mitigation from using a shield too and if you're running around with a staff out that much to depend on something when you quickswap bars, idk you're doing it wrong?uwu0 -
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.Edited by Kalik_Gold on March 22, 2021 7:30AMMain: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade (Bomber)
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight (Damage)
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar (Healer)
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Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade (Thief)
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »
Wrong. Any Shock can proc! WoE sets concussed enemies Off Balance.The concussion comes from the enchant, not the blockade itself. If you stuck a shock enchant on a frost staff, it would be similar.
If your group has more than one other Lightning Staff is redundant to slot anyway.
Ice staff has good synergies with the Warden Class. So there is at least one case with a definitive NO to your question.
And Wardens ARE the best tanks.
As someone else already noted, the chance to proc from AoE DoTs is very low--more than an order of magnitude lower than the proc chance from an enchant. Yes, it's not zero, but not really something worth considering.
Off-balance doesn't matter much either, since Exploiter no longer exists.
Yes, AOE dot only have 1% chance, enchants have 20% chance to proc the status effect.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭On tank I use 2 swords and shields for tank purpose or sword and shield and 2 handed - for "AAAAAAA kill them ALL, mode, kill this trash already you DD with 5k DPS".
I do not like when tanks use Ice stuff ehen i go DD, because in dunguans in patch before this their frost wall make my PC lulag for 1-2 seconds and attacks that I easely can dodge can kill me because of it.
Wall of lightning is Healers task, in dunguans a lot of DD can get the same effects.
For me this effects are not nesessary, it is more comfortable to buff it myself when I as DD need it.1 -
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Thanks!!
What have been your go to sets for 4man content now that ebon has phased out.
Yolna/olo? Yolna/powerful assault?
Personally, I like Yol/SPC combo. Use energy orb to produce SPC and give resources and a little healing to teammates.
For the question I guess I am in the inertia group as I still use a lightning staff over ice. Been meaning to change just haven’t. The heavy attacks are easier to perform on a lightning staff, so I haven’t been in no hurry to change.
Stay safe and enjoy the journey 😊
PS. ZOS stop the micromanagement of the green tree 🥺
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✭Frosty stick shields is appealing.
From Which Wall of Element Glyph is the most beneficial for the Healer to use?TheUndeadAmulet wrote: »A simple shock enchant on top of a charged lightning staff gives an effective uptime of 100% for minor vulnerability (target takes 5% more damage)
So, yes, minor vulnerability.
Also, lightning staff effects are prettier.
edit: clarification: tank usually would go with infused/crusher so less uptime with minor vulnerability.
Also more resources from lighting staff via off balance. Also off balance increases heavy attack damage1 -
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✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »
Wrong. Any Shock can proc! WoE sets concussed enemies Off Balance.The concussion comes from the enchant, not the blockade itself. If you stuck a shock enchant on a frost staff, it would be similar.
If your group has more than one other Lightning Staff is redundant to slot anyway.
Ice staff has good synergies with the Warden Class. So there is at least one case with a definitive NO to your question.
And Wardens ARE the best tanks.
As someone else already noted, the chance to proc from AoE DoTs is very low--more than an order of magnitude lower than the proc chance from an enchant. Yes, it's not zero, but not really something worth considering.
Off-balance doesn't matter much either, since Exploiter no longer exists.
Yes but it adds up with other multipliers too. Destro staff alone has 200 increase chance was it for it0 -
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✭Frost just makes more sense in the end on tanks but still 🤮 my immersion doesn't agree with tanks using staffs.
Most healers will have lighting anywaysEdited by Starlight_Whisper on March 22, 2021 8:43AM2 -
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✭✭✭Grandchamp1989 wrote: »Ice staff gives same block mitigation and block cost reduction on your backbar as your front bar
you proc brittle
It stacks with Bulwark CP for extra 1900 armor
I'm not giving that up, nope sorry.
Healer or Mag DD can proc lightning wall.
You get block mitigation from using a shield too and if you're running around with a staff out that much to depend on something when you quickswap bars, idk you're doing it wrong?
I have Tanked pretty much all content in the game in hardmode so not sure I'm doing it wrong.
There's a lot of stuff you need to be on your backbar for. Take DK for example you apply CC, Stagger, Wall of Elements, igneus shield, Alter etc. A good tank will keep his uptimes up.
If you pretty much one-bar content I would assume your uptime are not very good?
I also chain adds in and CC on my backbar. Sometimes you have to chain stuff in while holding a boss or a elite adds that one-shot you. Blocking on your backbar is much safer in those situations than to barswap, since that drops your block.
The way I see it lightning staff is just an inferior tool - a relic from a previous patch where Tanks who ran 3dd runs had to use the lightning staff, in certain group setups, to proc the exploiter perk. Thank the heaven's that is gone. I can't stand using gear other people can't be bothered with to begin with, so for me this is fine.Edited by Grandchamp1989 on March 22, 2021 10:28AM1 -
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✭✭✭I've ditched Ebon Armory set (still seeing way too many using this trash set), and am running Noble's Conquest with Frost staff (infused crusher). All problems solved. 100% uptime of minor vulnerability without much effort, and you get a good heal over time.
Noble's Conquest is a great set if you don't have access to trial sets yet. Especially for PUG and 'unoptimized' groups.
Interesting set! Hadn't really considered this set...0 -
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Thanks!!
What have been your go to sets for 4man content now that ebon has phased out.
Yolna/olo? Yolna/powerful assault?
Haven't touched Ebon Armory in a long time.
My go-to combination for small group content (esp. daily randoms) right now is actually Yolnahkriin + Battalion Defender + Earthgore (or Master 1H/Shield or Tremorscale). You're still getting one of the best raid sets combined with all its bonuses, but you're also providing lots of extra healing (or penetration) to your group in case you've got a potato (or fake) healer with you.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Magdens can provide guaranteed Minor Vulnerability from a class DoT. Does anybody care about that in practice?0 -
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✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »Magdens can provide guaranteed Minor Vulnerability from a class DoT. Does anybody care about that in practice?
NB tank/dd/healer can cast guaranteed minor vuln aswell from teleport strike and its morphs.
Necro can too through Agony Totem
It's not exactly a rare status effect2 -
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✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »Magdens can provide guaranteed Minor Vulnerability from a class DoT. Does anybody care about that in practice?
In Veteran Pugs I have noticed, that with one or two Mag Users the uptime of Minor Vulnerability is nearing that of me casting Flies on my Warden. So no need to cast it. It is redundant and does not so much damage as to slot it anyways.
Besides that kind of debuff is usually not high on my prio list as a tank. I still think Ebon is better for PuGs, because of the smaller mitigation now in U29. 1k Health can make the difference between do or die, for those potatoes...😁No Effort, No Reward?
No Reward, No Effort!1 -
linuxlady✭✭✭✭With thaumaturge changed and no longer having exploiter passive causing 10% dmg to off balanced enemies.
Are tanks still using lightning staff for concussion and minor vulnerability?
Are lightning staves useless in general now?
I know Ice staves are better for survivability and tanking, but I have no issue surviving.
why not use one of each and go magicka based tank?0 -
MoreTune✭✭✭✭With thaumaturge changed and no longer having exploiter passive causing 10% dmg to off balanced enemies.
Are tanks still using lightning staff for concussion and minor vulnerability?
Are lightning staves useless in general now?
I know Ice staves are better for survivability and tanking, but I have no issue surviving.
why not use one of each and go magicka based tank?
Everyone has brought up good points. As a DK tank, I don’t really have any issue with survivability even in pugs running yolo/powerful assault.
Only issue is if I don’t get a healer with orbs or shards makes sustain hard as casting vigor every 10 seconds to buff the group can drain stamina.
That being said. There seems to be no benefit to using lightning staff anymore. There is upside, however, for Frost staff as you get shields and block mitigation. I chain adds on back bar. Guess I can use the extra shield.
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✭✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »FrancisCrawford wrote: »Magdens can provide guaranteed Minor Vulnerability from a class DoT. Does anybody care about that in practice?
In Veteran Pugs I have noticed, that with one or two Mag Users the uptime of Minor Vulnerability is nearing that of me casting Flies on my Warden. So no need to cast it. It is redundant and does not so much damage as to slot it anyways.
Besides that kind of debuff is usually not high on my prio list as a tank. I still think Ebon is better for PuGs, because of the smaller mitigation now in U29. 1k Health can make the difference between do or die, for those potatoes...😁
I was actually thinking of the skill on a healer or DD.1
